NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

[CARIIS]

And what was he drilling? Holes for cameras? Cables?

not only drill but a bunch of tools !!

 

[Gooddeeds]

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Lombardo had said earlier in the week that it’s “amazing” Campos survived, adding he believes Paddock stopped firing because he saw Campos approaching and “was in fear he was about to be breached”

He went up there to investigate the open door and as he was doing his job diligently, he came under fire by our suspect. As you know, he was struck in the leg, turned around and retreated, notified his dispatch — which was absolutely critical to us knowing the location as well as advising the responding officers as they arrived on that 32nd floor.

 

[Gooddeeds]

I can't picture hiding and not either using a walkie or a phone to call for help. If that was the case, it would have been part of the story, but so far it's been the police first ran into him when they came up on the floor.

-In the LAtimes article it cites he had radioed in....from his own radio.

 

[CARIIS]

Oh brother again

http://heavy.com/news/2017/10/jesus...ing-mandalay-bay-shot-stephen-paddock-photos/

here again the presser

at the very end the guy says if you know something that may have happened in months or years earlier let us know

wth does that mean???

can't get any more MSM than out of the cops mouth!!

Houston we do -indeed- have a problem !!

 

[TXNurse77]

All this crazy info changes and LE wont talk again until Fri?

RSBM... maybe because they want to gather the evidence and analyze information before they speak publicly… They are dealing with a huge crime scene and many witnesses who left the area and maybe giving more information…. IMO, anything that comes out in the first couple days of a tragic event like this is subject to change.


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[CARIIS]

Boy!

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas certainly takes on a whole new meaning now doesn't it!!

Thats funny!

HA!

 

[kiddynamitephilly]

Feel like msm is really giving the lvpd a pass here. Do you think they have told msm hey we need you guys to back off? We know this looks bad but give us some time? On face this is the biggest news to come out of the aftermath

 

[kiddynamitephilly]

How did they allow the 60 mins interviews? Wild!!

 

[CARIIS]

That is so sweet of you. i love reading all of the thoughts and posts and ways that different people relate to this. I am going to work on getting verified so until then, just all my humble opinion. But thank you for your thoughts. :blushing:

I too am enjoying your posts!!

We also now have another problem what on earth with this new revelation was the sheriff talking about as it relates to 200 shots?? Thro the door that looked like it had 12>?

One would think after a week an image of a totally destroyed shot up hallway of a major hotel in LV might have surfaced!

 

[CARIIS]

-we need these answers. Anyone have a clue at this point?

nope!

 

[kittythehare]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/invest...ine-in-las-vegas-shooting-1507598826?mod=e2tw
[FONT=&quot]The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department last week said that security guard Jesus Campos was responding to an open-door alarm on [/FONT]Stephen Paddock[FONT=&quot]’s floor as the shooting was under way at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, and speculated that the encounter was what caused Paddock to stop shooting.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]The change to the timeline leaves it unclear why Paddock stopped shooting, and investigators didn’t comment on the matter. They had earlier said he fired on the crowd for nine to 11 minutes.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]“Yes, I am frustrated” at the speed of the investigation, the sheriff said, adding that Paddock was good at concealing his actions, making it “difficult for us to find the answers.”

I wonder what he was referring to in final paragraph above??[/FONT]

 

[Gooddeeds]

Oh brother again

http://heavy.com/news/2017/10/jesus...ing-mandalay-bay-shot-stephen-paddock-photos/

here again the presser

at the very end the guy says if you know something that may have happened in months or years earlier let us know

wth does that mean???

can't get any more MSM than out of the cops mouth!!

Houston we do -indeed- have a problem !!

https://hotair.com/archives/2017/10/09/police-revise-timeline-vegas-shooting/amp/

-Snipped:

So two issues here. First, police don’t know why Paddock stopped firing. Second, the hotel apparently didn’t notify police immediately that one of their security guards had been shot. According to the timeline given previously, police initially went to the 31st floor as the shooting was still taking place. They then went to the floor above and encountered Campos. By that point, the shooting had stopped and police took another full hour to breach the room. Here’s the previous timeline published by the LA Times:

 

[Ambitioned]

I wonder what he was referring to in final paragraph above??

Perhaps the clues are there and they need to think like Holmes. "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?"

 

[CARIIS]

This is a third of a month in.

This is not like waiting for lab results

This is a basic and simple and concrete and finite fact.

A basic one.

The notion that the security guard that is I shall guess is home recuperating and has not heard that the entire sequence of events is off makes no sense.

Would you not call someone and clear it up the minute you heard that what was being reported was not what you experienced?

The guard was there - how could he not know the sequence was wrong??

 

[rsd1200]

Any mental health professional would also tell you it’s a fool’s errand to try and diagnose anything from a handful of vague and contradictory third-person accounts.

This is true, but, unfortunately we don't have any interviews with SP, not even medical records. There is a common thread among all of those who have spoken with the media though, from family, right on down to the hookers who spent time with him.

Based on the accounts of those who knew, and spent time with him, I see a man who was addicted to gambling, who did not wish to engage with others unless it benefited him, who was unsociable (MD's sisters and his neighbors agree), and he was also described as having a strong sense of superiority (as a former casino executive described him) and had the very unfortunate possibility of inheriting some of his father's mental health traits.

Even in death, Mr. Paddock seemed to stay true to his ways. He remained in control, answerable to no one but himself. He was ensconced in a carpeted hotel suite. He was wearing gloves, as he often did to protect his sensitive skin. He shot himself before the police broke into his room.

His brother, EP, stated that, “If Steve decided it was time for Steve to go, Steve got up and left, He did what he wanted to do when he wanted to do it.”

On Friday, a law enforcement official said Mr. Paddock’s girlfriend, Marilou Danley, told investigators that he seemed to be deteriorating in recent months both mentally and physically.

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Gambling made him feel important, if not social. “You could tell that being in that high-limit gambling environment would lift him up,’’ said Mr. Weinreich, the Atlantis casino host in Reno. “He liked everyone doting on him.”​

​

His father, in a 1969 newspaper story was described as a “glib, smooth talking ‘confidence man,’ who is egotistic and arrogant.” His father was diagnosed as being psychopathic, with possible suicidal tendencies.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/07/us/stephen-paddock-vegas.html
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We may not be able to diagnose him for certain, but I think, anyone who has dealt with/lived with folks who have personality disorders, and other diagnosis(es), might could get a feel for what this guy may have been suffering from, just by reading/listening to the interviews of those who were around him, and knew him.

His gambling addiction did not help matters either, as it would have exacerbated any mental health issues. I do not see him as mentally insane though. No matter of he would have been diagnosed the same as his father, like his father, none of it forgives what he has done. I would bet a dime to a donut, that he knew very well, that what he was doing was horrifically wrong.

“The insidiousness of gambling addiction is different than drugs or alcohol because in the beginning, it doesn’t affect the body with disease like cirrhosis or esophageal issues or overdosing,” said Musilek, who has been a gambling addiction counselor at Harbor Hall for more than 15 years. “But as time goes on, if you have enough stress on the brain and there’s no serotonin left — and it’s difficult to re-create that — so many people become extremely depressed, numb, irritable, or erratic.

It’s also a drug-free addiction, but despite there is no external chemical at work on the brain, the neurological and physiological reactions to the stimulus are similar to those of drug or alcohol addicts.

Many addicts... claim they experience a high resembling that produced by a powerful drug.


https://www.petoskeynews.com/featur...cle_b0762078-eec8-11e6-8ef3-97119df16eb9.html

Just a note on the wearing of gloves due to sensitive skin issues, I wonder if that's truly the reason he wore them, or could it also be germaphobe related (money is very dirty), or has he had reason to ensure his prints were covered over the years. Just curious.

 

[jjenny]

https://hotair.com/archives/2017/10/09/police-revise-timeline-vegas-shooting/amp/

-Snipped:

So two issues here. First, police don’t know why Paddock stopped firing. Second, the hotel apparently didn’t notify police immediately that one of their security guards had been shot. According to the timeline given previously, police initially went to the 31st floor as the shooting was still taking place. They then went to the floor above and encountered Campos. By that point, the shooting had stopped and police took another full hour to breach the room. Here’s the previous timeline published by the LA Times:

Yea, it's all very strange. New timeline indicates security guard was shot 18 minutes before police finally made it to 32nd floor. What was he doing all this time and why didn't police know about it?

 

[mpnola]

This is a third of a month in.

This is not like waiting for lab results

This is a basic and simple and concrete and finite fact.

A basic one.

The notion that the security guard that is I shall guess is home recuperating and has not heard that the entire sequence of events is off makes no sense.

Would you not call someone and clear it up the minute you heard that what was being reported was not what you experienced?

The guard was there - how could he not know the sequence was wrong??

Aren't we just at the 1 week mark?? Y'all must follow some fast cases. I have never seen all the details given in 100% accuracy and fact in a week. Especially a big case that doesn't have a clear motive.

EDIT---- but I agree that if anything was misreported, what the security guard did in relation to reporting that it was incorrect will be telling.

Also, my thought of the gloves now is wondering if the security gueard was involved, maybe it was to ensure there were no prints on the weapons- it would be assumed it was cause it was SP wearing gloves.

 

[Ambitioned]

The guard was there - how could he not know the sequence was wrong??

Good question. Maybe they told him to keep his mouth shut for reasons unknown to us.

 

[CARIIS]

The point I was making was that we don't know enough to label him addicted to gambling. IMO.
I looked up the DSM-5 Diagnostic Criteria for Gambling Disorder. He needs four of the nine. I don't think with what we know we can put a check next to even one of the criteria. https://www.problemgambling.ca/EN/ResourcesForProfessionals/Pages/DSM5CriteriaGamblingDisorder.aspx
Everything I have read says he did not have money problems.

But........................................ in his testimony ( I tried to find the whole thing --79 pages- that would be amazing to read how he talks and processes the world around him !)

he also reports that he has on occasion gambled a million dollars in one sitting ..........................

 

[Spice]

This is true, but, unfortunately we don't have any interviews with SP, not even medical records. There is a common thread among all of those who have spoken with the media though, from family, right on down to the hookers who spent time with him.

Based on the accounts of those who knew, and spent time with him, I see a man who was addicted to gambling, who did not wish to engage with others unless it benefited him, who was unsociable (MD's sisters and his neighbors agree), and he was also described as having a strong sense of superiority (as a former casino executive described him) and had the very unfortunate possibility of inheriting some of his father's mental health traits.

Even in death, Mr. Paddock seemed to stay true to his ways. He remained in control, answerable to no one but himself. He was ensconced in a carpeted hotel suite. He was wearing gloves, as he often did to protect his sensitive skin. He shot himself before the police broke into his room.

His brother, EP, stated that, “If Steve decided it was time for Steve to go, Steve got up and left, He did what he wanted to do when he wanted to do it.”

On Friday, a law enforcement official said Mr. Paddock’s girlfriend, Marilou Danley, told investigators that he seemed to be deteriorating in recent months both mentally and physically.​

Gambling made him feel important, if not social. “You could tell that being in that high-limit gambling environment would lift him up,’’ said Mr. Weinreich, the Atlantis casino host in Reno. “He liked everyone doting on him.”​

​

His father, a 1969 newspaper story was described as a “glib, smooth talking ‘confidence man,’ who is egotistic and arrogant.” His father was diagnosed as being psychopathic, with possible suicidal tendencies.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/07/us/stephen-paddock-vegas.html
​

We may not be able to diagnose him for certain, but I think, anyone who has dealt with/lived with folks who have personality disorders, and other diagnosis(es), might could get a feel for what this guy may have been suffering from, just by reading/listening to the interviews of those who were around him, and knew him.

His gambling addiction did not help matters either, as it would have exacerbated any mental health issues. I do not see him as mentally insane though. No matter of he would have been diagnosed the same as his father, like his father, none of it forgives what he has done. I would bet a dime to a donut, that he knew very well, that what he was doing was horrifically wrong.





Just a note on the wearing of gloves due to sensitive skin issues, I wonder if that's truly the reason he wore them, or could it also be germaphobe related (money is very dirty), or has he had reason to ensure his prints were covered over the years. Just curious.

Thank you for this amazing, perfect, and informed post...

I agree with every word.