NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #11

[Leomoon80]

The video of the SUV that came just after Steven rounded the corner.

Who is this and why were they there? You see the SUV twice in the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuWlw-hzqpc

 

[Paulette]

Leomoon, that is a realtor showing a house. Steven's phone was used in the early morning on the 14th Dec. to check his voice-mail, in the Las Vegas area. I can't find any info for the cell tower that was used or even the exact time.

 

[carbuff]

Excellent points, rd.

Most of the questions about the location go away if the other person had ties to the area -- "I'll pick you up in front of Great-Aunt Ellen's at noon," for instance.

I am amazed at how much this web-oriented bunch of sleuths discounts non-electronic modes of communication. A map sent by conventional mail or a phone call from a pay phone is all it would take. Less than that if Steven had been to the area before.

 

[carbuff]

Leomoon, that is a realtor showing a house. Steven's phone was used in the early morning on the 14th Dec. to check his voice-mail, in the Las Vegas area. I can't find any info for the cell tower that was used or even the exact time.

Correct, we don't have any more detail than that.

Apparently both Henderson LE and the family's PI have checked out the real estate agent and cleared her.

 

[laytonian]

The video of the SUV that came just after Steven rounded the corner.

Who is this and why were they there? You see the SUV twice in the video.

CAM3 Video

The SUV belongs to a realtor who had a noon appointment to show the home she parked in front of. She's been cleared of any connection.

 

[laytonian]

At the moment my thoughts are going over JZs use of SK's cell phone. Did SK tell his family that JZ used it to call his own family in Las Vegas? If this is the case I wonder if the PI has spoken to these family members of JZ, or the owners of the telephone numbers JZ did call from SK's cell phone.

I guess what I'm getting at is did JZ just tell SK he was calling family, and the calls were actually something hinky? This would mean some BG (bad guy) would be able to contact Steven via his cell phone. Did SK know something he shouldn't know due to JZ's phone calls on his cell phone?

Or were the phone calls on SK's cell phone actually made by himself, and he stated JZ used his cell phone to cover-up something? Who knows!

And, JZ doesn't have a pre-paid cell phone? Considering someone on WS mentioned he may have distributed narcotics one would think that JZ would need a cell phone to conduct business. Maybe JZ wasn't involved with any hinky business, and just didn't have any type of cell phone? He did have a job, so why didn't he pay rent either?

I only have questions it seems.

Can you refresh us on Steven letting Z use his phone? My mind is a blank this morning.

 

[carbuff]

...and maybe he'd still be around, if GW had chewed on him a bit about where he was, what he was doing, and why he was going to miss church because of it.

Sometimes, if someone's in a funk, knowing that they're wanted and needed could make all the difference.

I'm not entirely sure he was committed to whatever he planned to do, which could explain why he waited until noon to start walking.

IF he had a noon appointment, he'd have been late to arrive.

bbm

That's why I keep wondering about whether it might have been a social event. If you're interviewing, you want to be on-the-dot prompt, but you don't want to ring the doorbell as the last stroke of noon is fading for a noon anniversary party or retirement reception. That would also quite likely involve a snail-mailed invitation with included map.

You'd think the people who hosted the party would have mentioned it when the PI talked to them if that were the case, but more significant information has been overlooked in this case...

 

[laytonian]

bbm

That's why I keep wondering about whether it might have been a social event. If you're interviewing, you want to be on-the-dot prompt, but you don't want to ring the doorbell as the last stroke of noon is fading for a noon anniversary party or retirement reception. That would also quite likely involve a snail-mailed invitation with included map.

You'd think the people who hosted the party would have mentioned it when the PI talked to them if that were the case, but more significant information has been overlooked in this case...

Every time I think of a social event, I think of other people attending (witnesses to where he was) - and more cars driving up that street. Maybe there are, and we don't see them on the two videos?

 

[carbuff]

Every time I think of a social event, I think of other people attending (witnesses to where he was) - and more cars driving up that street. Maybe there are, and we don't see them on the two videos?

If the party was up at the main part of Evening Lights, or on that other little cul-de-sac, maybe nobody else drove down that far to park. We've been told Steven had a habit of driving past, parking, and walking back. Most people find that odd to say the least.

But yeah, the fact nobody else has mentioned it or come forward to say Steven was there is definitely a hole in that speculation

 

[laytonian]

If the party was up at the main part of Evening Lights, or on that other little cul-de-sac, maybe nobody else drove down that far to park. We've been told Steven had a habit of driving past, parking, and walking back. Most people find that odd to say the least.

But yeah, the fact nobody else has mentioned it or come forward to say Steven was there is definitely a hole in that speculation

I'm sorry. :innocent:

OK, what if everyone else WALKED to the party - and Steven was the only non-neighbor guest? Or there were not other guests. (We've done this one before.)

Apparently no one in SCA saw a thing. :banghead:

 

[carbuff]

I'm sorry. :innocent:

OK, what if everyone else WALKED to the party - and Steven was the only non-neighbor guest? Or there were not other guests. (We've done this one before.)

Apparently no one in SCA saw a thing. :banghead:

Or else we haven't thought of the right question to ask yet.

 

[laytonian]

Or else we haven't thought of the right question to ask yet.

OK, here's an odd idea to bounce off of:

Could the word "Anthem" have been of some significance to a young religious man? Could he have been led there through prayer, something at the temple, or something within his religion?

ALSO:
Community-style events for the weekend Dec 11th-14th

Like maybe he's a big fan of Mannheim Steamroller and someone he knew also wanted to go?

Las Vegas Sun - any value in looking through the online editions for news items that may have attracted Steven, particularly to the SCA area but not especially so? Make sure you're always looking at stories for that back date:
Dec 10th, 2009
Dec 11th, 2009
Dec 12th, 2009
Dec 13th, 2009

 

[Lato]

Can you refresh us on Steven letting Z use his phone? My mind is a blank this morning.

laytonian....I'm not sure that this is the information Sin City is talking about...but I searched for the above information, and way back in January,
Naegle left the following in one of her posts. There is also discussion from
a variety of posters.

On 1-17-2010, Naegle's Post #419....-Does Jordan Zirkle (steven's roommate) have family in Vegas as he claims? He made lots of calls to Vegas to "family" .



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[Leomoon80]

At the moment my thoughts are going over JZs use of SK's cell phone. Did SK tell his family that JZ used it to call his own family in Las Vegas? If this is the case I wonder if the PI has spoken to these family members of JZ, or the owners of the telephone numbers JZ did call from SK's cell phone.

I guess what I'm getting at is did JZ just tell SK he was calling family, and the calls were actually something hinky? This would mean some BG (bad guy) would be able to contact Steven via his cell phone. Did SK know something he shouldn't know due to JZ's phone calls on his cell phone?

Or were the phone calls on SK's cell phone actually made by himself, and he stated JZ used his cell phone to cover-up something? Who knows!

And, JZ doesn't have a pre-paid cell phone? Considering someone on WS mentioned he may have distributed narcotics one would think that JZ would need a cell phone to conduct business. Maybe JZ wasn't involved with any hinky business, and just didn't have any type of cell phone? He did have a job, so why didn't he pay rent either?

I only have questions it seems.

WHO precisely is JZ and what is the connection to Steven?

Does anyone have his date of birth (this JZ guy?) and where he is from originally? Is this the person who supposedly
left Steven "high and dry" with the rent money if they shared a house?

Thanks,

Leomoon

 

[carbuff]

WHO precisely is JZ and what is the connection to Steven?

Does anyone have his date of birth (this JZ guy?) and where he is from originally? Is this the person who supposedly
left Steven "high and dry" with the rent money if they shared a house?

Thanks,

Leomoon

JZ is the person who shared the rental house in St. George. We know very little about him. Yes, he's the person who supposedly finked out on his rent and left Steven holding the bag.

You can get quick answers to most questions like this from the timeline (pointer in Laytonian's signature line). It contains most of our researched and verified information, as well as background, related cases, scenarios, etc. Usually a lot quicker than waiting for somebody who knows the answer to read and reply.

 

[Leomoon80]

JZ is the person who shared the rental house in St. George. We know very little about him. Yes, he's the person who supposedly finked out on his rent and left Steven holding the bag.

You can get quick answers to most questions like this from the timeline (pointer in Laytonian's signature line). It contains most of our researched and verified information, as well as background, related cases, scenarios, etc. Usually a lot quicker than waiting for somebody who knows the answer to read and reply.

I need his date of birth. I found him on various sites (Facebook acct. closed)
but there are 3 others. I see there is a connection with a girl from Las Vegas
who is a member of "Hotties?"

Doesn't seem to be quite in line at all with a nice religious Mormon young man's values.

IF anyone has the date of birth, I'd appreciate knowing it.

I see the location being West Monroe La. age 25

 

[RubyRed]

Birthdate is 1st of Nov. 1979, Amarillo TX.

I think she wants JZ birthday.

 

[Leomoon80]

I think she wants JZ birthday.

LOL, the "squeaky wheel gets the oil":innocent:

Laytonian:
I'm talking about JZ (closed his facebook acct.).....but there are 3 other images (photos) and references for "other accts>
When you google you can find them. When I found one site, I managed to get the photo of "the Hottie" girl from Las Vegas photo
as connected to his friends , but when I went back
to it, it said, "shared with members only". Rather frustrating to say the least.

 

[laytonian]

I think she wants JZ birthday.

I read it the same way (wanting SK's).

Even Z's landlady didn't know his birth date; she came here to ask us, and we referred her to the Washington County Sheriff's office.

Skinny little guy, is how he's described.

 

[laytonian]

LOL, the "squeaky wheel gets the oil":innocent:

Laytonian:
I'm talking about JZ (closed his facebook acct.).....but there are 3 other images (photos) and references for "other accts>
When you google you can find them. When I found one site, I managed to get the photo of "the Hottie" girl from Las Vegas photo
as connected to his friends , but when I went back
to it, it said, "shared with members only". Rather frustrating to say the least.

Since I had misunderstood what you were asking, I removed my post but you had already found it.

You can check through early WS postings, and see some sleuthing that's been done. All was fruitless. No one really knows much about him, including the people he rented from (apparently, they did no background checks because they'd have otherwise known his DOB).