NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #9

[kittythehare]

What I have found disturbing is the "random" accidental deaths of so many people who were at scene of the shooting. There are rumors among people in the loop in Las Vegas that if you know something about the event, keep your mouth shut. This may affect the investigation, because people who saw something, have decided to stay silent.

There have been a lot.
But without proof of a connection.. A DIRECT CONNECTION.. I'm not sure there is anything we can do with the information..

 

[kdg411]

Las Vegas Police snub Laura Ingraham

BY DOUG POPPA
JANUARY 18, 2018

Ingraham said they had made repeated requests to the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, to have one law enforcement representative update them on the air about the status of the investigation.

People have told me what do you want them to talk about, we know nothing except what the police and the FBI have said. Well that in and of itself speaks volumes because nothing about what we have been told from the start makes any sense.

Within hours of the massacre, the FBI and the LVMPD said Stephen Paddock was a lone gunman and he was not connected to any group, foreign or domestic and we should all feel safe. Amazing how fast they came up with that narrative. I would have felt a hell of a lot safer had they prevented the attack from occurring at all. And by the way, as I have said so many times, the massacre should never have happened.

Then this past Friday after federal search warrant affidavits were released we learned that days after the massacre the FBI did know that someone else assisted Paddock. His girlfriend Mary Lou Danley. She told the FBI that her fingerprints would be on the cartridges because she helped load magazines, but knew nothing of the attack.

I said very early on in some of the over forty articles I have authored for the Baltimore Post Examiner on the massacre that I didn’t believe that she knew nothing and regardless of what the FBI said in those affidavits, I believe she knew.

The Baltimore Post Examiner broke the story that the Homicide Division was pulled off the investigation and it was given to the Force Investigation Team (FIT) that normally investigates officer-involved shootings and use of force.

SBM much more at link above

 

[kittythehare]

Las Vegas Police snub Laura Ingraham

BY DOUG POPPA
JANUARY 18, 2018

Ingraham said they had made repeated requests to the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, to have one law enforcement representative update them on the air about the status of the investigation.

People have told me what do you want them to talk about, we know nothing except what the police and the FBI have said. Well that in and of itself speaks volumes because nothing about what we have been told from the start makes any sense.

Within hours of the massacre, the FBI and the LVMPD said Stephen Paddock was a lone gunman and he was not connected to any group, foreign or domestic and we should all feel safe. Amazing how fast they came up with that narrative. I would have felt a hell of a lot safer had they prevented the attack from occurring at all. And by the way, as I have said so many times, the massacre should never have happened.

Then this past Friday after federal search warrant affidavits were released we learned that days after the massacre the FBI did know that someone else assisted Paddock. His girlfriend Mary Lou Danley. She told the FBI that her fingerprints would be on the cartridges because she helped load magazines, but knew nothing of the attack.

I said very early on in some of the over forty articles I have authored for the Baltimore Post Examiner on the massacre that I didn’t believe that she knew nothing and regardless of what the FBI said in those affidavits, I believe she knew.

The Baltimore Post Examiner broke the story that the Homicide Division was pulled off the investigation and it was given to the Force Investigation Team (FIT) that normally investigates officer-involved shootings and use of force.

SBM much more at link above

he makes great points but fails to back them up with dates and times.. that is the point where we are all stuck, actually.
give us times, dates.. then we can work.. otherwise its just an opinion piece which will not progress this investigation 'cos we all have opinions, but we're short on facts.
'i believe' dont quite cut it at this stage of the game.
Specifically - this
Within hours of the massacre, the FBI and the LVMPD said Stephen Paddock was a lone gunman and he was not connected to any group, foreign or domestic and we should all feel safe. Amazing how fast they came up with that narrative.

How many hours and how exactly did they come up with this?
What dept of LE stated this? Were the terrorism police involved in this statement and to what extent.
4 months later we are informed that a phone remains unlocked.. wdf???

 

[MzOpinion8d]

I don't know.
If he was he would have had to be moving at the speed of light to shoot at tanks for several rounds, board up door and start firing at crowd and manage to shoot whoever approached his room at the same time...


My other big question is who actually shot Paddock of the alleged normal brain following sustaining a bullet or several via brain..

The PR campaign that immediately enveloped the incident strikes me as suspicious.. particularly the tv interview with the 'agents'... sorry dont have link for that at hand. worth a re listen though.

"Paddock of the Alleged Normal Brain" made me laugh. Sounds like a Game of Thrones name lol.

 

[neesaki]

so the hacker bought books from this site, does this mean the hacker used this site to get to your cards? I dunno I certainly would contact them and turn it over to the net crimes too

I did, thanks!

 

[Gooddeeds]

he makes great points but fails to back them up with dates and times.. that is the point where we are all stuck, actually.
give us times, dates.. then we can work.. otherwise its just an opinion piece which will not progress this investigation 'cos we all have opinions, but we're short on facts.
'i believe' dont quite cut it at this stage of the game.
Specifically - this
Within hours of the massacre, the FBI and the LVMPD said Stephen Paddock was a lone gunman and he was not connected to any group, foreign or domestic and we should all feel safe. Amazing how fast they came up with that narrative.

How many hours and how exactly did they come up with this?
What dept of LE stated this? Were the terrorism police involved in this statement and to what extent.
4 months later we are informed that a phone remains unlocked.. wdf???

We can go back to the reports of what you specified ‘especially this’ because that was claimed and mentioned more than once and boldly so. ‘Lone Gunman, group, terrorist, etc. In my opinion their issued statement carried an arrogance that made me question what was already being questioned...ten fold.

That claim was made before many things were ‘properly’ assessed. Was there a Terroist expert on hand, a Blackhawk security type team dispersed throughout the area and beyond to verify this? If so I think the established timeline would look very different, as well as many other things. Terroist or other possibles this was a whacko investigation crew with an agenda. In relation to Lombardo and the others who have stakes, this part of the Agenda is ongoing...

If Lombardos tag line ‘we still have no motive’ is to be credible, how then can you rule out terroist or anything....period? Is that why he wants the concerned public to forget about that??

My round about point is we can look at the time that ‘lone gunman’ was announced but we still have only ‘their accounting’ of it. And we know thats a joke. So it would be nice to get that phone unlocked, and anything else that has been held back (people and things).

 

[kdg411]

How many hours and how exactly did they come up with this?
What dept of LE stated this? Were the terrorism police involved in this statement and to what extent.
4 months later we are informed that a phone remains unlocked.. wdf???

RSBM

10-2 This press conference Sheriff Lomardo uses the phrase `lone wolf`.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=QQ6KZN9s5yY

10-2 CSpan the FBI address the topic of terrorism.
www.c-span.org/video/?435041-1/death-toll-rises-58-las-vegas-mass-shooting

 

[kittythehare]

We can go back to the reports of what you specified ‘especially this’ because that was claimed and mentioned more than once and boldly so. ‘Lone Gunman, group, terrorist, etc. In my opinion their issued statement carried an arrogance that made me question what was already being questioned...ten fold.

That claim was made before many things were ‘properly’ assessed. Was there a Terroist expert on hand, a Blackhawk security type team dispersed throughout the area and beyond to verify this? If so I think the established timeline would look very different, as well as many other things. Terroist or other possibles this was a whacko investigation crew with an agenda. In relation to Lombardo and the others who have stakes, this part of the Agenda is ongoing...

If Lombardos tag line ‘we still have no motive’ is to be credible, how then can you rule out terroist or anything....period? Is that why he wants the concerned public to forget about that??

My round about point is we can look at the time that ‘lone gunman’ was announced but we still have only ‘their accounting’ of it. And we know thats a joke. So it would be nice to get that phone unlocked, and anything else that has been held back (people and things).

We have nothing for no good reason.
I was listening earlier to the press conference regarding the children held in the helllish life by their parents and I was mentally comparing how well it was handled compared to the LVPD..
It's possible to get these things right.
Need to know why they did not/ will not

 

[Gooddeeds]

We have nothing for no good reason.
I was listening earlier to the press conference regarding the children held in the helllish life by their parents and I was mentally comparing how well it was handled compared to the LVPD..
It's possible to get these things right.
Need to know why they did not/ will not

Agree completely!
We need to know, we have a right to know.
How did a number of entities collectively not get it right??

What an opportunity gone rogue? Imagine the respect and trust that could have been earned by honest work and no colluding. I haven’t seen glossy front page editorials honoring LV investigatives team for their breakthrough accomplishment in getting to the bottom of this case. Instead there will be a lingering association of a daytime comedy talk show presence. Which in irony is fitting.

 

[watergirl62]

We have nothing for no good reason.
I was listening earlier to the press conference regarding the children held in the helllish life by their parents and I was mentally comparing how well it was handled compared to the LVPD..
It's possible to get these things right.
Need to know why they did not/ will not

Tourism $$$. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. MOO

 

[DeDee]

Tourism $$$. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. MOO

If we follow the money as Laura Ingraham suggested, it goes to Mandalay Bay.

So, why is Mandalay Bay superseding the power of the Sheriff's Dept.?

It is seriously doubtful tourists will ever go to another outdoor concert in Vegas. Count me on that list.

Why were First Responders held back from responding to a mass shooting? "Active Shooter, they were told."

I noted in the beginning, a gentleman said he saw a row of parked trucks. The very first truck he ran to had the keys to the truck inside. He rescued some injured by taking them to the hospital and returned in the same stolen white truck to rescue more injured persons.

How did he manage to get through the hold back line of first responders? A few days later, an owner of a car dealership presented him with a brand new truck for his rescue efforts. What are the odds of running to a row of trucks and the first one just so happens to have the keys inside?

There was other suspicious activity happening during the shooting including some on the stage and the lighting. Perhaps, I'll address those matters later.

 

[watergirl62]

If we follow the money as Laura Ingraham suggested, it goes to Mandalay Bay.

So, why is Mandalay Bay superseding the power of the Sheriff's Dept.?

It is seriously doubtful tourists will ever go to another outdoor concert in Vegas. Count me on that list.

Why were First Responders held back from responding to a mass shooting? "Active Shooter, they were told."

I noted in the beginning, a gentleman said he saw a row of parked trucks. The very first truck he ran to had the keys to the truck inside. He rescued some injured by taking them to the hospital and returned in the same stolen white truck to rescue more injured persons.

How did he manage to get through the hold back line of first responders? A few days later, an owner of a car dealership presented him with a brand new truck for his rescue efforts. What are the odds of running to a row of trucks and the first one just so happens to have the keys inside?

There was other suspicious activity happening during the shooting including some on the stage and the lighting. Perhaps, I'll address those matters later.

IMO The casinos bankroll the town and this is bad for business. Yes... follow the money.

 

[Gooddeeds]

If we follow the money as Laura Ingraham suggested, it goes to Mandalay Bay.

So, why is Mandalay Bay superseding the power of the Sheriff's Dept.?

It is seriously doubtful tourists will ever go to another outdoor concert in Vegas. Count me on that list.

Why were First Responders held back from responding to a mass shooting? "Active Shooter, they were told."

I noted in the beginning, a gentleman said he saw a row of parked trucks. The very first truck he ran to had the keys to the truck inside. He rescued some injured by taking them to the hospital and returned in the same stolen white truck to rescue more injured persons.

How did he manage to get through the hold back line of first responders? A few days later, an owner of a car dealership presented him with a brand new truck for his rescue efforts. What are the odds of running to a row of trucks and the first one just so happens to have the keys inside?

There was other suspicious activity happening during the shooting including some on the stage and the lighting. Perhaps, I'll address those matters later.

I have no desire to ever go there again. Any reservation about safety and security should be measured by the LV mentality regarding this historic mass shooting. If they are of the notion for ‘keeping what happened in Las Vegas’ for this tragedy, it’s highly likely they will do the same for any others tragedies big or small.

 

[kittythehare]

it's Tucker.. so pinch of salt
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[CoolJ]

it's Tucker.. so pinch of salt
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Two things he said that were definitely factual:

1. Isis said they were gonna hit Vegas
2. Isis claimed credit for it

Lombardo is the one who told us it wasn’t a terrorist attack.

 

[kittythehare]

Two things he said that were definitely factual:

1. Isis said they were gonna hit Vegas
2. Isis claimed credit for it

Lombardo is the one who told us it wasn’t a terrorist attack.

Whoa.. iSIS are currently threatening to drive tanks through washington, that does not mean it will ever happen.

The anti-terror network is vast.
If there was the slightest screed of evidence that iSIS had done it, they would have shown proof by now. This is oftentimes shown by the presentation of an oral or written bay'ah, a swear of loyalty to the head of daesh.

also ISIS media is less credible since their defeat and many employees of Amaq, their official/unofficial media source have been killed.

There is no sense that isIs was involved from the counter terrorist or anti terrorist world communities. Both of these bodies far exceed the authority and credibility of Lombardo.

It was considered at the beginning whether it might have been the work of anti-gov groups. This discussion kicked off following an interview with the Aus guy, since discredited, describing Paddock's prowess at interpreting the constitution.. It looked like it would fly as a working theory. But I think it never really panned out. It's a possibility but they tend not to stay underground and are not particularly well known for being so tech savvy that feds and cops have problems opening their electronic correspondences.

My own working theory is that there is an organised crime syndicate behind it.
I dont have the slightest scrap of evidence to back this up.

we did a lot of research of share trading involving this hotel group in the early threads.. not sure we came to any conclusions 'cos we were all talking at the same time and nobody was listening to eachother... It was dismissed as a regular practice to offset taxes..

Finally, we did look at the donations Sheriff l received for his current position and MB had donated, maybe not substantially, but a lot at the same time. He raised 1.7$million.
Not sure whether his current donations for this year's election are published yet..
It looks to me, like hotel are calling the shots.

 

[CoolJ]

Whoa.. iSIS are currently threatening to drive tanks through washington, that does not mean it will ever happen.

The anti-terror network is vast.
If there was the slightest screed of evidence that iSIS had done it, they would have shown proof by now. This is oftentimes shown by the presentation of an oral or written bay'ah, a swear of loyalty to the head of daesh.

also ISIS media is less credible since their defeat and many employees of Amaq, their official/unofficial media source have been killed.

There is no sense that isIs was involved from the counter terrorist or anti terrorist world communities. Both of these bodies far exceed the authority and credibility of Lombardo.

It was considered at the beginning whether it might have been the work of anti-gov groups. This discussion kicked off following an interview with the Aus guy, since discredited, describing Paddock's prowess at interpreting the constitution.. It looked like it would fly as a working theory. But I think it never really panned out. It's a possibility but they tend not to stay underground and are not particularly well known for being so tech savvy that feds and cops have problems opening their electronic correspondences.

My own working theory is that there is an organised crime syndicate behind it.
I dont have the slightest scrap of evidence to back this up.

we did a lot of research of share trading involving this hotel group in the early threads.. not sure we came to any conclusions 'cos we were all talking at the same time and nobody was listening to eachother... It was dismissed as a regular practice to offset taxes..

Finally, we did look at the donations Sheriff l received for his current position and MB had donated, maybe not substantially, but a lot at the same time. He raised 1.7$million.
Not sure whether his current donations for this year's election are published yet..
It looks to me, like hotel are calling the shots.

I’m just stating the facts. You did post a link to a political official stating isis is responsible and entered through the southern border.

It remains a possibility. But not the theory I am working on.

 

[cujenn81]

Tourism $$$. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. MOO

OMG I can't believe I haven't thought about that saying in relation to this massacre yet -- I guess it all really DOES stay in Vegas.

 

[kittythehare]

I’m just stating the facts. You did post a link to a political official stating isis is responsible and entered through the southern border.

It remains a possibility. But not the theory I am working on.

I did, but with the addendum to take it with a pinch of salt.
I did it too to illustrate the conspiracy theories which have been reawoken

 

[kittythehare]

https://apnews.com/dc38213d0ba94585...egas-shooting-gunman's-ashes-given-to-brother
Clark County Coroner John Fudenberg (FYOU’-den-berg) said in a statement that Stephen Paddock’s ashes were given Thursday to brother Eric Paddock.

Eric Paddock told the newspaper on Wednesday that he plans to put the ashes in a safe deposit box at a bank instead of at his home in Orlando, Florida.


do it sonny, 'cos they're pure gold!

https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/shootings/coroner-releases-las-vegas-shooters-cremated-remains/

The remains were contained in a black plastic box sealed with red evidence tape. The label bears Stephen Paddock’s name and says his body was cremated Dec. 21.