NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #12

[believe09]

So we have a man who looks like Steven to his family and friends.....park a car and walk in front of security cameras....after talking to church members twice that morning and telling them that he was in Las Vegas...and the cell phone that is known to be Stevens is used to answer those calls.

We don't know why he was there....it's a big empty hole....nothing on paper or in his computer...that we know of, but I think by now that there is much more that is known. I think his family and PI/LE know why
he was there. That is why they have all gone silent. That is why there is nothing of substance on the
facebook page. That is why there are no more news articles. We are in a holding pattern until something
breaks.

I am still a "he is Steven" advocate. Anything else is so darn complex.

Not to put to fine a point on it, but I believe it is a man who IS Steven on the tape to family and friends...I dont think they just think he looks like Steven....

 

[believe09]

And, just to add, I think that the walk by the security camera was deliberately arranged, or it was just good luck for SK that he overshot his address and parked in the cul de sac at all....

 

[Paulette]

And, just to add, I think that the walk by the security camera was deliberately arranged, or it was just good luck for SK that he overshot his address and parked in the cul de sac at all....

I live in Somerset in Reno. It's a Del Webb community just like SCA. There isn't a great deal of parking space in front of the homes. In fact some houses can't even accomodate parking a compact car on the street, in front of your own house! Only one person has to be 55. We have people pushing baby strollers here.

I've googled the houses in SCA that are for sale through the SCA site. You can click on a house & see the interior & the back & front yards. They look exactly alike ours, same floor plans. All living takes place in the back of the house - except for a little room that faces the street - it has no door, is just open.

You can't google the "walking man" for Anthem, it's been disabled. I can't tell if there's room for parking a car or not on the street. But you can imagine there's room on EL for at least one car. So why did he park by the mailboxes? He drives straight down the street like he knew where he was going & had been there before.

He sure doesn't look like he knew there was a fish-eye camera recording his arrival and walking past the Marshall's house. If he had & was up to no good, he would have taken steps to avoid being captured on film. AND, that goes for the person that lured him to SCA - he/she didn't know about the camera either, or he wouldn't have told Steven to park by the mailboxes. (if indeed this is the case)

If Steven had been there before, why wasn't he caught by the camera?

That says to me that he drove there randomly and walked away from his life.

 

[RubyRed]

Not to put to fine a point on it, but I believe it is a man who IS Steven on the tape to family and friends...I dont think they just think he looks like Steven....

Maybe it is just wishful thinking, and I try to work through all the scenarios, but I am also a "he is Steven" advocate.

Count me as another advocate. I agree it is Steven.

 

[laytonian]

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Count me as another advocate. I agree it is Steven.

I don't know Steven, so I can't say one way or another.

But there is/are family member(s) who have wondered if it's him on the security video.

 

[RubyRed]

I don't know Steven, so I can't say one way or another.

But there is/are family member(s) who have wondered if it's him on the security video.

I based my decision on the parents saying it was him. Gsmith said it was him. Are the family members now saying they do not think it is him?

 

[laytonian]

So we have a man who looks like Steven to his family and friends.....park a car and walk in front of security cameras....after talking to church members twice that morning and telling them that he was in Las Vegas...and the cell phone that is known to be Stevens is used to answer those calls.

We don't know why he was there....it's a big empty hole....nothing on paper or in his computer...that we know of, but I think by now that there is much more that is known. I think his family and PI/LE know why
he was there. That is why they have all gone silent. That is why there is nothing of substance on the
facebook page. That is why there are no more news articles. We are in a holding pattern until something
breaks.

I am still a "he is Steven" advocate. Anything else is so darn complex.

....and I think anything else is more complex.

Based on what we know, we have no explanation for why Steven parked the car there.
We can't even explain HOW he found that spot.
Or why.
Or why he missed church to park there.
If it's not Steven on the video, we need no explanation.

I don't believe the walk by the security camera was arranged; that adds to the complexity. To me, no matter who parked the car would have wanted to NOT be on security. In fact, parking in a residential neighborhood, behind a sound wall, is about the most private place you can find.

Why "arrange" a walk by Mr Security's house, when you could have parked right under any of the thousands of better security cameras in Vegas?

If you were trying to fool people into thinking it was Steven, you'd find a way to alert LE as to the crime. You wouldn't wait, because security tapes may have been erased.

As for "looking like" Steven, we see an average male figure walk for about 50 feet, turn a corner and walk about 50 (disregarding the even-more unidentifiable reflection).

As carbuff says, it at least should be investigated UNLESS there is firm evidence to the contrary.

And if there is such evidence, why isn't this a criminal case being investigated by LE?

 

[laytonian]

I based my decision on the parents saying it was him. Gsmith said it was him. Are the family members now saying they do not think it is him?

It's been questioned; I do not know what the current belief of one or more family members is.

 

[RubyRed]

It's been questioned; I do not know what the current belief of one or more family members is.

This is so messed up. We are back at square one if it is not believed to be him.

 

[laytonian]

But WHY? Why would someone kill him?

As I said" "There's an altercation that turns physical. Steven is killed (perhaps strangled)."

So, he would still be in UT.

I see a possibility. What if the altercation happened *after* he spoke to his church friends? There's a gap of about two hours available for something to have happened.

So, it would be someone who knew him fairly well.

But WHY SCA? There are plenty of places in UT where the perp could have left the car. Why in Henderson?

Why NOT? (I won't repeat the Cary Stayner "random" theory - we've been through that.)

The answer is also: ANY place the car was found, could lead to a WHY THERE? question.

IMO, Steven's murderer wouldn't care if the car was found. He/She could have put him in the car and sent it over a cliff - in Utah!

What would that do? It would show clear "planting" and staging, and an autopsy would show other wounds.

If you're covering up a crime, would you cover it up in your neighborhood - or try to make people think it happened hours away?

I'm just trying to keep minds open. OBVIOUSLY, there's that elephant in the room that's being missed.

 

[believe09]

It's been questioned; I do not know what the current belief of one or more family members is.

I missed this-can anyone refer me to a link or a post reflecting this viewpoint? TIA!

 

[laytonian]

This is so messed up. We are back at square one if it is not believed to be him.

I didn't say that "it's not believed to be him".

I'm saying that not everyone (in the large family) has been convinced.
Unless they've changed their mind, I'm just keeping the possibility open.

It's not "square one".
It's the one theory that's not politically-correct to discuss here.

The area around SCA has been searched multiple times. Nothing's been found. Why isn't there another possibility - that something happened to Steven before the car was parked?

 

[laytonian]

I missed this-can anyone refer me to a link or a post reflecting this viewpoint? TIA!

This was expressed to me privately. I have no reason to make something like that up.

 

[rd_jfc]

I thought LLs were in residence the weekend he left for Vegas?

And no offense to the landlady, I find it a little peculiar that she was peeking in his room. He was a tenant-that is kind of a breach of privacy. And even untidy people have times when they pick up...if only to mess it all up again. JMO. So the tidy vs untidy thing...I dont know.

I think the springing off point is SCA-TH is adamant that he was not there to work on TH's behalf-I assume that this checks out with what LE/PI know about TH. Then SK had a gig of some kind or a meeting-and my new feeling is that it was a luncheon one because of the timing...and it was unlikely solely business because he was late as in apparently after the stroke of 12. If you were meeting a prospective Employer, I dont think you would walk in late...again jmo.

When you miss rent for three months you sort of lose some privacy. They were checking to see if he had moved out like the other guy a few weeks earlier. Not getting your rent tends to make you wonder.

rd

 

[rd_jfc]

So we have a man who looks like Steven to his family and friends.....park a car and walk in front of security cameras....after talking to church members twice that morning and telling them that he was in Las Vegas...and the cell phone that is known to be Stevens is used to answer those calls.

We don't know why he was there....it's a big empty hole....nothing on paper or in his computer...that we know of, but I think by now that there is much more that is known. I think his family and PI/LE know why
he was there. That is why they have all gone silent. That is why there is nothing of substance on the
facebook page. That is why there are no more news articles. We are in a holding pattern until something
breaks.

I am still a "he is Steven" advocate. Anything else is so darn complex.

Not that I think the person was someone impersonating SK, but they wouldn't have known they were walking in front of a security camera.

But just to add fat to the fire, if there was someone who went to the trouble of impersonating someone, and they did know of a place they could park in front of a security camera, then yes, that's the whole point of impersonating someone.

rd

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

If it wasn't Steven there would have been other DNA in the car. I would think the family would have "processed" the car more thoroughly if they had any doubt that was SK. AND having the original footage and possibly other angles would have probably confirmed their final conclusion which appears to be that it's SK bc that is the last place he's still listed as being seen by them and most missing person websites.

If the family had any doubts wouldn't it serve them to announce them publicly??

 

[rd_jfc]

family doesn't make decisions about whether to process something as a crime scene or not, LE does. I doubt LE knew about the surveillance tape that day, and even if thay had, and even if the looked at before anyone touched the car, there was nothing to suggest a crime.

How to find DNA from a car is yet another subject. I'm not into forensics, and don't pretend to know much about it, but you have to find something identifiable from a possible suspect to try to get DNA to test. Fingerprints, now, that would be something but as a non-crime scene wouldn't have been processed AFAIK.

rd

 

[Fairy1]

If it wasn't Steven there would have been other DNA in the car. I would think the family would have "processed" the car more thoroughly if they had any doubt that was SK. AND having the original footage and possibly other angles would have probably confirmed their final conclusion which appears to be that it's SK bc that is the last place he's still listed as being seen by them and most missing person websites.

If the family had any doubts wouldn't it serve them to announce them publicly??

Honestly, if there is a chance it's NOT Steven on the SCA video, there is absolutely nothing to go on. No starting point. And even if it 100% IS Steven, there is little to go on.

Based on the opinions of the (majority) family, the fact that we see his car go by then see what appears to be Steven walk within view of the camera minutes later, and the fact that he told GW he was in Vegas, I too believe it is Steven. I don't know him, so I must defer to those who do being familiar enough with his appearance and physical characteristics to determine it is him. I also believe they've had the opportunity to view more of the video than we've seen.

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

family doesn't make decisions about whether to process something as a crime scene or not, LE does. I doubt LE knew about the surveillance tape that day, and even if thay had, and even if the looked at before anyone touched the car, there was nothing to suggest a crime.

How to find DNA from a car is yet another subject. I'm not into forensics, and don't pretend to know much about it, but you have to find something identifiable from a possible suspect to try to get DNA to test. Fingerprints, now, that would be something but as a non-crime scene wouldn't have been processed AFAIK.

rd

Good points.

Absolutely the family can decide to search for DNA with or without the police. I can't agree with you on that point.

I am with Fairy1...I should have remained silent on this. It's just after all this time...to suggest the family had one basic fact wrong just didn't seem logical to me. I retreat.

 

[RubyRed]

I am about fed up.