NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #10

[carbuff]

Somebody is going to call me out on this, but that's what we're all here for. I have some thoughts that have been swirling around in my little brain.

If SK drove to RV hoping to catch AN at her family home, however her plans were changed....than SK spent all that time driving home to St. George...a lot of time to do some thinking....he goes about his routine...buying gifts, etc, but still driving around with more time to think. Any possibility that he was thinking that AN's change of plans meant that she was coming to Las Vegas, and he decides to drive to Las Vegas to search for her? His cell phone pings were all over the LV Valley. This is where my thoughts get garbled....why would he be in SCA? And, what on earth would he say if/when he found AN in the LV area?

I know this seems really far out in left field, but this whole case is out there with me. Please be gentle when you all pounce on my crazy thoughts. lol

I tend to go with the most obvious reason for being in SCA, which is that someone he knew, or the parents/grandparents of someone he knew, lives there.

He did all that driving to try to meet AN, and it sounds like she avoided him. I wonder if the SCA person might be the parent/grandparent of another ex-girlfriend?

 

[sbakker]

I tend to go with the most obvious reason for being in SCA, which is that someone he knew, or the parents/grandparents of someone he knew, lives there.

He did all that driving to try to meet AN, and it sounds like she avoided him. I wonder if the SCA person might be the parent/grandparent of another ex-girlfriend?

This is the theory I think the most of all carbuff. Someone he KNEW. And actually, if he KNEW them, we probably have talked about that person on here. Because I believe we know most of his circle . The time line has helped us with that.

 

[Paulette]

Did anyone read about Nadia Bloom being found? She wasn't found by the searchers. She was found by a church group "that were conducting their own search."

http://www.wesh.com/news/23134261/detail.html

How inspiring - Let's hope we can make a difference.

 

[laytonian]

I tend to go with the most obvious reason for being in SCA, which is that someone he knew, or the parents/grandparents of someone he knew, lives there.

He did all that driving to try to meet AN, and it sounds like she avoided him. I wonder if the SCA person might be the parent/grandparent of another ex-girlfriend?

But why would that result in a disappearance?

One girl wasn't pretty enough, God told him one wasn't good enough.
If you were a relative, you might remember that ... but would you be blazing-guns angry?

Maybe a PO'd brother? Someone else lives in the house now? He really WAS trying to get to the N home across Anthem Parkway, in an "I won't give up!" mode?

 

[laytonian]

THE POLICE DID A SWEEP OF THE CAR WITH DRUG SNIFFING DOGS WITH A NEGATIVE RESULT.
Can people move past that debunked theory already?

Does anyone know if a drug dog could detect drugs long after they were present in a vehicle?
What kind of drugs can a dog detect (or not)?

Here's the timeline of the car:

Parked in SCA on Dec 13th.
The family got there on Dec 18th.
They got home to Bountiful (with the car) late on Dec 24th.
The next 3 days (Dec 25, 26, 27) were Christmas weekend.

Sometime AFTER that, the car was driven to SLC for drug dog sniffing.

 

[laytonian]

I love how I'm just a spectator on here

I just wanted to let you know that I emailed the idea's on the next search if & when we have one another to the PI. He agreed pretty much with the same idea's but did a people to area ratio (think it was everyone being 15 to 20 ft. apart) and would need approximately 1,700 people to conduct the search. He also mentioned it would be hard to do a briefing afterwards for any questioning about findings on the search because of some people having other commitments afterwards. Hey, I say if they have to go...i'll stick around to find out what was found! He mentioned he only had days to put this search together and would need atleast a month to put another one together but was very, very pleased with the search and was extremely pleased how focused the searchers were. I also mentioned to him about the area being a dumping ground. Sin City was with me when we came across a very long and high pile of dead palms which looked like a landscaper could have dumped with a very large truck. There was no way we could lift them and it was very, very possible that something or someone could have been burried under them. There were lots of items all over that we could not lift in the washes as well so I made mention to him that I didn't know what his resources or finances were but again, if or when another search was to be conducted if we could get some type of equipment to help lift heavy stuff that would really help.

The last thing I mentioned to the PI was surveillance camera's at the airport...I was sure he already checked into this but just needed to ask and also if any of the houses on the east or west side of the search area would have them?

And the last thing I wanted to mention and don't remember seeing this on past posts, forgive me if you have covered this and know it was thrown around about it being or not being Steven seen security camera's at Home Depot & Best Buy...Let's say he could have gone to any Best Buy and used their computers to google maps or directions on their computers to SCA? I still have no idea whom he may have met to give him the directions? He could have met someone at Home Depot and went & googled directions at Best Buy? Does anyone know if these security videos were ever looked at again by anyone else?

You're a champ. Thanks for talking to him. You wouldn't need 1700 people if you marked it off in a grid and went back and forth -- but I totally understand what he's saying.

Certainly LE and the PI have looked at them, as well as Steven's father.
It was surprising to me that Home Depot/Best Buy had such cr*ppy security videos!

BUT...if someone recognized Steven in Mr Security's videos (by his walk, certainly not be his appearance)....why couldn't they do the same with the HD/BB video?

 

[RubyRed]

This is the theory I think the most of all carbuff. Someone he KNEW. And actually, if he KNEW them, we probably have talked about that person on here. Because I believe we know most of his circle . The time line has helped us with that.

I have always felt there is a connection to someone he knew.

 

[carbuff]

But why would that result in a disappearance?

One girl wasn't pretty enough, God told him one wasn't good enough.
If you were a relative, you might remember that ... but would you be blazing-guns angry?

Maybe a PO'd brother? Someone else lives in the house now? He really WAS trying to get to the N home across Anthem Parkway, in an "I won't give up!" mode?

I didn't mean the people he knew did him harm. I was thinking more in terms of some sort of accidental encounter with bad people, where the reason for his being there is incidental to the outcome.

So for instance he wanted to track down a girl he hadn't seen for years, went to drop in on her grandparents without warning -- stumbles onto drug gang using an abandoned house -- the grandparents don't recognize his photo because they never met him face to face. That sort of scenario.

 

[Paulette]

This is the theory I think the most of all carbuff. Someone he KNEW. And actually, if he KNEW them, we probably have talked about that person on here. Because I believe we know most of his circle . The time line has helped us with that.

As far as I know there isn't a thread that links Steven/friends/family with Anthem.

 

[carbuff]

Does anyone know if a drug dog could detect drugs long after they were present in a vehicle?
What kind of drugs can a dog detect (or not)?

Here's the timeline of the car:

Parked in SCA on Dec 13th.
The family got there on Dec 18th.
They got home to Bountiful (with the car) late on Dec 24th.
The next 3 days (Dec 25, 26, 27) were Christmas weekend.

Sometime AFTER that, the car was driven to SLC for drug dog sniffing.

It varies a lot depending on the dog, the weather conditions, the drug and how it was packaged, how many people have been in and out of the vehicle, etc.

The dogs around here are generally trained only for marijuana, heroin, and/or cocaine -- some dogs can detect more than one, but most are limited to one particular scent. That's why it's usually "dogs." (The solo operators in airports and bus terminals are usually explosives detectors.) I don't know whether those drugs are the only ones of interest here, or the only ones that leave enough scent to be detected, or what.

 

[Paulette]

The thing is, would a man in Steven's position be chasing a woman? No job, no $$$, rent overdue. I say no.

That's why I think he went to Anthem for a job.

 

[laytonian]

As far as I know there isn't a thread that links Steven/friends/family with Anthem.

There might be a linkage through an acquaintance, who wouldn't be considered a friend. Or, like gsmith said, a friend unknown to the family (as gsmith was).

Or an ad in the local free "advertiser" that's stacked at the entrances to all of the grocery stores. Or the free newspaper that's distributed.

 

[carbuff]

The thing is, would a man in Steven's position be chasing a woman? No job, no $$$, rent overdue. I say no.

That's why I think he went to Anthem for a job.

I agree with his mother -- given what we know about his religious attitudes, he wasn't likely to be looking for a job or doing business on Sunday.

I don't imagine he was "chasing a woman" so much as he was trying to find answers to his past.

 

[laytonian]

The thing is, would a man in Steven's position be chasing a woman? No job, no $$$, rent overdue. I say no.

That's why I think he went to Anthem for a job.

He drove 1100 miles, round trip, to meet up with AN - without so much as a certainty that she'd be there.

The drive to Henderson was a piddle in the bucket compared to that.

 

[Paulette]

I agree with his mother -- given what we know about his religious attitudes, he wasn't likely to be looking for a job or doing business on Sunday.

I don't imagine he was "chasing a woman" so much as he was trying to find answers to his past.

What a dope I am! I didn't realize it was a Sunday.

"Chasing a woman" wasn't a very good choice of words - challenged in the vocabulary department sometimes.

"Trying to find answers to his past." That might be an avenue worth exploring.

The thing is, he supposedly left St. George about 10:30 pm on Saturday night and drove to Vegas. No one has come forward to say that he spent the night at their house. What did he do for those 12 hours between midnight on the 12th and noon on the 13th? Why would he leave at 10:30 pm, with no where to go?

 

[laytonian]

"Trying to find answers to his past." That might be an avenue worth exploring.

I did a bit of that, finding an N family right across Anthem Parkway from where Steven's car was found. I was just curious if he was trying to contact all of AN's relatives in hopes of winning her back. It was intriguing, because there's an Evening Twilight on one side of Anthem Parkway, and Evening Lights on the other. We see Steven walk north on Evening Lights.

He could easily have gotten to the N home by parking where he did -- but that idea got voted off the island.

If there's an angle that's been missed, it's not because we haven't tried.

The thing is, he supposedly left St. George about 10:30 pm on Saturday night and drove to Vegas.

I wasn't aware of that. How did you find that out?

 

[carbuff]

I did a bit of that, finding an N family right across Anthem Parkway from where Steven's car was found. I was just curious if he was trying to contact all of AN's relatives in hopes of winning her back. It was intriguing, because there's an Evening Twilight on one side of Anthem Parkway, and Evening Lights on the other. We see Steven walk north on Evening Lights.

He could easily have gotten to the N home by parking where he did -- but that idea got voted off the island.

If there's an angle that's been missed, it's not because we haven't tried.




I wasn't aware of that. How did you find that out?

bbm

The timing is a deduction from when he was last seen in St. George. He might have left for Vegas that early -- we don't really know.

We didn't exactly vote that connection off the island. There just didn't seem to be a lot of evidence either way, and at the time several of us weren't convinced that was even him in the video. The evidence looks a lot better now.

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

I did a bit of that, finding an N family right across Anthem Parkway from where Steven's car was found. I was just curious if he was trying to contact all of AN's relatives in hopes of winning her back. It was intriguing, because there's an Evening Twilight on one side of Anthem Parkway, and Evening Lights on the other. We see Steven walk north on Evening Lights.

He could easily have gotten to the N home by parking where he did -- but that idea got voted off the island.

If there's an angle that's been missed, it's not because we haven't tried.





I wasn't aware of that. How did you find that out?

Laytonian,

When you brought this up before, I thought it might be an angle...but that does not explain his "walking" fairly confidently to a noon meeting on EL. AND the numbers on the EL and ET do not coincide, so he would have only put the street number and not the street name when looking for directions. My Magellian would not have let that work...and Mapquest would have said it does not exist. For this reason, I didn't really spend much time on the AN family member. Do you still feel like this is viable, and if so...how would he have searched the address? There is probably something I am missing.

 

[laytonian]

bbm
The timing is a deduction from when he was last seen in St. George. He might have left for Vegas that early -- we don't really know.

Darn. I really was hoping she had info.
When someone makes a specific statement, I always check to see if they've learned something we've missed.

We didn't exactly vote that connection off the island. There just didn't seem to be a lot of evidence either way, and at the time several of us weren't convinced that was even him in the video. The evidence looks a lot better now.

The "Evening Twilight" thing just seemed possible, if he missed a turn and/or misread directions. Especially IF it's him in the video. At least it gave a "six degrees of separation" thing.

 

[RubyRed]

I agree with his mother -- given what we know about his religious attitudes, he wasn't likely to be looking for a job or doing business on Sunday.

I don't imagine he was "chasing a woman" so much as he was trying to find answers to his past.

As religious as he was, something was important enough for him, not to plan on attending church that day.