NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #10

[laytonian]

Example of a Florida HOA car parking rules....

No cars on the street
No cars on the grass
No cars extending over sidewalk
Cars in garage okay
Cars in driveway okay

If you park in a person's driveway, the car in the garage may be blocked.

Needless to say, I no longer live in an HOA...or in Florida!!

Hah.

I remember someone posted some of the SCA HOA rules here, and it included something like "You can feed the birds, but DO NOT FEED NOISY BIRDS".
That was enough to keep me miles away from there. I like it here, where the deer poop in my yard and the dogs try to roll in it I also don't care if the birds are noisy; in fact, I like the noisy ones best.

ANYWAY, SCA's HOA rules include what starts on page 6 here: SCA-HOA

See page 21, where it says that on-street parking issues must be reported to the Henderson PD...not the HOA. Sounds like the HOA did "assist" with Steven's car left so long in one place, though.

 

[RubyRed]

On the multi quote button that turns red, that works if you want to quote say 3 posts.
You click multi quote on each post you want included in your reply.
On the last post you want included you click both the multi quote and the quote button in that post.
All will show up in your reply.

 

[guitar3]

On the multi quote button that turns red, that works if you want to quote say 3 posts.
You click multi quote on each post you want included in your reply.
On the last post you want included you click both the multi quote and the quote button in that post.
All will show up in your reply.

Thanks Ruby, I'll give it a try next time but sure i'll muff it up

 

[guitar3]

You can't be a spectator. You can't leave now. You have been officially sucked in. Just try to leave!

The "multi-quote" doesn't work for me. I cut/paste the "quote" and "/quote" before/after what I'm quoting. Then, I have to go back and edit it a few times to make it right. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, either.

I don't think we've thought about Steven maybe trying to get a job as a landscaper in that area. See? That's why you're official now.

Or perhaps just contacting JB for some kind of work or rentals in the area? Just strikes me funny that he's the only person SK knew in the area, the family didn't have contact with him for 4 or 5 years, seems like a distant relative and some how he became the family representative on the milk cartons.

 

[laytonian]

Just strikes me funny that he's the only person SK knew in the area,

(gentle snippage)


Do we know that for sure?

 

[believe09]

Does anyone know if Mr. Koecher just took the car home to St George before it was processed....the way the situation seemed to me was that they were called regarding the car, he picked it up and drove it back to St George.

And I wonder if Sarx can verify whether a scent dog can catch a scent more than a few days after the person has passed through an area?? IIRC air scent vs tracking scent dogs work differently and have different abilities, but even so it would be tough to get Steven's scent in an area like that 4 days after he was last seen?

 

[laytonian]

Does anyone know if Mr. Koecher just took the car home to St George before it was processed....the way the situation seemed to me was that they were called regarding the car, he picked it up and drove it back to St George.

Per Naegle (Thread #1, Post #60) - ...........and the car was never fingerprinted. The car showed no signs of criminal activity so the police had no reason to believe a crime was committed, therefore no fingerprinting .

You can see in the early news reports that Mr Koecher expressed some frustration with the events in the early days of the case, for instance his statements in the (Davis County Clipper, of which Mr Koecher is editor). That first "all-out" search didn't happen until Dec 30th.

 

[sarx]

Sure, if the dogs are trained working trails that age no problem. 4 days is not old at all. 24 hours aged is what is required for most testing, just an fyi.

 

[laytonian]

Sure, if the dogs are trained working trails that age no problem. 4 days is not old at all. 24 hours aged is what is required for most testing, just an fyi.

I'm curious: where is this "four days" coming from?

The search, with scent dogs did not begin in the Henderson neighborhood until at least Dec 30th.

Steven Koecher's car was parked there on Dec 13th.

That's at least 17 days, by my math.

 

[believe09]

Does anyone know if Mr. Koecher just took the car home to St George before it was processed....the way the situation seemed to me was that they were called regarding the car, he picked it up and drove it back to St George.

And I wonder if Sarx can verify whether a scent dog can catch a scent more than a few days after the person has passed through an area?? IIRC air scent vs tracking scent dogs work differently and have different abilities, but even so it would be tough to get Steven's scent in an area like that 4 days after he was last seen?

I'm curious: where is this "four days" coming from?

The search, with scent dogs did not begin in the Henderson neighborhood until at least Dec 30th.

Steven Koecher's car was parked there on Dec 13th.

That's at least 17 days, by my math.

BBM-he is referring to my post above, laytonian. If Stevens car was parked unattended for 4 days, could the dogs have picked up a scent then was my question...I must have worded it badly.

 

[believe09]

So, Mr. Koecher picked up the car and brought it back to St George. When was it processed?? I get that the police did not fingerprint, but who did the inventory on the vehicle? Was it family?

 

[laytonian]

BBM-he is referring to my post above, laytonian. If Stevens car was parked unattended for 4 days, could the dogs have picked up a scent then was my question...I must have worded it badly.

OK, I thought you two were speaking with some pre-knowledge.

Are you saying that IF the dogs had been called in immediately, we might have different results here?

I could understand drug dogs maybe picking something up while the car was sitting there, but they wouldn't have had Steven's scent to track, until the car was opened -- which was on the 18th. Five days later.

Steven's family didn't even know about the car until the 17th, and got there on the 18th. From what I understand, they couldn't convince anyone that their son was endangered, until much later....hence the Dec 30-31 search.

The drug dogs didn't go through the car, untl the family took it to SLC, some time after the Christmas weekend.

 

[laytonian]

So, Mr. Koecher picked up the car and brought it back to St George. When was it processed?? I get that the police did not fingerprint, but who did the inventory on the vehicle? Was it family?

The car was picked up and taken to St George, then home to Bountiful.
The family did the inventory.

I don't think they had a choice. The police did not see it as a crime scene, so they were on their own.

You read the Clipper article - right?

 

[carbuff]

Not meaning to put anybody down -- but it doesn't strike me as terribly helpful to spend so much time worrying about whether something like scent dogs could have been done differently -- it wasn't, and there's nothing we can do about it now.

 

[believe09]

I did, Laytonian, but recently have become quite sceptical of media reporting...aside from SWJaxon that is.

Thank you.

 

[believe09]

Does anyone know if Mr. Koecher just took the car home to St George before it was processed....the way the situation seemed to me was that they were called regarding the car, he picked it up and drove it back to St George.

And I wonder if Sarx can verify whether a scent dog can catch a scent more than a few days after the person has passed through an area?? IIRC air scent vs tracking scent dogs work differently and have different abilities, but even so it would be tough to get Steven's scent in an area like that 4 days after he was last seen?

I'm curious: where is this "four days" coming from?

The search, with scent dogs did not begin in the Henderson neighborhood until at least Dec 30th.

Steven Koecher's car was parked there on Dec 13th.

That's at least 17 days, by my math.

Not meaning to put anybody down -- but it doesn't strike me as terribly helpful to spend so much time worrying about whether something like scent dogs could have been done differently -- it wasn't, and there's nothing we can do about it now.

Good point-I am projecting all of this forward to the search....or upcoming searches.

I am quite curious as to if the search was just to smoke someone out-all of you who attended are relating a structure I am unfamiliar with, but hey I am still learning and perhaps everyone has their own style.

If it was to smoke someone or something out, wow...it was an interesting approach.

 

[laytonian]

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Good point-I am projecting all of this forward to the search....or upcoming searches.

The PI talked about upcoming searches on the FB page; you've read that - right?

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If it was to smoke someone or something out, wow...it was an interesting approach.

....and if it was, aren't we absolutely destroying whatever the intention was, through such public speculation?

 

[laytonian]

I did, Laytonian, but recently have become quite sceptical of media reporting...aside from SWJaxon that is.

Thank you.

That was Mr Koecher, Steven's father, with a valid POV. We don't get that kind of input very often, and I think it should at least be respected.

I don't understand why a distraught father's comments would be met with skepticism (ie, as if he had a sinister intent).

 

[hollyblue]

Just a little info:

http://www.people-finders.ws/Summary.asp?vw=people&input=name&fn=jeff&mn=&ln=bradshaw&city=&state=nv

Numbers 6,7 & 8 on the list.

Also found foreclosure and bank sale on JB. Sept/Dec if you'd like to see it, let me know. I don't know if linking that here would be appropriate.

ETA: I found the one of the names IWB interesting.

 

[Fairy1]

Just a little info:

http://www.people-finders.ws/Summary.asp?vw=people&input=name&fn=jeff&mn=&ln=bradshaw&city=&state=nv

Numbers 6,7 & 8 on the list.

Also found foreclosure and bank sale on JB. Sept/Dec if you'd like to see it, let me know. I don't know if linking that here would be appropriate.

ETA: I found the one of the names IWB interesting.

What's IWB?