NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #7

[Manterro]

-it was reported MSM, the details & info are on the thread somewhere. I inquired myself because I didn’t know how the firm could rightfully take that position. A poster informed that LV is a ‘right to work’ state. The report also stated that MB is paying the firm $1000 an hour. Its a high profile firm known for damage control.

MGM hires leading crisis management firm in wake of mass shooting

"Joele Frank has likely received an initial crisis fee in the hundreds of thousands of dollars and would bill MGM from $500 to $1,000 an hour ”for many, many hours,” said Ronn Torossian, chief executive officer of 5WPR, a renowned PR firm headquartered in New York."

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ss-shooting/&usg=AOvVaw3nMCmUb85_3H40RnnJ5MDl

 

[bears10]

MGM hires leading crisis management firm in wake of mass shooting

"Joele Frank has likely received an initial crisis fee in the hundreds of thousands of dollars and would bill MGM from $500 to $1,000 an hour ”for many, many hours,” said Ronn Torossian, chief executive officer of 5WPR, a renowned PR firm headquartered in New York."

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ss-shooting/&usg=AOvVaw3nMCmUb85_3H40RnnJ5MDl

Where does it say they issued a siezed silence for employees?

 

[Gooddeeds]

MGM hires leading crisis management firm in wake of mass shooting

"Joele Frank has likely received an initial crisis fee in the hundreds of thousands of dollars and would bill MGM from $500 to $1,000 an hour ”for many, many hours,” said Ronn Torossian, chief executive officer of 5WPR, a renowned PR firm headquartered in New York."

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ss-shooting/&usg=AOvVaw3nMCmUb85_3H40RnnJ5MDl

-Thank you Manterro.

 

[Gooddeeds]

Where does it say they issued a siezed silence for employees?

-If it isn’t in the article Manterro posted its in another one elsewhere, but its also in the thread.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

-If it isn’t in the article Manterro posted its in another one elsewhere, but its also in the thread.

I can't find anything when I Google that phrase.

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[CARIIS]

It is truly scary if this is all the people we pay are going to let the public know IMO

Following the money is pretty typical IMO in situations like this -the fact that there has been nothing described as it relates to his money mysteries imo indicate that for some reason that has to be kept out of the public domain forever -- the implications are - IMO enormous.


And scary

Have we seen anything like this anywhere:

or

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1......0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.75....0.FffHdybmfYs

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Has anyone seen a bullet scarred anything --the tarp over the stage?

One of the bright lights that came on illuminating the crowd getting shot out??




In addition, if we truly stake a step back and just ponder the reality that a stand up comedian is the only person that is going to talk with a witness to , hypothetically, the biggest mass murder spree in the united states of america , well, we are in some serious stuff............................................

IMO pathetic .......

or scenes like this -- check out the door and surrounding door areas. That is kind of what I visualized when they said 200 rounds .

 

[enelram]

Cariis, I agree w/ you.
IMO, We will NEVER know the real truth of how this tragedy happened or WHY.
I just wish we could understand the WHY. But I really don't hold much hope that the body and especially the brain was
handled and preserved properly for the type of analysis that needs to be done. MOO.
I also wish we could be privy to the "psychological autopsy" that FBI typically does in these cases.

 

[Cryptic]

Is it because they don’t want to appear callous for having JC walk around with a bullet in his thigh? Might that be a ‘negligent’ LIABILITY for MGM and LE? Im inclined to think it would.

There were hundreds of injured people and score of dead people in the immediate vicinity of that hotel. Most were not going to get immediate attention. That goes triple for those wounded but with non life threatning injuries (gun shot wound to the leg).

Triage protocols in mass casualty events demand that injured are triaged into three groups:
A: Life threatening injuries
B: Non life threatenining injuries
C: Those who are dead or whose injuries are so severe that they cannot be saved.

Immediate medical attention is focused on group "A", then group "C" (in case some can actually be saved), then group "B". Not attending to JC immediately was not "callous". Instead, it was in full accordance with mass casualty protocols. In short, the fact that JC did not receive immediate medical attention does not make MGM or the police negligent. Nor is it reasonable to expect that MGM would have a combat field medic on immediate standby. Even if they did, such a medic would be needed outside and not with JC.

 

[MistyWaters]

MGM hires leading crisis management firm in wake of mass shooting

"Joele Frank has likely received an initial crisis fee in the hundreds of thousands of dollars and would bill MGM from $500 to $1,000 an hour ”for many, many hours,” said Ronn Torossian, chief executive officer of 5WPR, a renowned PR firm headquartered in New York."

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ss-shooting/&usg=AOvVaw3nMCmUb85_3H40RnnJ5MDl

If a PR firm was hired, it appears the reason is more likely to rebrand their advertising as opposed to communications pertaining to the tragedy.

Comment below by MGM regarding lawsuits filed. BBM

"MGM has said it is cooperating with law enforcement in the investigation.

“We are grateful for all who came to the victims’ aid that evening, including our employees, first responders, the police and citizens who acted in countless ways to assist,” the company said, according to the Las Vegas Review-Journal. “Out of respect for the victims we are not going to try this case in the public domain and we will give our response through the appropriate legal channels.”
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/2...-says-as-authorities-remain-tight-lipped.html

 

[Cryptic]

I respectfully disagree

What do you disagree with? That my friend saw celebrities in service elevators at the resort she worked at in socal? Or, do you disagree that resorts may have differing definitions of "celebrity"?

 

[MistyWaters]

There were hundreds of injured people and score of dead people in the immediate vicinity of that hotel. Most were not going to get immediate attention. That goes triple for those wounded but with non life threatning injuries (gun shot wound to the leg).

Triage protocols in mass casualty events demand that injured are triaged into three groups:
A: Life threatening injuries
B: Non life threatenining injuries
C: Those who are dead or whose injuries are so severe that they cannot be saved.

Immediate medical attention is focused on group "A", then group "C" (in case some can actually be saved), then group "B". Not attending to JC immediately was not "callous". Instead, it was in full accordance with mass casualty protocols.

In short, the fact that JC did not receive immediate medical attention does not make MGM or the police negligent. Nor is it reasonable to expect that MGM would have a combat field medic on immediate standby. Even if they did, such a medic would be needed outside and not with JC as an ambulatory wounded.

Placing JC into category "B", then delaying medical treatment- or even given the totality of the circumstances, requesting that he walk or be carried to arriving ambulances not only makes sense, but could have saved another life.

Am I correct in my recollect the JC said when he called dispatch he didn't tell them he'd been shot in the leg because he wanted keep the phone lines open?

Rather than appearance of callousness or negligence of the part of MB or LE, that says to me JC placed high priority on safety of others, well before his own medical needs. Attributes of a hero....

 

[MistyWaters]

What do you disagree with? That my friend saw celebrities in service elevators at the resort she worked at in socal? Or, do you disagree that resorts may have differing definitions of "celebrity"?

Wouldn't celebrities be escorted by security guards while on hotel premises to keep fans away, etc? If so, that's a different scenario than allegations that SP had access to service elevators for employees while unaccompanied.

IRC correctly, this service elevator discussion began with the rumour that MB was an employee and SP had her employee pass card. At that point in time it also wasn't known that SP had been staying at MB ever since Sept 25th. So at that point in time the service elevator was a theory of how SP snuck a large amount of weaponry in.

Now we know of other information including luggage was used and the weapons could be disassembled, yet this service elevator trip still lingers.....

Why please, might someone explain the new theory behind why SP must've or would want to use an employee service elevator and why it's important, given prior reasonings have already been debunked.

 

[Cryptic]

Am I correct in my recollect the JC said when he called dispatch he didn't tell them he'd been shot in the leg because he wanted keep the phone lines open?

Rather than appearance of callousness or negligence of the part of MB or LE, that says to me JC placed high priority on safety of others, well before his own medical needs. Attributes of a hero....

Very good points. JC was not only heroic, but I don't see how MGM is at all negligent based on existing information.

 

[MistyWaters]

From CNN ---Exclusive: Vegas killer described his unusual habits in 2013 testimony
".....The details are contained in a 97-page court deposition obtained exclusively by CNN. Paddock was deposed October 29, 2013 as part of a civil lawsuit against the Cosmopolitan Hotel, where he slipped and fell on a walkway in 2011.

What otherwise would have been a mundane proceeding offers fresh details about Paddock's life and habits -- for the first time -- from the killer's own mouth. The document has been turned over to the FBI, according to sources.

---(snipped)---

Some of the testimony centered on his gambling.

He described himself as being, at one point, the "biggest video poker player in the world."

"How do I know that?" Paddock asked rhetorically. "Because I know some of the video poker players that play big. Nobody played as much and as long as I did."
At the height of his play in 2006, he testified, "I averaged 14 hours a day, 365 days a year."

"I'll gamble all night," he said. "I sleep during the day."
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/09/us/las-vegas-stephen-paddock-deposition/index.html

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I continue to wonder if this statement was a glimpse into SPs head. He appears to be boastful in his self-importance claims that he was at one time "the biggest video poker in the world", as if that's truly a significant accomplishment that everyone ought to be aware of. Ordinary people would of course go ppppfffftttttt.

Flash forward four years and he caused the worst massing shooting in modern US history.....

 

[PrairieWind]

Not sure if this has been posted as there are a lot of videos out there. But does this seem accurate...

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000005473328/las-vegas-shooting-timeline-12-bursts.html

I found this pretty interesting and helpful. Its not quite complete, but it is a decent attempt to string together video/audio of the complete shooting. It also supports (not quite confirms yet) something I was thinking, that the number of shots fired will actually be far fewer than originally estimated. Originally we were hearing things like 3,000-5,000 shots. This Times reports estimates around 900. I think it will be even less than that. Of course then we have the 200 rounds supposedly shot down the hallway, which I still think sounds like more than there should have been.

The Times video also indicates that the shooting started with several single shots fired that were possibly the ones taken at the fuel tanks. I think this is certainly likely. But it also shows that even from those first shots, people in the crowd at the concert were already concerned and many started for the exits already. Then the massacre began. Some of that cell phone video is really chilling.

 

[kittythehare]

-I think the only 2 employees who have publicly spoken are JC and SS. The private Crisis P-R firm hired by MGM for damage control issued a seized silence for all employees of MB.

The bell hop was interviewed somewhere...

 

[Cryptic]

Wouldn't celebrities be escorted by security guards while on hotel premises to keep fans away, etc?

Not so much at her resort.

The resort, though open to the public, is already pretty restricted in many areas regarding non paying guests. Also, the resort does not present itself as a likely place for crazed fans to catch a glimpse of the latest teen heart throb. In contrast, teen heart throb type celebrities may find it boring and not even stay there to begin with. So, less chances of fan mobs.

Here is a link to it. My friend no longer works there and it is well known: https://hoteldel.com/

She just related that she saw celebrities in service elevators and in employee corridors over the time she was there. She never described them as being escorted by hotel security. That does not mean it never happened. It could depend on the celebrity in question.

 

[kittythehare]

My friend just related that she saw numerous celebrities in service elevators and in employee corridors during the years she worked there (resort is famous and in socal). She never described them as being escorted by hotel security. That does not mean it never happened. It could depend on the celebrity in question.

I imagine that some of these celebrities at her resort were unaccompanied, some may of had their own escorts, and some may have even been accompanied by hotel security.

My bet is that most were unaccompanied. Not all celebrities are into the "entourages". Rather, my friend just described low key encounters with celebrities (employees could not actively acknowledge them whether they were at the front door or in a service elevator). Most seemed to have just wanted to discretely move around the resort with minimal attention. Of course, some may have needed security guards and others might have been into entourages and grand entrances.

I think much of the using of service elevators is about guests carrying personal valuable luggage which they do not intend to be parted from, even for a short trip.. Many art works and certain jewellery items is insured on condition the carer does not leave it unattended..
Art works frequently must be transported with a curator or two and cannot be left unattended at any point at all..

 

[bears10]

If a PR firm was hired, it appears the reason is more likely to rebrand their advertising as opposed to communications pertaining to the tragedy.

Comment below by MGM regarding lawsuits filed. BBM

"MGM has said it is cooperating with law enforcement in the investigation.

“We are grateful for all who came to the victims’ aid that evening, including our employees, first responders, the police and citizens who acted in countless ways to assist,” the company said, according to the Las Vegas Review-Journal. “Out of respect for the victims we are not going to try this case in the public domain and we will give our response through the appropriate legal channels.”
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/2...-says-as-authorities-remain-tight-lipped.html

There are press releases that go back to 2007 that list Joele Frank as the press relations contact for MGM, so IMO it is a little misleading for reports to say they just hired her firm. It appears as though they've had a business relationship for at least a decade, so I don't think it is anything remarkable for MGM to be a client of a PR firm.

 

[Cryptic]

I think much of the using of service elevators is about guests carrying personal valuable luggage which they do not intend to be parted from, even for a short trip.. Many art works and certain jewellery items is insured on condition the carer does not leave it unattended..
Art works frequently must be transported with a curator or two and cannot be left unattended at any point at all..

Good point. I have heard of such courier services and I wish I could say that I have needed to use them for my stuff. But.... that is not the case.

In the end, your point illustrates that what could be seen as being abnormal, can be not that unusual in Las Vegas where very wealthy people bring themselves and any number of things into casinos for any number of reasons.