NV - Jessica Valenzuela, 32, dead, 36 injured, car plows into crowd, Las Vegas, 20 Dec 2015 *arrest*

[bluesneakers]

Has there been mention of whether or not she was suicidal, either that night or some time in her past?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

She snapped. She couldn’t take living like that anymore. She couldn’t even sleep, because the security guards kept waking her up and harassing her to leave. She felt like she had no other alternative.

Many homeless and / or mentally ill people commit crimes just so they can go to jail, and get a warm place to sleep, and not have to worry about their problems anymore.

If you want to prevent these types of incidents from happening, then support better mental health programs. To the best of my knowledge, this stuff just didn’t happen before our current mental health system took effect around 1980.

She snapped because she couldn't take living like that anymore? From what we know didn't she decide to go there? She made choices that put her there.

Wait, security guards were "harassing" her? The security guards were doing their jobs. Not harassing her. There are other places you can park and sleep. She did not belong there. She had gas. She could have driven somewhere else to sleep.

She felt like she had no other alternative? No other alternative than to plow down innocent pedestrians? That's BS.

I agree many homeless/mentally ill people commit crimes to go to jail. Like shoplifting. NOT RUNNING DOWN HUMANS.

I've read nothing to suggest she was truly mentally ill. She may just be evil.

JMO

 

[CARIIS]

Under a new state law that went into effect October 1, leaving an accident scene where an injury occurred is now punishable by up to 20 years in prison and is non-probational, the prosecutor said.

??a family representative told CNN that Holloway wasn't homeless, had a job and comes from a loving family. The representative declined to comment on what could have prompted the incident.

areened onto the sidewalk at least three or four times,

people were bouncing off the front of the car,"

graduated with a B+ average,

we can tell you she was smiling, happy, well-dressed, doing things with her daughter.

They say they are cooperating with detectives but did not want to talk about the case or about her daughter.

aunt mother in Los Vegas maternal ,as mentioned earlier - no males

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/22/us/las-vegas-strip-pedestrians-lakeisha-holloway/

http://www.ktnv.com/news/family-speaks-out-aboout-strip-crash-suspect

a brief chuckle

[h=1]Florida woman arrested after attacking husband for passing gas[/h]
http://www.ktnv.com/news/dawn-meikle-port-st-lucie-woman-arrested-after-fight-over-flatulence

 

[flourish]

About the trauma of witnessing this stuff--I mentioned in another thread how I simply heard a pedestrian getting hit by a truck then looked over and saw the guy bleeding under the truck. I couldn't go back to that shopping area for a year. And dude was okay--he was a homeless guy and a local family let him stay in their hunting trailer while he recuperated so there was a whole local news story about it along with lots of speculation about hospitals being air conditioned and this happening in the hottest part of the summer... IDK... I just know that pretty small incident had me going to different stores for a year.

And no, there are no excuses. And there aren't good, understandable-to-you-andme reasonable reasons per se, just factors that may or may not have come into play, that combine with other factors like mental stability and lack thereof, resiliency, etc, and it's interesting and helps with our need to make sense of things. Imo

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Some things make no sense. No matter how much we would like them to. IMO this is one of those things.

The thing I can't get passed is her frame of mind right after she did this. Again, she had the wherewithal to tell the valet to call 911. And from what has been reported, she didn't even act upset.

 

[KaaBoom]

She snapped because she couldn't take living like that anymore? From what we know didn't she decide to go there? She made choices that put her there.

Wait, security guards were "harassing" her? The security guards were doing their jobs. Not harassing her. There are other places you can park and sleep. She did not belong there. She had gas. She could have driven somewhere else to sleep.

She felt like she had no other alternative? No other alternative than to plow down innocent pedestrians? That's BS.

I agree many homeless/mentally ill people commit crimes to go to jail. Like shoplifting. NOT RUNNING DOWN HUMANS.

I've read nothing to suggest she was truly mentally ill. She may just be evil.

JMO

Shoplifting is not generally enough to go to jail for, and yes mentally ill people do commit murder and go to jail for it every day. I think you would be hard pressed to find even one mass-murderer who does not have some diagnosed mental condition. Would you argue that the Planned Parenthood shooter was not mentally ill? I would hope not. Mental illness is the one common denominator in all of these incidents.

Any solution to this problem has got to include mental health services.

 

[LaborDayRN]

Hi Labor

They have been very "confusing" in addressing this angle. I have found it both frustrating and bewildering - it is a pretty "concrete" entity, IMO

Thanks CARIIS!

 

[bluesneakers]

About the trauma of witnessing this stuff--I mentioned in another thread how I simply heard a pedestrian getting hit by a truck then looked over and saw the guy bleeding under the truck. I couldn't go back to that shopping area for a year. And dude was okay--he was a homeless guy and a local family let him stay in their hunting trailer while he recuperated so there was a whole local news story about it along with lots of speculation about hospitals being air conditioned and this happening in the hottest part of the summer... IDK... I just know that pretty small incident had me going to different stores for a year.

And no, there are no excuses. And there aren't good, understandable-to-you-andme reasonable reasons per se, just factors that may or may not have come into play, that combine with other factors like mental stability and lack thereof, resiliency, etc, and it's interesting and helps with our need to make sense of things. Imo

"Factors that may or may not have come into play."

That's an excellent way to explain it, or at least a place to start to make some sense of it. I keep trying to think what combination of factors could lead a person to do this and I can't. Even if she's ill, on drugs, desperate, scared, suicidal, being chased by demons real or imagined ... how does that end with ploughing into a crowd of people, killing or injuring everyone who got in her way? And not just once, and not by accident.

Whatever is going on in her life and whatever she's dealing with - people have survived worse. Why her and why THIS? Of all the things she might have done.

 

[CARIIS]

you know what just struck me , I maybe totally off maybe she was just taking stuff like No Doz?? Exhaustion and that kind of stuff aint good

her entire drive was a mile

had stayed in garage at Planet Hoolywood







https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/...-001&fr2=piv-web&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001

 

[KaaBoom]

??a family representative told CNN that Holloway wasn't homeless, had a job and comes from a loving family. The representative declined to comment on what could have prompted the incident.

:facepalm:Total garbage reporting. Just more Faux News style reporting from CNN. If she wasn’t homeless then what was she doing sleeping in her car on the Las Vegas Strip? Of course the representative declined to answer, because there is no explanation.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Shoplifting is not generally enough to go to jail for, and yes mentally ill people do commit murder and go to jail for it every day. I think you would be hard pressed to find even one mass-murderer who does not have some diagnosed mental condition. Would you argue that the Planned Parenthood shooter was not mentally ill? I would hope not. Mental illness is the one common denominator in all of these incidents.

Any solution to this problem has got to include mental health services.

I agree that many mass murderers have mental disorders of some sort. But that wasn't the point made or responded to.
I responded to the thought/point about crimes being committed just to go to jail so they can have a warm place to sleep.
My point is that many people may commit crimes to go to jail but not by such things as mass murder.

How many mass murderers do you know of that committed their crimes just to have a warm place to sleep.

I believe to hurt anybody you must be crazy. Does that mean every murderer should go to a mental institution instead of jail?

If she knew what she was doing was wrong she needs to be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

:facepalm:Total garbage reporting. Just more Faux News style reporting from CNN. If she wasn’t homeless then what was she doing sleeping in her car on the Las Vegas Strip? Of course the representative declined to answer, because there is no explanation.

You don't have to be homeless to sleep in your car.
Maybe she had a home in Portland (or wherever) and decided to leave that home to go to Vegas. Had nowhere to stay in Vegas so she slept in her car. That would not mean she was homeless. It would simply mean she was not home.

 

[flourish]

Yeah maybe she was just working her sick coward guts up to it for a week in an angry freaky frenzy after leaving to go to Vegas simply to do this. Although, if I had the money to stay in a motel while working my guts up to mass murder, I'd spend it because I'd just be dead or imprisoned soon, right? What's a little more debt in that situation,right?

 

[KaaBoom]

Some things make no sense. No matter how much we would like them to. IMO this is one of those things.

The thing I can't get passed is her frame of mind right after she did this. Again, she had the wherewithal to tell the valet to call 911. And from what has been reported, she didn't even act upset.

It does make total sense, if you look at it that she snapped mentally, and was looking for a way to get out of her hopeless situation, of living in her car on the Las Vegas Strip with her baby and no money, and no way of taking care of her.

 

[CARIIS]

you know what just struck me , I maybe totally off maybe she was just taking stuff like No Doz??

she handed her car keys to the valet

 

[Kimberlyd125]

It does make total sense, if you look at it that she snapped mentally, and was looking for a way to get out of her hopeless situation, of living in her car on the Las Vegas Strip with her baby and no money, and no way of taking care of her.

If she did this because she was looking for a way to get out of her "hopeless situation" by intentionally plowing down humans, then not only did she know it was wrong, it was premeditated. That's not snapping. Can't be both.

ETA: do we really know how hopeless her situation was? Are we basing it solely on the fact that she was sleeping in her car?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Because if she did in fact have a home and loving family and she chose to go to Vegas and sleep in her car WITH HER BABY, that's not hopeless. That's just stupid.

JMO

 

[LaborDayRN]

It does make total sense, if you look at it that she snapped mentally, and was looking for a way to get out of her hopeless situation, of living in her car on the Las Vegas Strip with her baby and no money, and no way of taking care of her.

Well, she did have some money. She was able to buy gas to mow all these people down. It will be interesting to find out whether or not she was under the influence. Drugs and alcohol require money also.

 

[KaaBoom]

I agree that many mass murderers have mental disorders of some sort. But that wasn't the point made or responded to.
I responded to the thought/point about crimes being committed just to go to jail so they can have a warm place to sleep.
My point is that many people may commit crimes to go to jail but not by such things as mass murder.

How many mass murderers do you know of that committed their crimes just to have a warm place to sleep.

I believe to hurt anybody you must be crazy. Does that mean every murderer should go to a mental institution instead of jail?

If she knew what she was doing was wrong she needs to be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

I’m saying they should be in a mental institution BEFORE they commit the crime, not after. At that point, it is too late.

But in this case though, I don’t even think this girl should have been in a mental institution. As I have already said, I think she was just suffering from major depression. I believe that medication and therapy would have prevented this from happening. It seems that she was doing pretty good when she was getting help from that non-profit organization that gave her an award. She just needed some help, and obviously she wasn’t getting it in Las Vegas.

 

[KaaBoom]

You don't have to be homeless to sleep in your car.
Maybe she had a home in Portland (or wherever) and decided to leave that home to go to Vegas. Had nowhere to stay in Vegas so she slept in her car. That would not mean she was homeless. It would simply mean she was not home.

She was in Las Vegas sleeping in her car, and had no money to go any place. That makes her homeless. What ever resources she may or may not have had in Portland would be irrelevant to her situation in Las Vegas.