GUILTY NV - Deborah Flores-Narvaez, 31, Las Vegas, 12 Dec 2010 - #1

[Coldpizza]

Well it would be informative to know if she was or wasn't still pregnant. How far along would she be and if she wasn't still pregnant what happened? For me, if she wasn't still pregnant that adds even more questions to her disappearance. Was anger and control involved?

 

[Coldpizza]

Yikes I didn't mean to stop the thread!

 

[Coldpizza]

No communication since Dec 12. Cell phone has not been found.

 

[Kimmer]

Celeste says the last time she spoke with Debbie was on the 10th when she called to speak to her nephew about Christmas..October is when Debbie found out that BG was cheating on her and they had been together for about a year. Jean and LV reporter says that BG took her phone to keep her from calling LE because BG said he was not going to jail...Another panelist says that it takes alot of force to pull the hair from the scalp..pscholigist says that the reason for women going back with men who hurt them is because the abuser is able to make them feel it will never happen again and the victim had no self asteem...Pat Brown says that she has looked over Debbie's face book for the last year and that Debbie was obsessed with BG and that Debbie kept using sad face icons throughout the whole year and that Debbie was making posts about being treated badly in a relationship and that this was obviously a troubled relationship the whole time they were together...Caller wants to know if BG could have been the one to send the text to Debbie's Mom, Tom Shamshack says that is a possiblity...TS also says that CSI will be looking at the fingerprints from the vehicle to see if they have any that match BG...Cell phone has not been found or powered on since the disapperance...Jean also says that Debbie would not have just left town since she had just gotten her dream job. and that Debbie had nothing to run away from.

 

[Kimmer]

Yikes I didn't mean to stop the thread!

jump right on in, I am trying to get it all in the best I can....Not to many people on the thread for some reason.

 

[Coldpizza]

Well the sister would not comment on the pregnancy

 

[Coldpizza]

jump right on in, I am trying to get it all in the best I can....Not to many people on the thread for some reason.

Your great at surmising! Thank you

 

[Coldpizza]

Well prayers that she is found. Her sister is so brokenhearted.

 

[Kimmer]

Jean is asking why someone that would be bearing his child, why he would not be showing up in court..her friend Merriliz is saying that Debbie was always very busy and tired due to her schedule..Caller wants to know if Debbie lost the baby from the DV could charges be upgraded...Celeste says that she will not comment on how the pregnancy ended..she also says that Debbie did not have a self esteem problem...Alex Sanchez says there are charges BG could face murder charges depending on how far along she was in the pregnancy if that is what caused her to lose the baby....Alex also says that the DV case could fall apart if Debbie is not found...Celeste says the message she wants to give to the public is if you have any info please call the authorities, she also says that LE is doing there job to see if there is any correlation between the DV and the disappearance and not to automatically assume there is a connection.

 

[Kimmer]

Well here is my cents on the pregnancy, You have a dancer who in her mind had finally reached the pinnacle in her career that she had always dreamed of, so in my mind she either had an abortion to keep her career or there is a real possibility that she may not have been pregnant...I feel the Sister knows the answer but will never say how it ended...The fact that she did not even find out she was pregnant until after she flew into LV but she knew for a fact that she was no longer pregnant when she went missing tells me that there is documentation LE has that she aborted the fetus...JMO

 

[Kimmer]

Caller is wanting to know if the text message is actually saying that her ex is not her best friend...Pat Brown says that is a very good way to interpret it..Pat says that LE will need to look at all the evidence as to not get stuck going in just 1 direction. Show has ended.

 

[Fairy1]

Thank you, Kimmer!

I'm so glad Debbie is getting national media coverage. I just don't know what to think at this point. Her sister really seems to be almost protecting the ex. Under the circumstances, I'm not sure I would be so open-minded if I were in her shoes.

I hope Debbie is found soon.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Thanks for the updates Kimmer & Coldpizza!

 

[Bratislava]

Honestly it sounds like Blu wanted to move out of the relationship and she wanted to stay together. Anyone else getting that vibe?

 

[Nancy2441]

Thank you, Kimmer!

I'm so glad Debbie is getting national media coverage. I just don't know what to think at this point. Her sister really seems to be almost protecting the ex. Under the circumstances, I'm not sure I would be so open-minded if I were in her shoes.

I hope Debbie is found soon.

I felt the same way about the sister defending the ex-boyfriend. Either she is in complete denial over the abusive nature of the relationship or she has information from LE about a possible stalker of Deborah.

 

[KR2tonenow]

Celeste says the last time she spoke with Debbie was on the 10th when she called to speak to her nephew about Christmas..October is when Debbie found out that BG was cheating on her and they had been together for about a year. Jean and LV reporter says that BG took her phone to keep her from calling LE because BG said he was not going to jail...Another panelist says that it takes alot of force to pull the hair from the scalp..pscholigist says that the reason for women going back with men who hurt them is because the abuser is able to make them feel it will never happen again and the victim had no self asteem...Pat Brown says that she has looked over Debbie's face book for the last year and that Debbie was obsessed with BG and that Debbie kept using sad face icons throughout the whole year and that Debbie was making posts about being treated badly in a relationship and that this was obviously a troubled relationship the whole time they were together...Caller wants to know if BG could have been the one to send the text to Debbie's Mom, Tom Shamshack says that is a possiblity...TS also says that CSI will be looking at the fingerprints from the vehicle to see if they have any that match BG...Cell phone has not been found or powered on since the disapperance...Jean also says that Debbie would not have just left town since she had just gotten her dream job. and that Debbie had nothing to run away from.

Sounds like LE is on tops of things, this BG didn't want to go to jail. My feeling is DFN was to testify so he wanted her dead. This feels like the case with the reality TV star who killed the woman in LV.

 

[sherryk]

Something just popped into my head. What if "not my best friend" was actually ABOUT the ex? As in "if something happens to me, look at him, because you know, he's not exactly my best friend right now..."

I don't know. I hope she's found soon.

I agree with the above 100%.

"In case there is ever an emergency with me, contact Blu Griffith in Vegas," the text sent on Dec. 1 read. "My ex-boyfriend. Not my best friend."

Let me pick apart this text the way that I see it.

"In case ther is ever any emergency with me"
above says "emergency" ?? why was there not a plan when she went to Las Vegas as to if an emergency was to occur.. why would the text be so close to as the ending of the relationship???

"contact Blu Griffith"
above seems to indicate that he would know what to do or be able to assist in someway (if there was in fact a stalker) however, he to our knowledge has not come foward stating that he knows that she may need help or there was an issue that she was in fear of "somthing"

"my x boyfriend"
above made it a point to say to go my "X BOYFRIEND"
above specifically mention the work or phrase "X", why would X boyfriend have current information on her fears, secrets and leads on if an emergency happened.. x boyfriends is past tense .. being that he is out of the loop on her life for the most part.

"not my best friend"
above implying that he is not her best friend and perhaps on UNFRIENDLY terms. I would like to point out also, if there was a best friend has she or he come foward to claim status of best friend to help with information... if not to go to best friend.. does that mean that she confided in x boyfriend and not best friend.. doesnt make a lot of sence in a break up.. i would go to best friend INSTEAD of X boyfriend, especially after an assault in the recent past.

If you look at this the way I have I think that some will agree.. Many sentences that we speak or text..are facts that can be taken different way. In what we are being told with the domestic violence and perhaps another woman or man involved my theory to "me" makes sence.

One other point that I think that the sister "celeste" (forgive me if name is wrong of sister) I know she would like to believe sister is a stong willed woman and full of self esteem.. that may be true in career and friends and determination to have success in life HOWEVER that does NOT mean that self esteem was lowered by abuse.. it happens. it is an abuse cycle and little by little it eats away at self esteem.. alot of time the victem does not reveal it ESPECIALLY being such a beautiful girl.. the first reaction from someone who hasnt been through abuse you be to her.. wow you are so much better than that and you can have anyone.. get out of it.. and of course love does things to us that keeps us coming back.. with the slim chance of hope it will be better.. that a person can change.

I do believe that he perhaps was cheating. I do believe that it is natural for her to be in a jealous state of mind.. a year long love of ups and downs.. natuarlly one would be jealous and let down by a new girl so soon..
the same goes for her.. a woman of the beauty is not looked over by alot and i mean alot of eligible men.. BG would be an idiot not to know that she is wanted and easy to replace him.. that would be a major jealous issue that could spark and argument. To be quite honest it is much easier for a beautiful woman to find a new mate than it is a male most the time.. she could of flaunted it to him to spark a reaction from him.. that one thing she may have wanted.. to know he still cared...

Love and abuse is a fine line between love and hate.. wants and unrealistic expectations of somehow this has GOT to work out... it can be fixxed and sometime the woman goes back knowing it cant be fixxed due to self esteem.

I think that Celeste needs to look as the self esteem as not an insult to her sister but perhaps a reason to look at the big picture and do a little research on domestic abuse. It is a hard thing to completly get out of.. It took me two years to finally get the courage to STOP it.. i had to hit bottom and finally realize that I was better than that.. it took a long time and much heartache after that to finally get the idea of another taking my place...

I know this is a long post. I wanted to pick apart the text message in what it very well could mean.

I wanted to touch base on the cycle of domestic abuse. The sister may not know the cycle of domestic abuse and it most certainly takes self esteem.. maybe not to the outside world but the control the abuser puts apon the victem is a major deteriotion of self esteem and a need to be part of it in some way.. a heart doesnt want to let go of the fantasy of what they thought it would be in the beginning.

Just my opinion. I hope that it makes sence to someone. I still say the x boyfriend BG is the most likely person to have information tucked away that he is not revealing.. period.

thanks for reading this. I felt I needed to post a possible reason for the text.
thanks for reading and feel free to disagree or agree or add possible reasons that my ideas may not be a stong consideration that they are looking into.

If Celeste is reading this.. no offense.. but dont portay her as a stong willed woman that NO way could loose self esteem.. keep her the victem as she is and please do not lead viewers to possibly come to conclusion that she had free will and determination.. it stuck me as a defense of DF as to proving she is a good person...we know she was.. but she is missing ... consider all the states of mind that could of played into this.

 

[sherlockh]

I agree with the assumption that she meant her ex not being her best friend. And more specifically, some people break up and remain best friends. IMO Deborah points out that the breakup was not good and they did not stay best friends, and the breakup is the direct reason for her emergency.

Then again, why would she go there alone at night if she was so worried?

 

[Nancy2441]

I agree with the above 100%.

"In case there is ever an emergency with me, contact Blu Griffith in Vegas," the text sent on Dec. 1 read. "My ex-boyfriend. Not my best friend."

Let me pick apart this text the way that I see it.

"In case ther is ever any emergency with me"
above says "emergency" ?? why was there not a plan when she went to Las Vegas as to if an emergency was to occur.. why would the text be so close to as the ending of the relationship???

"contact Blu Griffith"
above seems to indicate that he would know what to do or be able to assist in someway (if there was in fact a stalker) however, he to our knowledge has not come foward stating that he knows that she may need help or there was an issue that she was in fear of "somthing"

"my x boyfriend"
above made it a point to say to go my "X BOYFRIEND"
above specifically mention the work or phrase "X", why would X boyfriend have current information on her fears, secrets and leads on if an emergency happened.. x boyfriends is past tense .. being that he is out of the loop on her life for the most part.

"not my best friend"
above implying that he is not her best friend and perhaps on UNFRIENDLY terms. I would like to point out also, if there was a best friend has she or he come foward to claim status of best friend to help with information... if not to go to best friend.. does that mean that she confided in x boyfriend and not best friend.. doesnt make a lot of sence in a break up.. i would go to best friend INSTEAD of X boyfriend, especially after an assault in the recent past.

If you look at this the way I have I think that some will agree.. Many sentences that we speak or text..are facts that can be taken different way. In what we are being told with the domestic violence and perhaps another woman or man involved my theory to "me" makes sence.

One other point that I think that the sister "celeste" (forgive me if name is wrong of sister) I know she would like to believe sister is a stong willed woman and full of self esteem.. that may be true in career and friends and determination to have success in life HOWEVER that does NOT mean that self esteem was lowered by abuse.. it happens. it is an abuse cycle and little by little it eats away at self esteem.. alot of time the victem does not reveal it ESPECIALLY being such a beautiful girl.. the first reaction from someone who hasnt been through abuse you be to her.. wow you are so much better than that and you can have anyone.. get out of it.. and of course love does things to us that keeps us coming back.. with the slim chance of hope it will be better.. that a person can change.

I do believe that he perhaps was cheating. I do believe that it is natural for her to be in a jealous state of mind.. a year long love of ups and downs.. natuarlly one would be jealous and let down by a new girl so soon..
the same goes for her.. a woman of the beauty is not looked over by alot and i mean alot of eligible men.. BG would be an idiot not to know that she is wanted and easy to replace him.. that would be a major jealous issue that could spark and argument. To be quite honest it is much easier for a beautiful woman to find a new mate than it is a male most the time.. she could of flaunted it to him to spark a reaction from him.. that one thing she may have wanted.. to know he still cared...

Love and abuse is a fine line between love and hate.. wants and unrealistic expectations of somehow this has GOT to work out... it can be fixxed and sometime the woman goes back knowing it cant be fixxed due to self esteem.

I think that Celeste needs to look as the self esteem as not an insult to her sister but perhaps a reason to look at the big picture and do a little research on domestic abuse. It is a hard thing to completly get out of.. It took me two years to finally get the courage to STOP it.. i had to hit bottom and finally realize that I was better than that.. it took a long time and much heartache after that to finally get the idea of another taking my place...

I know this is a long post. I wanted to pick apart the text message in what it very well could mean.

I wanted to touch base on the cycle of domestic abuse. The sister may not know the cycle of domestic abuse and it most certainly takes self esteem.. maybe not to the outside world but the control the abuser puts apon the victem is a major deteriotion of self esteem and a need to be part of it in some way.. a heart doesnt want to let go of the fantasy of what they thought it would be in the beginning.

Just my opinion. I hope that it makes sence to someone. I still say the x boyfriend BG is the most likely person to have information tucked away that he is not revealing.. period.

thanks for reading this. I felt I needed to post a possible reason for the text.
thanks for reading and feel free to disagree or agree or add possible reasons that my ideas may not be a stong consideration that they are looking into.

If Celeste is reading this.. no offense.. but dont portay her as a stong willed woman that NO way could loose self esteem.. keep her the victem as she is and please do not lead viewers to possibly come to conclusion that she had free will and determination.. it stuck me as a defense of DF as to proving she is a good person...we know she was.. but she is missing ... consider all the states of mind that could of played into this.

Thanks so much for your excellent post about your interpretation of the text message and the nature of domestic violence.

I felt the same way watching NG tonight with the interview with the sister, Celeste. She was so insulted that anyone would think her sister didn't have self esteem, she had to defend that her sister of course had good self esteem and a "happy life". No woman in an abusive relationship is happy, and to think they are is well being extremely naive to say the least.

Listening to the sister this evening it reminded me of someone else, but I couldn't remember who...then it hit me... Denise Brown, sister of Nicole Brown Simpson. She too, didn't believe her sister had been abused. But of course after seeing the photos of her sister's previous beating at the hands of Simpson, hearing the audio tapes of the 911 calls, she eventually became very educated about the nature of domestic violence.

I think Celeste doesn't want to face the truth about her sister's life and she has some serious judgements about women that are in abusive relationships. I also believe that will change in time for her as it did for Denise Brown and countless other family members of DV victims. I'm sure all these facts coming out about Deborah's life since she disappeared has to be completely overwhelming for her sister. I do really feel for her. I think it's human nature to want to believe our loved ones are living a happy life whether that's true or not.

 

[Fairy1]

Can't find it now, but IIRC, there was a reference to her FB or MS where she said she had been blessed with an abundance of common sense - or something along those lines. I'm not seeing any evidence of that, based on what we know right now.

It just doesn't make sense!