NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #11

[rd_jfc]

I saw enough from your answers that he wasn't geared up to stay in Vegas multiple days job hunting or even overnight. So I've adjusted that part of my thinking.

On suicide, what kind of suicide is that? Hypothermia? I see no basis for it, and no actions that indicate it.

On disappearance, it would take a really romanticized vision of disappearing to take that seriously. From the moment he walked away from that car the things he brought with him, cell phone, wallet, are no good anymore. Things he didn't bring with him, blankets, shaving stuff maybe toothbrush and like, are things he will need within hours. Without them, hypothermia.

On being where he was when he parked his car, I am struck by the uniqueness of that location. The street ends in a nice little turnaround, looks like it was created by keeping the street cut off from next subdivision over but was built to go straight through. There are other cul-de-sacs on the map but they look like they are normal cul-de-sacs with a ring of homes around them. I think the odds that he found his way into this subdivision and found the only quiet end of street cul-de-sac in the entire area to park his car for something not specific to Evening Lights or on around the corner a bit on next street is next to nil. But someone who knew the area and chose that spot to tell him to park his car when they could have chose any quiet Sunday parking lot is also hard to believe.

I saw where an SUV caught on the surveillance video driving by around that time was a rel estate agent showing homes, but was vehicle parked at corner that is said to reflect Steven's image in the video ever identified?

I am puzzled at what happened in between the leaving St. George at 10:30 pm and driving up to the end of that street and walking away at noon. Was this the purpose of driving to Las Vegas, or a byproduct after getting there?

Did anyone look at the ads in the December 13th Las Vegas Sunday paper?

rd

 

[Fairy1]

I saw enough from your answers that he wasn't geared up to stay in Vegas multiple days job hunting or even overnight. So I've adjusted that part of my thinking.

On suicide, what kind of suicide is that? Hypothermia? I see no basis for it, and no actions that indicate it.

On disappearance, it would take a really romanticized vision of disappearing to take that seriously. From the moment he walked away from that car the things he brought with him, cell phone, wallet, are no good anymore. Things he didn't bring with him, blankets, shaving stuff maybe toothbrush and like, are things he will need within hours. Without them, hypothermia.

On being where he was when he parked his car, I am struck by the uniqueness of that location. The street ends in a nice little turnaround, looks like it was created by keeping the street cut off from next subdivision over but was built to go straight through. There are other cul-de-sacs on the map but they look like they are normal cul-de-sacs with a ring of homes around them. I think the odds that he found his way into this subdivision and found the only quiet end of street cul-de-sac in the entire area to park his car for something not specific to Evening Lights or on around the corner a bit on next street is next to nil. But someone who knew the area and chose that spot to tell him to park his car when they could have chose any quiet Sunday parking lot is also hard to believe.

I saw where an SUV caught on the surveillance video driving by around that time was a rel estate agent showing homes, but was vehicle parked at corner that is said to reflect Steven's image in the video ever identified?

I am puzzled at what happened in between the leaving St. George at 10:30 pm and driving up to the end of that street and walking away at noon. Was this the purpose of driving to Las Vegas, or a byproduct after getting there?

Did anyone look at the ads in the December 13th Las Vegas Sunday paper?

rd

BBM - we really don't know what time Steven actually left St. George.

 

[ding174]

The only bad feeling I have against ANY of those church friends who talked to Steven that morning, is this: WTH didn't any of you THINK to ask him what he was doing there?

isnt it obvious by now why they didnt ask.

because they knew.:waitasec::waitasec:

 

[ding174]

and why havent they revealed the reason till now.

because the subject is taboo.

 

[jmarple]

Couldn't the church have helped him catch up on his rent and get groceries? His Bishop obviously knew he was in trouble, why wouldn't he step up and offer to straighten things out ASAP? Isn't that what the church is there to do - help their own?

The Bishop has a lot of latitude in determining when and how much help to give a member. He must assertain whether the person asking for help has any disposable assets, has family that can contribute financially, and that the person asking for help is willing to do some volunteer work to "pay back" what he will receive. Sometimes when people come to the Bishop they don't tell him their needs or say they will be "fine" without any help. If Steven had told his Bishop his needs were dire, I'm sure the Bishop would have (or should have) helped immediately. The LDS church has a handbook that describes all the procedures for aiding members.

 

[ding174]

The only bad feeling I have against ANY of those church friends who talked to Steven that morning, is this: WTH didn't any of you THINK to ask him what he was doing there?

also review your timeline. im focused on the conversation between GW and Sk about covering for the meeting "as he was passing the raceway"

cell phone records show that the call lasted 2 MINUTES. time it like i did and guess what? that is a LONG TIME to be on the phone. in fact too long for two people to say "hey budy i cant make the meeting blah blah blah can you cover for me?" "sorry no can do im in vegas blah blah blah" "oh your in vegas too - well hey buddy dont worry i think i can still make it blah blah blah" " ok thanks" "hey no sweat man see you later take care bye" if it went like this by my watch it could have been said in 30 -45 seconds.

what else was said between them in an additional 1 minute and a half to 1 minute and 15 seconds? A WHOLE LOT MORE!:waitasec:

 

[sbakker]

I still think one did ask and does know, why he was there.

I am with you Ruby. My thought is, something from St. George led him to Henderson. He did not have alot of phone calls from that person, because they probably talked in person. Maybe they talked at church, or maybe at work.

 

[rd_jfc]

Hi Fairy1, it's in timeline that a neighbor saw him arrive at 10 pm and leave about 10:30pm. You mean that we don't know he left directly for Vegas then? True, but question still remains, that's a long time between last seen and parking in Henderson and walking away, especially if his only intent to go there was to be at that spot at noon.

rd

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

Webrocket seems to have been right. There was a request for people to post their memories of SK on the discussion site, and only the aunt has obliged. That leaves many a question within itself.

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=225335012614&topic=32396

And she is not really his aunt anymore since she his uncle and her are divorced.

 

[sbakker]

Hi Fairy1, it's in timeline that a neighbor saw him arrive at 10 pm and leave about 10:30pm. You mean that we don't know he left directly for Vegas then? True, but question still remains, that's a long time between last seen and parking in Henderson and walking away, especially if his only intent to go there was to be at that spot at noon.

rd

That is a long time! he could have gone to Vegas, and brought his blankets, because he was going to stay with someone. One of his other friends was down there staying with friends, maybe he joined them?

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

When you have your phone turned off and people are calling but don't leave messages, do these calls still show up on the call log with the phone company?

If these calls did show up, they might show "frantic" calls Monday, Tuesday, etc.... from someone, or they might show NO calls from someone. Which would tell me that someone was worried something went wrong, or knew something went wrong.

 

[sbakker]

also review your timeline. im focused on the conversation between GW and Sk about covering for the meeting "as he was passing the raceway"

cell phone records show that the call lasted 2 MINUTES. time it like i did and guess what? that is a LONG TIME to be on the phone. in fact too long for two people to say "hey budy i cant make the meeting blah blah blah can you cover for me?" "sorry no can do im in vegas blah blah blah" "oh your in vegas too - well hey buddy dont worry i think i can still make it blah blah blah" " ok thanks" "hey no sweat man see you later take care bye" if it went like this by my watch it could have been said in 30 -45 seconds.

what else was said between them in an additional 1 minute and a half to 1 minute and 15 seconds? A WHOLE LOT MORE!:waitasec:

Like maybe giving him directions how to get somewhere?

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

That is a long time! he could have gone to Vegas, and brought his blankets, because he was going to stay with someone. One of his other friends was down there staying with friends, maybe he joined them?

Maybe he did, but for some reason, we can't get ANY of those answers.

 

[rd_jfc]

When you have your phone turned off and people are calling but don't leave messages, do these calls still show up on the call log with the phone company?

If these calls did show up, they might show "frantic" calls Monday, Tuesday, etc.... from someone, or they might show NO calls from someone. Which would tell me that someone was worried something went wrong, or knew something went wrong.

I don't know, but if cell phone is off and it would go to voice mail but no voice mail available, I would think that would be logged just as if placed to a cell tower or voice mail rather than info tossed, in my opinion.

They go through the effort of determining if number is online, if voice mail is available if not, etc. They are bound to log that effort.

rd

 

[hollyblue]

also review your timeline. im focused on the conversation between GW and Sk about covering for the meeting "as he was passing the raceway"

cell phone records show that the call lasted 2 MINUTES. time it like i did and guess what? that is a LONG TIME to be on the phone. in fact too long for two people to say "hey budy i cant make the meeting blah blah blah can you cover for me?" "sorry no can do im in vegas blah blah blah" "oh your in vegas too - well hey buddy dont worry i think i can still make it blah blah blah" " ok thanks" "hey no sweat man see you later take care bye" if it went like this by my watch it could have been said in 30 -45 seconds.

what else was said between them in an additional 1 minute and a half to 1 minute and 15 seconds? A WHOLE LOT MORE!:waitasec:

Your right ding, as I thought about the scenario of him sitting and waiting in his car for 5.5 minutes. That is a very long time ---what was he doing, if anything, ----on the phone...shaving? I know other's may not agree, but I feel there is a possible connection to the SUV. If you watch that video, Steven would be existing the car about the time he could have seen it coming down SS. He's waiting, SUV appears down the street, he starts walking, SUV goes by and turns around and stops in front of RT's business. Maybe they are a realtor, but I still feel a connection is there.

 

[laytonian]

I saw enough from your answers that he wasn't geared up to stay in Vegas multiple days job hunting or even overnight. So I've adjusted that part of my thinking.

On suicide, what kind of suicide is that? Hypothermia? I see no basis for it, and no actions that indicate it.

On disappearance, it would take a really romanticized vision of disappearing to take that seriously. From the moment he walked away from that car the things he brought with him, cell phone, wallet, are no good anymore. Things he didn't bring with him, blankets, shaving stuff maybe toothbrush and like, are things he will need within hours. Without them, hypothermia.

On being where he was when he parked his car, I am struck by the uniqueness of that location. The street ends in a nice little turnaround, looks like it was created by keeping the street cut off from next subdivision over but was built to go straight through. There are other cul-de-sacs on the map but they look like they are normal cul-de-sacs with a ring of homes around them. I think the odds that he found his way into this subdivision and found the only quiet end of street cul-de-sac in the entire area to park his car for something not specific to Evening Lights or on around the corner a bit on next street is next to nil. But someone who knew the area and chose that spot to tell him to park his car when they could have chose any quiet Sunday parking lot is also hard to believe.

I saw where an SUV caught on the surveillance video driving by around that time was a rel estate agent showing homes, but was vehicle parked at corner that is said to reflect Steven's image in the video ever identified?

I am puzzled at what happened in between the leaving St. George at 10:30 pm and driving up to the end of that street and walking away at noon. Was this the purpose of driving to Las Vegas, or a byproduct after getting there?

Did anyone look at the ads in the December 13th Las Vegas Sunday paper?

rd

We really don't know where he went, after neighbor JS saw him leave about 10:30pm; he could have gone to buy milk, and returned ten minutes later.

The vehicle you see, with Steven's reflection, is one of two cars parked in Mr Security's carport.

There's plenty of free papers down there, full of job ads. I think he'd have had to be looking in something published on Friday or later, since he drove south on Saturday, also.

Thank you for noticing what's different about that cul de sac.

The gate at the end means it opens....and if you look carefully at the Overlook Village neighborhood, Laurel Heights is the only entrance/exit. So, that gated cul de sac would serve as an emergency/additional exit if Laurel Heights was blocked for some reason.

I've scanned the satellite image several times, and see no other cul de sac that has no homes built around it. That makes it a perfect, hidden (it's behind the walls), temporary parking place. Whether it was predetermined, we really don't know. Obviously, you can see that cul de sac from the other side of the gate - visible to several homes, actually.

 

[laytonian]

When you have your phone turned off and people are calling but don't leave messages, do these calls still show up on the call log with the phone company?

If these calls did show up, they might show "frantic" calls Monday, Tuesday, etc.... from someone, or they might show NO calls from someone. Which would tell me that someone was worried something went wrong, or knew something went wrong.

The calls do show up, including the voicemails (which the family and LE were able to listen to, even without Steven's phone being available).

You're right -- the incoming calls would be very important.

 

[sbakker]

Your right ding, as I thought about the scenario of him sitting and waiting in his car for 5.5 minutes. That is a very long time ---what was he doing, if anything, ----on the phone...shaving? I know other's may not agree, but I feel there is a possible connection to the SUV. If you watch that video, Steven would be existing the car about the time he could have seen it coming down SS. He's waiting, SUV appears down the street, he starts walking, SUV goes by and turns around and stops in front of RT's business. Maybe they are a realtor, but I still feel a connection is there.

I think the SUV is a strong possibility. I agree, so what if he was a realator? Why does that mean he or she are not suspects? What were they supposed to say:"Oh yeah Steven,we took him". I hope that avenue has been very well investigated. But has anything been very well investigated?

 

[hollyblue]

I think the SUV is a strong possibility. I agree, so what if he was a realator? Why does that mean he or she are not suspects? What were they supposed to say:"Oh yeah Steven,we took him". I hope that avenue has been very well investigated. But has anything been very well investigated?

I'm sure it has been investigated, but I doubt we will ever find out any other info.....like what the whole story was with GW. I've tried to see the licence plate number by zooming in on that video---but it is useless.

 

[laytonian]

I think the SUV is a strong possibility. I agree, so what if he was a realator? Why does that mean he or she are not suspects? What were they supposed to say:"Oh yeah Steven,we took him". I hope that avenue has been very well investigated. But has anything been very well investigated?

According to our friend swjaxon's report which is linked on the timeline (8newsnow): "They tracked down the owner of an SUV seen driving up and down the street in the surveillance video. It turned out to be a real estate agent showing a house."

"Showing a house" = clients = visible on later parts of the video (meaning her story would be easily confirmed).

Apparently, noon appointments may be common in that neighborhood