NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #6

[m00c0w]

The alt/right reporter who has been stalking him and the sheriff worked for him. She trained with him and is a supporter.

So he has nothing to do with this? I think it’s a logical fallacy to point to someone’s behavior and then attempt to make a point about a different person that wasn’t involved in that behavior. Nor is the first person involved in the present...

 

[Sillybilly]

I agree tht there can be different sounds coming from different guns. We also know that he had up to 10 guns and shooting out two different windows.
My concern is that people are popping up in youtube giving thier take on the sounds. How do we verify the real ones from the fakes that may be out there with thier own Agenda? How can we verify that they are not manipulating the sounds?

We can't verify anything that comes from a youtube video or random blogs. That is why we insist on sticking with MSM or LE or experts in the field so we can verify the source of the information.

 

[Gooddeeds]

Let's try addressing this tidbit from the previous thread again:



Can you please link to where I have stated or tried to imply that MGM fired him? I was simply pointing out that your accounting of events was extremely at odds with what actually happened.

What you posted was:

No, MGM was "helping" him. Union guys were sent out of the room and MGM took him away. They're the ones who made him vanish.​

The citation you posted to back up this account said:

On Thursday at about 1 p.m., Hickey said he and the union’s local president took a meeting with MGM officials in the bedroom, while Campos, the other union member and a security guard hired by MGM to protect Campos waited in the living room.

At 2 p.m., when Hickey emerged from the meeting, he said Campos and the other people were gone.

Hickey said he called and texted the other union member. The only response he received is that Campos was being taken to a Quick Care health clinic.​

What I am pointing out, and rightly so, is that you unequivocally claimed that MGM was responsible for his disappearance while union reps were sent out of the room. The actuality is that MGM wasn't in the room with him, only a union rep and a security guard, when he disappeared. Union guys weren't "sent out of the room", and MGM didn't "[take] him away." Pointing out this discrepancy is not claiming he's been fired in any way, nor is it trying to claim that the union is up to something nefarious. It's simply correcting the incorrect information being spread.

-m00c0w, this is the original post that I first responded to you on. I hope this helps.

 

[WestieMom]

The Snopes article has only part of her post. (I thought Snopes.com was to verify if false but I don't see they have said that?). IMO the CT part is false. Anyway her entire post is in the link. She even talks about fireworks. But this is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. She was there. As were her friends who say the same thing. In fact the group was separated at one point then met up again and both groups have very similar accounts... (which is the answer to your question how is possible none were shot), there were 5 of them. They split into a group of 3 and 2. KS mentions about stepping over a body and feeling guilt. So it was all around her.
In fact, there is a victim who's wife died and he didn't. How was he so lucky? Same thing IMO.

The only thing I feel is disrespectful to the victims is again how people say, meh. They were panicked and full of terror.

None of these people have any creditability in people's eyes, and quite frankly some are pissed and I don't blame them..

If I continue to discuss this I'll end up banned because I'm utterly in disbelief how people are completely rude when it comes to these VICTIMS.

BTW. Victims are called on for many court cases. I would say they are a creditable source

And if you don't believe there are "tons of people", do your own research. CNN interviewed one. She seemed pretty calm at the time not panicked to me.

They are out there. Just because you choose not to believe any of them.

RIP KS.
MOO

I have a closing question open to anyone.

Since you don't believe the victims accounts who were there because they don't have a clue what they are taking about. Who exactly do you believe?

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[ATasteOfHoney]

There are many reasons casino hotels place surveillance cameras in hotel hallways & elevators; here's just one scenario:
think big "whale" who gets a bit tipsy while playing a bit of Baccarat....he wins & cashes out at the Cage flush now with $$$....yep, maybe the house did serve him too many free Jack & Cokes....time sure can get away from you in a casino with b no clocks or windows on the casino floor...

...enter the professional thief railbird.....who waits to take advantage....he looks for those gamblers who drop chips....he looks for those he could easily "roll"

He follows him in the elevator or the hotel hallway & robs him.

The casinos surveillance cameras are deterrents. They are evidence for prosecutions. They prevent lawsuits.

To think there weren't any at MB in the hallways & elevators is preposterous.

 

[Iona]

There are many reasons casino hotels place surveillance cameras in hotel hallways & elevators; here's just one scenario:
think big "whale" who gets a bit tipsy while playing a bit of Baccarat....he wins & cashes out at the Cageflush now with $$$....yep, maybe the house did serve him too many free Jack & Cokes....time sure can get away from you in a casino with b no clocks or windows on the casino floor...

...enter the professional thief railbird.....who waits to take advantage....he looks for those gamblers who drop chips....he looks for those he could easily "roll"

He follows him in the elevator or the hotel hallway & robs him.

The casinos surveillance cameras are deterrents. They are evidence for prosecutions. They prevent lawsuits.

To think there weren't any at MB in the hallways & elevators is preposterous.

Absolutely, and thank you! It would absolutely be a liability if they did not!

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[Gooddeeds]

Absolutely, and thank you! It would absolutely be a liability if they did not!

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-Without surveillance they would not exist.

 

[bears10]

I’ve posted the links about 5-6 Times now. As of 2013, 23 out of 27 casinos did not have cameras in their hotel hallways. While it might seem preposterous to y’all - that’s what it is, or at least was. Unless things have changed since 2013, it’s more likely than not that there are no cameras in the hallways.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.merc...ew-vegas-casinos-have-hotel-surveillance/amp/

 

[Gardenista]

If the witnesses verify that they were there, we should be able to post their testimonies. But that is just MO.

Yes, denying the horror their experience because it doesn'y match the narrative the corporate M$M wants to craft, seems really mean--like pouring salt in their wounds.

 

[HoneyWest]

There are many reasons casino hotels place surveillance cameras in hotel hallways & elevators; here's just one scenario:
think big "whale" who gets a bit tipsy while playing a bit of Baccarat....he wins & cashes out at the Cage flush now with $$$....yep, maybe the house did serve him too many free Jack & Cokes....time sure can get away from you in a casino with b no clocks or windows on the casino floor...

...enter the professional thief railbird.....who waits to take advantage....he looks for those gamblers who drop chips....he looks for those he could easily "roll"

He follows him in the elevator or the hotel hallway & robs him.

The casinos surveillance cameras are deterrents. They are evidence for prosecutions. They prevent lawsuits.

To think there weren't any at MB in the hallways & elevators is preposterous.

^^^Yes to all of this^^^

The only places in a casino/hotel that you can count on no cameras are inside public restrooms (but a surveillance camera will be covering the entrance) and the hotel rooms (most will have surveillance cameras covering the entrance to the rooms as well).

 

[HoneyWest]

I’ve posted the links about 5-6 Times now. As of 2013, 23 out of 27 casinos did not have cameras in their hotel hallways. While it might seem preposterous to y’all - that’s what it is, or at least was. Unless things have changed since 2013, it’s more likely than not that there are no cameras in the hallways.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.merc...ew-vegas-casinos-have-hotel-surveillance/amp/

This really surprises me and I do wonder if things have changed. My husband is in the casino industry (I was as well for awhile, doing internal audits) and all of our tribal casino/hotels are loaded with surveillance cameras, only private areas are bathrooms and hotel rooms. The best surveillance cameras are saved for the casino floor, though. The cameras in and around the casino are such that if you are in the surveillance room and someone is texting on their phone, you can read what they are texting, you can see every card on every table, etc.

 

[bears10]

This really surprises me and I do wonder if things have changed. My husband is in the casino industry (I was as well for awhile, doing internal audits) and all of our tribal casino/hotels are loaded with surveillance cameras, only private areas are bathrooms and hotel rooms. The best surveillance cameras are saved for the casino floor, though. The cameras in and around the casino are such that if you are in the surveillance room and someone is texting on their phone, you can read what they are texting, you can see every card on every table, etc.

I don’t think the abundancy and quality of casino floor cameras are being disputed. Also, IME, casinos on the res are not the same as Vegas or AC casinos. The comp system is very different and not as generous with room comps, so they have more incentive to look after their hallways. In Vegas and AC the real money maker is the casino. Hotel room comps are given away like it’s nothing bc if you’re staying in the hotel, you’re spending money, and hopefully lots of it. The asset to protect is the casino, instead of the hotel rooms. I’ve never noticed a camera in the hallway of any resort I’ve stayed at in Vegas or AC. JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

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[HoneyWest]

I don’t think the abundancy and quality of casino floor cameras are being disputed. Also, IME, casinos on the res are not the same as Vegas or AC casinos. The comp system is very different and not as generous with room comps, so they have more incentive to look after their hallways. In Vegas and AC the real money maker is the casino. Hotel room comps are given away like it’s nothing bc if you’re staying in the hotel, you’re spending money, and hopefully lots of it. The asset to protect is the casino, instead of the hotel rooms. I’ve never noticed a camera in the hallway of any resort I’ve stayed at in Vegas or AC. JMO

First of all, there is no "res" where I live. I assume you mean reservation. One of our casino/hotels is the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino. The surveillance cameras in the hotel hallways are not installed to protect the hotel rooms, they are there for security for guests. Same for the surveillance cameras outside and around the hotels and casinos...for the guest's protection. The resorts all have huge Player's Clubs which track what and how much $$ the guests are playing, as well as what their preferred comps are. Rooms as comped as well as food & beverage, free game play, etc. And yes, the bulk of our profits come from electronic games on the casino floors.

 

[Elley Mae]

Las Vegas guard Jesus Campos vanished after visiting urgent-care clinic, union leader says

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/1...ing-urgent-care-clinic-union-leader-says.html

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I can speak of AC surveillance knowledge first hand; without hallway hotel surveillance, you'd have homeless begging, prostitutes hanging around & drug dealings abound outside every hotel room.

Common sense....even if you didn't have firsthand, insider knowledge

 

[bears10]

I can speak of AC surveillance knowledge first hand; without hallway hotel surveillance, you'd have homeless begging, prostitutes hanging around & drug dealings abound outside every hotel room.

Common sense....even if you didn't have firsthand, insider knowledge

Not really, if you’re saying in the nicer resorts at least. Because they have security checking room keys at the elevators.

 

[ohreally]

Bear10 I have a question I am hoping you can answer for me. Years ago when we used to go to Vegas yearly the casinos wouldn't allow us to use or enquire about anyone's players card, even if it was our spouces. That rule still applies to where we gamble now. Even our casino host will not talk about my spousess card to me.
Has Vegas went lax on this rule? Does it matter what what level a person is at? I am trying to figure out how he could of used MD'S card for anything.

 

[bears10]

First of all, there is no "res" where I live. I assume you mean reservation. One of our casino/hotels is the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino. The surveillance cameras in the hotel hallways are not installed to protect the hotel rooms, they are there for security for guests. Same for the surveillance cameras outside and around the hotels and casinos...for the guest's protection. The resorts all have huge Player's Clubs which track what and how much $$ the guests are playing, as well as what their preferred comps are. Rooms as comped as well as food & beverage, free game play, etc. And yes, the bulk of our profits come from electronic games on the casino floors.

The res is a common term where I live and not offended. The people who live on the reservations, call the the res.

Anyway, you said tribal so why would I not think it was a reservation casino?

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Not really, if you’re saying in the nicer resorts at least. Because they have security checking room keys at the elevators.

I have never seen a Security Guard checking room keys at elevators. I've seen people come & go entering & exiting elevators at their leisure.

We can agree to disagree. That's fine.

I've spent way too many hours looking at casino surveillance tapes for one soul. Interesting that one MGM property admitted to using surveillance cameras in hotel hallways.....