NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

[jjenny]

-I don’t think he had daily ongoing interaction/relationships with law abiding citizens for quite some time. He clearly avoided that across the board. IMO, Marilou was an exception-a citizen who was easy for him to manage. Her temperament, citizenship etc.

Its highly possible the woman who he was seen with is not legal. He was smart enough to find the right profile who would not be problematic for him, before and after the event...dead or alive. His experience with IRS-FBI-POSTAL (government) provided substantial knowledge and opportunity to him for selecting his prey. Willing and Desperate’ come to mind in deciding to interact with him. How was she to know he was making plans. He is strolling the casino just like many others. And now, shes basically trapped-she can’t go to LE (if this is the case). If she is suspect (illegal) i’m sure FBI, LE are hunting for her. Is there additional footage of them that we haven’t seen??

It sounds to me like LE already knows who the woman seen with the suspect is. Apparently she is a prostitute.
http://abc7.com/las-vegas-gunman-seen-with-prostitute-days-before-attack/2500795/

 

[Gooddeeds]

You never left your room? Are they a five star?

Since I was a chambermaid years ago, I am creeped out by hotels even though I stay in them. Maybe it’s just me, but no one knows what kind of person is staying in a room.

I was at $$$$$$ cleaning. Someone had puked in the sink and did mot bother cleaning it up. I know other girls had puke on the bed.

Where I live now, there was a rich old American who had his 16 year old prostitute. She puked all over anf threw something at the TV. They were escorted out . He had to pay $3000 in damages. Quite the talk around town.

Remember the dead body that was found under a bed in some hotel in Vegas a few years ago?

I wonder if hotels everywhere are going to add security measures?

-Agreed! Privacy is privacy from all. I don’t like the idea of using the vacuum that was just used in many other rooms. This applies to every elite, 5 star, etc. Ive looked under too many beds. Most beds now though don’t have any under clearance, that helps some.

 

[Audrey Horne]

No thanks. Snopes lies all the time.

Link?

 

[bluesneakers]

OT: Y'all are going to make me too freaked out to ever stay at another hotel. I guess it's a good thing I have a nice tent and sleeping bag.

 

[ohreally]

However, he didn't pull the trigger in any of the other cities. Just Vegas.

I don't think he really planned to kill anyone in those other cities. He and his gf went o a lot of concerts and shows over the years. Just because he booked a hotel overlooking a concert it does not mean he planned to kill everyone there. There are a lot of pictures on her FB of concerts and shows they attended.

I think he was resentful of Vegas, specifically. Vegas was where his father was arrested, twice. And vegas was where he was injured, and he was denied by the courts. I think he was very angry.

I wonder if it could be the opposite. I think Vegas was his comfort zone. I think it's possible that he checked out the Chicago festival booked the room and the started the planning and did not have the confidence that his evil deed would work.
IMO Vegas was more home to him then any of his houses. It seems to me that Vegas always drew him back. Would he keep returning if he hated the place? I don't know if we will ever know the why .

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

O/T

MSM proof, please.

No thanks. Snopes lies all the time.

 

[bears10]

You never left your room? Are they a five star?

Since I was a chambermaid years ago, I am creeped out by hotels even though I stay in them. Maybe it’s just me, but no one knows what kind of person is staying in a room.

I was at $$$$$$ cleaning. Someone had puked in the sink and did mot bother cleaning it up. I know other girls had puke on the bed.

Where I live now, there was a rich old American who had his 16 year old prostitute. She puked all over anf threw something at the TV. They were escorted out . He had to pay $3000 in damages. Quite the talk around town.

Remember the dead body that was found under a bed in some hotel in Vegas a few years ago?

I wonder if hotels everywhere are going to add security measures?

No, we never left, we got married in our hotel room. Of course we left. Besides the wedding, we also gamble a lot. Idk the “star” designation, but bellagio is a high end resort.

I can’t recall being at an AC or LV resort that had an accessible underneath the bed area. I get worried about leaving something behind so i always check, and it’s always a platform bed.

 

[Gardenista]

One family’s path through horror of shooting on Las Vegas Strip

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local...hrough-horror-of-shooting-on-las-vegas-strip/

 

[m00c0w]

Nice pic from ammoland. Unfortunately, it's pretty clear you're taking these posts very personally and that you entirely misunderstood my point. I said that 25 years ago SP was a grown-arse man. This isn't about you — apologies if that wasn't clear in my posts.

I think what is frustrating is that you’re assigning significance to something that a lot of others were doing at the time, too, and was probably considered justifiable given the situation.

If he was out waving a gun around on another day, threatening to shoot people, that would be one thing. However, there was a real threat at that point, and the folks on their roofs with rifles during the LA riots are an oft-used example of firearms being used to deter criminal activity in a mass chaos type scenario.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

The people on their roofs were not in grade school. They were grown ups, protecting their property from arson and looting.

As many as 2,383 people were reported injured.[32] Estimates of the material losses vary between about $800 million and $1 billion.[33] Approximately 3,600 fires were set, destroying 1,100 buildings, with fire calls coming once every minute at some points. Widespread looting also occurred. Stores owned by Koreans and other Asian ethnicities were widely targeted.[34]

Widespread looting, assault, arson, and killings occurred during the riots, and estimates of property damage were over $1 billion. Order was only restored after members of the California Army National Guard, the 7th Infantry Division, and the 1st Marine Division were called in to stop the rioting when local police could not control the situation. In total, 63 people were killed during the riots, 2,383 people were injured, and more than 12,000 were arrested.

I don't believe that someone who used a firearm to protect their families and property during a riot makes them more likely to commit mass murder decades later. JMO

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Nope. Not assigning significance to it. Just not ignoring it. It feels like I've said that a half-dozen times now in a half-dozen ways.

I think what is frustrating is that you’re assigning significance to something that a lot of others were doing at the time, too, and was probably considered justifiable given the situation.

If he was out waving a gun around on another day, threatening to shoot people, that would be one thing. However, there was a real threat at that point, and the folks on their roofs with rifles during the LA riots are an oft-used example of firearms being used to deter criminal activity in a mass chaos type scenario.

 

[m00c0w]

Nope. Not assigning significance to it. Just not ignoring it. It feels like I've said that a half-dozen times now in a half-dozen ways.

You said:

We're theorizing about SP. Personally, I think it's an event with a firearm, in any event, and with his trajectory regarding firearm collection and use, I think it has weight outside of the LA Riot itself.​

That is literally assigning significance to it.

 

[bluesneakers]

Nope. Not assigning significance to it. Just not ignoring it. It feels like I've said that a half-dozen times now in a half-dozen ways.

Everything that happened in his life made him who he was, and led up to what he did. It's impossible for us to know what was most significant, I think, but they are all pieces to the puzzle. And fwiw I didn't get the impression you were drawing a direct line from that event to what happened in Las Vegas.

I can see how doing something like that could get into his head though.

 

[m00c0w]

You're still misrepresenting my posts. Your last post argued something I never said. I'm done, katy. This isn't about you.

“Someone” wasn’t you. It was human, where this discussion originated, claiming he went up there to mow people down.

 

[bluesneakers]

You said:

We're theorizing about SP. Personally, I think it's an event with a firearm, in any event, and with his trajectory regarding firearm collection and use, I think it has weight outside of the LA Riot itself.​

That is literally assigning significance to it.

You would rather ignore it, like it meant nothing? How can we know?

 

[katydid23]

Nope. Not assigning significance to it. Just not ignoring it. It feels like I've said that a half-dozen times now in a half-dozen ways.

Others were assigning great significance to it, which is why I replied.

And I replied, using my personal experience of the time and place, which made you say I was making it all about me...:doh:

 

[katydid23]

You would rather ignore it, like it meant nothing? How can we know?

We can know what it meant by assessing the situation and circumstances.

Was it something other people were doing? Was there a rational reason to believe one might need to defend one's property with a weapon?

YES and YES.

 

[m00c0w]

You would rather ignore it, like it meant nothing? How can we know?

Like I said, the fact there was a large-scale riot, with him not having committed a significant crime at that point or for the next couple of decades, mitigates it pretty well. Not everything that comes up is relevant, and some items just distract from the main issue.

 

[katydid23]

You're still misrepresenting my posts. Your last post argued something I never said. I'm done, katy. This isn't about you.

I NEVER said you made that statement. My posts were in reply to 2 others, who made statements about what he was doing. Saying he went up there to mow people down or to be suicidal .

I never said you said those things.

 

[jjenny]

Like I said, the fact there was a large-scale riot, with him not having committed a significant crime at that point or for the next couple of decades, mitigates it pretty well. Not everything that comes up is relevant, and some items just distract from the main issue.

His life ended with him committing a very significant crime.