NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #11

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  • #461
It is my belief that it is Steven in the videos. IMO, there's enough of him walking and showing his posture for those who know him to determine whether it's him or not, so I will defer to them on this point.

Add to that the fact that he told two people that morning that he was in Vegas, we see what is definitely his car go by in the video and minutes later see a man who looks remarkably like him walk from the direction of that car. To me, that equals a logical conclusion. In a case where logic is hard to come by - I'll take what I can get!

I am curious, though. For those who don't believe it is Steven in the video, what is your theory as to what happened to him and how his car wound up in SCA?
 
  • #462
RD-can you enhance the video enough to see the reflection of Steven walking in the window of the minivan which is in Mr Securitie's driveway/garage?

The figure passes in front of the camera and turns onto Evening Lights. If you look at the mini van window, you can see a reflection of the figure continuing to walk.

We have had many animated conversations regarding what we think we see in the reflection.
 
  • #463
There's a comment of Steven's facebook page from a man named Craig.

He said: "A little update for everybody. I went to the neighborhood again yesterday where Steven went missing and talked to numerous persons that have not been talked to before. Very interesting comments and observations from residents there. Nothing earth shattering but I appreciate that people who do not know Steven are so con...cerned and truly helpful. Also Steven's missing fliers are still up on mailboxes which is great." April 16 at 7:21am

Notice the date, April 16th. Maybe a new sweep of the neighborhood is called for, just in case someone w/info was missed.
 
  • #464
I see a ball cap.

I see the bill of the ball cap silhouetted against the lighter background, when the male figure first walks into view (00:33 - 00:37) in the CAM3 video. I only see the bill of the cap while the figure's head is against that lighter background. The cap's bill is most visible when the figure ducks his head a bit as the SUV approaches, then raises his head a few seconds later.

I don't see a boombox, though. Those are elongated, thick objects - and I believe the figure is clasping a thin and squarish item between his left arm and left side. I cannot specifically identify the item as a portfolio; it could just as easily be a folded-up sweatshirt or jacket. It's never looked exactly square, nor clunky like a boombox. I'm not even sure you could carry a boombox that way, securely. .

Since boomboxes went away about 15 years ago, it would be distinctive to see someone carry one in a retirement neighborhood. But...the reason for carrying one of the big things, was to hear and share your loud music (not to carry something big and heavy so you could plug in headphones). IMO

I realize the family and many others are sure it's Steven in the video. Someone who didn't even know him, told me they are 100% positive it's him. His father couldn't recognize him on the fuzzy Best Buy/Home Depot (whatever) video...so why on this one? Because of the car? The movement? Something we're not aware of?

Until there's confirmation of what tells them it's positively Steven, I believe there's room for error.

Excellent laytonian. In the one image still posted, the bill is not visible but excellent that you can see in video. Non-balding makes it possible to be Steven again in terms of physical features.

Well, I've been through a few decades laytonian and yes, I know only too well what you're saying, and also know I have no clue about current culture. On other hand, I have Google and Google Images to make up for it.

So of course what you just said was first thing that went through my mind last night. Boom box? Stereo headphones? Surely must be something else.

However I did some searching on images and looked at the pages they were on and guess what, earmuff headphones were very prominently displayed in latest gear type ads. And then I saw boombox bags, something I didn't even know existed, because, like you said, didn't people carry those things or whatever, on the shoulder and blasting and whatnot.

But no, from ads it seems this is some kind of thing, carrying personal boombox in bag and wearing big stereo headphones, a very personal thing obviously. They also prominently mentioned iPod hookups, as in I guess amounts to a stereo receiver amp for an iPod, who knows. It was very late and the images were real clear, what I was seeing in the picture comes right up in current gear type ads, so I didn't delve into psychology of it.

From the image the object underneath his arm I took to be a sports type bag slanted upward, from back of hip to up in front of shoulder, but when I brightened and contrasted the image two things became obvious, the object under his arm extended to the front and was more squarish than I had been able to tell with it embedded in the dark. The other was a dark shape over his head that abruptly stops around the ears. The side of his face can clearly be seen out in front of what looks like stereo headphones to me.

Here's the two images, enlarged and enlarged but brightened and with some contrast:

Steven Koecher disappears in Henderson NV - pictures
http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4305

Although the bag now has some linear quality to it, it still looks has plenty of non-uniformity to it. I was trying to figure out what object he could be carrying in the bag. But when I looked at stereo headphones, I see boombox bags advertised as well, and doggone if this doesn't look like one, especially with what looks like headphones and references to plugging in your iPod, etc.

Now just like with the ball cap, which I am glad we're able to determine from elsewhere in the video, there are other possibilities on the bag but it looks like it is pretty big and he has his arm around it (boombox bag has shoulder strap though, as well as any other bag), and is definitely not a folder. SK's hobo bag? An argument could be made for it, but you couldn't walk very far like that imo.

I did some searching also on whether it was reasonable to have a wide white strip on the pants such as warmup pants, or whether that was light colored and a shadow, and an argument can be made for light colored and a shadow instead of a wide stripe. I'm open to this being SK carrying something or other alternatives, in fact as I look at it I can see that the abrupt stop around his ears lines up with a shadow, so not headphones.

Ok, SK carrying something sizeable but wearing a baseball cap. The black around his pants leg would be a shadow as well.

Maybe the shape of what he's carrying can give us some ideas?

rd
 
  • #465
There's a comment of Steven's facebook page from a man named Craig.

He said: "A little update for everybody. I went to the neighborhood again yesterday where Steven went missing and talked to numerous persons that have not been talked to before. Very interesting comments and observations from residents there. Nothing earth shattering but I appreciate that people who do not know Steven are so con...cerned and truly helpful. Also Steven's missing fliers are still up on mailboxes which is great." April 16 at 7:21am

Notice the date, April 16th. Maybe a new sweep of the neighborhood is called for, just in case someone w/info was missed.

Craig is the PI working for the family.
 
  • #466
I'm sorry - I just don't see a ball cap or anything resembling a boom box.

I will say that Naegle told us long ago that Steven often wore baseball caps.
 
  • #467
If you can upload your images to your webspace, I'll be happy to put your analysis on a timeline page. All's fair, and easy to find.

hi laytonian, have just posted a response to your post and put the link in it. Will be very happy to have it included in timeline if it helps. We'll know more after we kick it around in this thread a bit. I hope it helps.

rd
 
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  • #469
I want to add that the family and the PI have been able to review much more surveillance video than we've seen. That may have aided them in determining it is Steven in the video we've seen. Don't know - but wish we did!
 
  • #470
RD-can you enhance the video enough to see the reflection of Steven walking in the window of the minivan which is in Mr Securitie's driveway/garage?

The figure passes in front of the camera and turns onto Evening Lights. If you look at the mini van window, you can see a reflection of the figure continuing to walk.

We have had many animated conversations regarding what we think we see in the reflection.

That's a good suggestion, believe09. I have to get some stuff set up to try that. I haven't seen the video but read a lot of that discussion. Thanks for the suggestion.
 
  • #471
I would most love to know the dates and times of any library computer use
in December.

We have assumed that he used the library computer, but I don't know that
this was verified.

How about use of the Ward Computer - if there is one.

I think there is a trail that we have not investigated....and probably will not
know until someone decides to speak up.
SNIPPED

Regarding the Ward Computer... usage is restricted, although his Elders Quorum assignment might have allowed him access to that computer, it is kept in a locked office and is password controlled. Other internet access very limited and controlled, only LDS sites and some genealogy sites on computers in the Family History Library, if that building had a library (not all buildings have genealogy libraries).
I would eliminate using church computers for whatever SK was doing.
 
  • #472
It is my belief that it is Steven in the videos. IMO, there's enough of him walking and showing his posture for those who know him to determine whether it's him or not, so I will defer to them on this point.

Add to that the fact that he told two people that morning that he was in Vegas, we see what is definitely his car go by in the video and minutes later see a man who looks remarkably like him walk from the direction of that car. To me, that equals a logical conclusion. In a case where logic is hard to come by - I'll take what I can get!

I am curious, though. For those who don't believe it is Steven in the video, what is your theory as to what happened to him and how his car wound up in SCA?

I'm just not *convinced* it's him in the video. Nothing in this case has me convinced of any possibility. I muddle around one theory, then move towards something else.

The "it's not Stephen" scenarios (1-5) show various possibilities.
The only "cons" are the emotional ones (it's not him, he wouldn't do that, etc).

I keep reading about "what are we missing" or "there's an elephant in the room and we can't see it." What IF that missing piece/elephant is the possiblity that someone else dumped his car, and walked away? All that would require, is that he became a crime victim before parking, rather than after - and allows someone familiar with the area to park there.

Then again, I'm the one who can see him randomly parking there, because anywhere he'd parked in that area, would be seen as strange.
 
  • #473
I want to add that the family and the PI have been able to review much more surveillance video than we've seen. That may have aided them in determining it is Steven in the video we've seen. Don't know - but wish we did!

Absolutely. There may be another camera view that we don't see (although I can't imagine why). It would have been aimed west, right towards the car. Why wouldn't someone with CAM3 and CAM7 have more than two cameras?

Does anyone else see a possible camera aimed west, in your pictures 4 and 5[/B]?

Folks here who have security cameras, may recognize what I'm seeing (I'm more used to traffic and sign-monitoring systems).

If there are other views, or other info, I'd sure like to know it.

Myself, I can just look at what's been made available to us.
 
  • #474
hi laytonian, have just posted a response to your post and put the link in it. Will be very happy to have it included in timeline if it helps. We'll know more after we kick it around in this thread a bit. I hope it helps.

rd

Thank you! I'll put it on a separate page, with a pointer. The timeline page is so big, it's starting to crash when I try to add/edit, so I need to do some reformatting this weekend.

Naegle and Fairy1 have their own picture pages. You'll get yours, too.
 
  • #475
I'm just not *convinced* it's him in the video. Nothing in this case has me convinced of any possibility. I muddle around one theory, then move towards something else.

The "it's not Stephen" scenarios (1-5) show various possibilities.
The only "cons" are the emotional ones (it's not him, he wouldn't do that, etc).

I keep reading about "what are we missing" or "there's an elephant in the room and we can't see it." What IF that missing piece/elephant is the possiblity that someone else dumped his car, and walked away? All that would require, is that he became a crime victim before parking, rather than after - and allows someone familiar with the area to park there.

Then again, I'm the one who can see him randomly parking there, because anywhere he'd parked in that area, would be seen as strange.

I respect that. But if Steven was the victim of a crime, it would have been here in Vegas and I believe he would have been found by now.

I do believe Steven was on surveillance video other than in the SCA neighborhood, but it was too late to find it by the time the puzzle started being put together.

JMOHO
 
  • #476
I'm sorry - I just don't see a ball cap or anything resembling a boom box.

I will say that Naegle told us long ago that Steven often wore baseball caps.

That really helps. The only question in the picture now is what he is carrying.

When you look at image still, you can see hair above collar but then back of head is white. That's where cap is.

What he's carrying is I agree, not a boombox, I was thinking possibly a boombox bag, but is not. Maybe shape of what he's carrying can give us some ideas.

rd
 
  • #477
Still waiting to hear the theories based on that NOT BEING Steven in the videos.
 
  • #478
I respect that. But if Steven was the victim of a crime, it would have been here in Vegas and I believe he would have been found by now.

I believe he *should have been* found by now, regardless of what happened. If he's alive, he's pulled off the perfect disappearance.

Even that creep Nick Francisco who was found after disappearing, had left clues (large withdrawals, etc).

I do believe Steven was on surveillance video other than in the SCA neighborhood, but it was too late to find it by the time the puzzle started being put together.
JMOHO

I think they tried.

"After having exhausted every clue and avenue of help at our disposal, we sadly returned to Bountiful on Christmas Eve, arriving late in the evening because we stopped in Mesquite, Nev., and St. George, to track down other surveillance tapes and examine my son’s apartment together with police — and to talk with news reporters." Rolf Koecher.

IIRC, the security tape at the Mesquite gas station had already been recorded over. We never found out anything about Kmart, Walmart or other St George places that his receipts/bank records showed recent purchases in.
 
  • #479
Still waiting to hear the theories based on that NOT BEING Steven in the videos.

I believe it is Steven in the video.
 
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