NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #16

[seekingsusan]

swjaxon has updated the Map of Cell Tower Hits.

Now that GW's call is located on the appropriate tower, you can REALLY see how the later calls were clustered in one small area.

(timeline also updated)

Thanks, swjaxon!

Isn't it true that we do not know the exact location of the Russell/I-515 tower? I really think some of our answers lie in the cell phone pings; if we could just be sure of the tower locations.

I can't help but notice how close the last few pings are to McCarran International Airport. For some reason I never realized this before.

The mystery surrounding Steven is killing me. I feel like if we found out exactly what happened, we'd be smacking ourselves in the forehead and saying "Duh! Why didn't we think of that?"

I want to know what Steven was doing in Overton on Saturday Dec. 12th.

 

[laytonian]

Isn't it true that we do not know the exact location of the Russell/I-515 tower? I really think some of our answers lie in the cell phone pings; if we could just be sure of the tower locations.

Yes, we don't know exactly the location of *the* tower -- but remember, we do know the location of I-15 and Russell.

I can't help but notice how close the last few pings are to McCarran International Airport. For some reason I never realized this before.

It's about 6.7 miles from I-515/Russell to McCarran Intl.

It's about 6.6 miles from Temple Square in SLC, to the SLC Intl airport.

The mystery surrounding Steven is killing me. I feel like if we found out exactly what happened, we'd be smacking ourselves in the forehead and saying "Duh! Why didn't we think of that?"

I want to know what Steven was doing in Overton on Saturday Dec. 12th.

Driving by on I-15? All we know, is that he had an incoming call. We don't know if he stopped in Mesquite, or drove further. His phone isn't used the rest of the day. It was turned off, or the battery was dead.

I suspect he drove further.
The next time we know where he is, he's buying 6 gallons of gas almost 8 hours later, in Mesquite NV. Since Mesquite's only 45 miles from home, he must have used a fair amount of gas that day, necessitating a fill-up to make it home to St George.

 

[laytonian]

WOW....a large desolate area...! Do you have any thoughts as to how he got that far? Looks like rough roads in some parts of the area.

That's why I've always wanted the answer to ONE question: "How far would Steven really walk, to get somewhere?"

Would he park where he did, and walk across town on a Sunday?

Or....would he park there to walk through a golf course?

Or....would he park there ONLY if he knew he'd be meeting someone nearby (even if only for a ride, or to transport a vehicle).

I always felt that he lost control of his freedom on EL....that is IF he became a victim of a crime.

There's a lot more homes and streets in that neighborhood. I know we see him walk about 50 feet north up EL, but we don't see him stop. (?) I'm always curious why everyone focuses solely on EL, and doesn't wonder about any of the other @ 200 homes in that neighborhood.

The parking spot is the ONLY parking spot in an SCA neighborhood, that's not surrounded by homes. If someone was telling him where to park, they might not have wanted him to park anywhere near their place -- or, at least in a more private place where the car would be safe for awhile.

Once he walked up EL, he could turn right onto ortsmouth Creek, and look at all the streets that branch off of that road. There's cul de sacs with homes, narrow streets ... and that one intriguingly vacant place the car was found at.

 

[laytonian]

BBM, funny-- no like he put something in a storage unit...disposable phone, laptop, detailed list of previous weeks locations in the event he went missing...

Or...a cache of items he'd need, to successfully disappear? Some of those are merely closets.

He could also have left some things in a train or bus station locker, for later retrieval.

 

[sbakker]

Does anyone know what the Ranch north of Sun City Anthem is called?

 

[laytonian]

Does anyone know what the Ranch north of Sun City Anthem is called?

Green Valley Ranch?

Locals:
Aren't these "ranches" really subdivisions named after the old area ranches that were subdivided?

 

[Lato]

Thinking about the car.....can we talk about the what and why of the items in the car...and the general state of the car.

I think we have information on the receipts that were found in the car. We have also been given the thoughts the family has regarding the small
Christmas gifts.

I would just love to know about the coats and maybe blankets found in the car.
How many of each? Were they SK's? Were the coats all male coats and what size were they? Did the family find more coats in the apartment? Did the blankets belong to SK, the LL or the family?
There were also food wrappers I understand. There was a shaving kit. What was inside the kit?

Steven was better dressed and groomed than the looks of that car would indicate. Could any of Steven's friends tell us if that was the typical
appearance of his car? Did any friend ever ride with him when he had coats
and blankets in the car?

Sometimes it is the actual look of the inside of the car (as I envision it) that
makes me think he was going back to St. George. Anyone?

 

[laytonian]

Thinking about the car.....can we talk about the what and why of the items in the car...and the general state of the car.

I think we have information on the receipts that were found in the car. We have also been given the thoughts the family has regarding the small
Christmas gifts.

I would just love to know about the coats and maybe blankets found in the car.
How many of each? Were they SK's? Were the coats all male coats and what size were they? Did the family find more coats in the apartment? Did the blankets belong to SK, the LL or the family?
There were also food wrappers I understand. There was a shaving kit. What was inside the kit?

Steven was better dressed and groomed than the looks of that car would indicate. Could any of Steven's friends tell us if that was the typical
appearance of his car? Did any friend ever ride with him when he had coats
and blankets in the car?

Sometimes it is the actual look of the inside of the car (as I envision it) that
makes me think he was going back to St. George. Anyone?

The coat questions were asked a few months ago (see qa-02 page):
Q: What kind of coats were found. Were they different sizes? Were they odd colors for a man to be wearing? Pink, teal, etc? ANY info on these coats is helpful.
A: Don't know. I'll check. (The answer would have come from Steven's parents; we never received a response on that.)

Found in the car (per news reports):
Advertising flyers, miscellaneous receipts, snack food (note: not just wrappers), Christmas presents, shaving kit, coats, pillow(s), blanket(s).

The only items we know were actually visible, were the advertising flyers. We don't know the location of the other items (they could have been in the trunk).

 

[Fairy1]

Green Valley Ranch?

Locals:
Aren't these "ranches" really subdivisions named after the old area ranches that were subdivided?

Green Valley Ranch is a hotel/casino.

 

[laytonian]

Green Valley Ranch is a hotel/casino.

I thought Green Valley was a large subdivision, like SCA -- but after I plugged "Green Valley" into Google, I got results all over the Las Vegas valley.

So is there another ranch north of SCA, that's not Green Valley? :waitasec:

 

[Fairy1]

I thought Green Valley was a large subdivision, like SCA -- but after I plugged "Green Valley" into Google, I got results all over the Las Vegas valley.

So is there another ranch north of SCA, that's not Green Valley?

Green Valley is the "other" name for the newer parts of Henderson - which is comprised of old Henderson and new Henderson. In other words, if you asked someone who lives anywhere in the area where they live, they would most likely say Green Valley - not Henderson. Same thing with Summerlin in northwest Vegas. Technically, it is Las Vegas, but the folks who live out there will say they live in Summerlin.

Whitney Ranch is a specific area within Green Valley/Henderson. If I'm not mistaken, it's probably made up of several sub-divisions - all with their own names. Like SCA.

 

[Fairy1]

Here (hopefully) is a map of Henderson. See, Whitney Ranch, Silverado Ranch, McDonald Ranch, Anthem, etc. - all areas of Henderson aka Green Valley.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sou...8819,92.724609&num=10&abstate=A:actbar-saveto

 

[justice57]

I just keep looking over the timeline (thanks to all who compiled it). Steven was in Las Vegas at 8am(9am) on Sunday. Then his last sighting is at noon(1pm) when he parks his car. Where was he for those four hours?
Then his cell continues to ping in the same area until 6am(7am) Monday when he (or someone else) checks his voicemail. I am assuming it was Steven checking his voicemail. Since he didn't have a car, where did he spend the night? Is there any hotels in the immediate vicinity? I want to believe he was of sound mind and body when he checked his voicemail.

 

[laytonian]

I just keep looking over the timeline (thanks to all who compiled it). Steven was in Las Vegas at 8am(9am) on Sunday. Then his last sighting is at noon(1pm) when he parks his car. Where was he for those four hours?

Then his cell continues to ping in the same area until 6am(7am) Monday when he (or someone else) checks his voicemail. I am assuming it was Steven checking his voicemail. Since he didn't have a car, where did he spend the night? Is there any hotels in the immediate vicinity? I want to believe he was of sound mind and body when he checked his voicemail.

If he was near those phone pings, he'd be in the Whitney Ranch/Boulder Hwy area of Vegas. Lots of hotels, mobile home parks, industrial areas, apartments, houses, homeless camp, etc.

There'd really be nothing for him in SCA. No hotel. No bus within five miles (plus, it was a Sunday....so no bus within many more miles).

There's something VERY odd about the phone pings on Dec 13th (see phone pings map.

He talks to GW about 8am -- and he's on the northern outskirts of Vegas
He talks to SA at 9:53am -- and the phone pings off a tower (Bermuda & Cactus), near SCA.

That's almost two hours, and only 22 miles.

Where was he for the 1-3/4 hours AFTER SA talked to him ... because where the car was found, is only about five or so miles from that Bermuda & Cactus tower.

That's 1-3/4 hours, and only about 5 miles.

Was he driving around for that long, to find a perfect parking space?

 

[Fairy1]

I just keep looking over the timeline (thanks to all who compiled it). Steven was in Las Vegas at 8am(9am) on Sunday. Then his last sighting is at noon(1pm) when he parks his car. Where was he for those four hours?
Then his cell continues to ping in the same area until 6am(7am) Monday when he (or someone else) checks his voicemail. I am assuming it was Steven checking his voicemail. Since he didn't have a car, where did he spend the night? Is there any hotels in the immediate vicinity? I want to believe he was of sound mind and body when he checked his voicemail.

That first ping on 12/13 - the "Pecos" tower, leads me to believe he was just arriving in Vegas when he spoke to GW. That's always been one of my questions - when did SK arrive in Vegas? The rest of the pings are entirely on the other side of the valley.

I, too, wonder what was happening in between.

 

[laytonian]

That first ping on 12/13 - the "Pecos" tower, leads me to believe he was just arriving in Vegas when he spoke to GW. That's always been one of my questions - when did SK arrive in Vegas? The rest of the pings are entirely on the other side of the valley.

I, too, wonder what was happening in between.

I agree. The logical thing is that he was just coming in to Vegas. For a long time, we thought that when he backed out of his driveway the night before, he went straight to Vegas. But that tower ping placement changed things.

 

[sbakker]

Does anyone know what the Ranch north of Sun City Anthem is called?

The reason I asked about this, is because one of sk's neighbors in st. george, their family has property in Mesqite, Overton, and a ranch north of Sun City Anthem.

 

[Fairy1]

The reason I asked about this, is because one of sk's neighbors in st. george, their family has property in Mesqite, Overton, and a ranch north of Sun City Anthem.

I can't imagine an actual "ranch" north of SCA. Please see my earlier post (#112). There are many "ranch" neigborhoods in Henderson/Green Valley. They are not actual "ranches."

Would you happen to have a name of the "ranch?"

 

[sbakker]

I can't imagine an actual "ranch" north of SCA. Please see my earlier post (#112). There are many "ranch" neigborhoods in Henderson/Green Valley. They are not actual "ranches."

Would you happen to have a name of the "ranch?"

No, but I will have my friend look it up tomorrow. I am wondering if it is a private ranch-home? I will try and get that info.

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

I think we are getting back on the right track. Let's concentrate on the people sk knew. Not people that live out of st. george, the ones we knew he talked to through the week. That would include neighbors, church friends, and people he worked for. Now, maybe we need to dig alittle deeper on those friends. I am not accusing them, but maybe he met someone from one of them.

If he had a side job,maybe he was on his firsy day doing it. Probably did not mention it, because it was probably not long term.

Whoever he arranged the job (just thinking) with, was smart enough not to talk on the phone about it,did it in person, or face to face.

Does anyone know where GW worked? I just throw out his name, because he was a friend. I will ask a few people from St. george who knew sk, if sk had asked them about jobs.

He owns a medical supply franchise in St. George. I always wondered why he didn't give SK a job or some kind of temporary employment.