NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #16

[carbuff]

As far as the graphics go, it doesn't make any difference whether I produce business cards or postcards. I just have to use the right-sized template. I can send either postcard or business size .pdf files for printing to anybody who's willing to trust me with an outside-world email address.

It sounds like the business-card size would have advantages in terms of being easy to keep and taking very little space to distribute, while the postcard size would allow more options for distribution.

 

[Fairy1]

I'm sorry if everyone thinks I'm beating up on them. Thanks for being honest.

I was merely trying to do something a bit different, to provide something that people could keep with them, in their wallet. That they'd see by a c-store cash register, in their break room, etc. I never envisioned sending anyone down dark alleys; merely into public businesses or the SCA area.

Sending postcards is probably better. I'm sure y'all can think of who to send them to.

I don't feel beaten up at all. I just know my city and where I'm personally willing to go. I can't speak for all the locals, but I don't think it's a big secret there are some sketchy areas of Vegas. If I'm not comfortable going somewhere alone, I'll simply take someone with me. It aint rocket science!

I like the idea of the business card size AND the postcard size. There are two convenience stores very near where I think I saw Steven. For those, I believe the business card size would be best. For the RTC headquarters, I feel the postcard size would work better. But I'm no expert.

 

[laytonian]

I don't feel beaten up at all. I just know my city and where I'm personally willing to go. I can't speak for all the locals, but I don't think it's a big secret there are some sketchy areas of Vegas. If I'm not comfortable going somewhere alone, I'll simply take someone with me. It aint rocket science!

I think Lato's right.
You know the town, and the areas of the sightings.

If those areas are too dangerous for one person, they're too dangerous for two people. Unless one of you is a black belt with an M-16, going in pairs isn't even going to help. We can't put anyone in such danger, just to pass out some cards.

Mailing is the answer.

 

[RubyRed]

I was away today. Did you decide to mail postcards with the info then?

 

[laytonian]

For the RTC headquarters, I feel the postcard size would work better.

Do the bus drivers have bigger wallets than other people?

 

[Fairy1]

I think Lato's right.
You know the town, and the areas of the sightings.

If those areas are too dangerous for one person, they're too dangerous for two people. Unless one of you is a black belt with an M-16, going in pairs isn't even going to help. We can't put anyone in such danger, just to pass out some cards.

Mailing is the answer.

It's not a friggin war zone FCOL. Surely even in SLC, there are places a woman should not venture alone - even for a good cause.

 

[laytonian]

I was away today. Did you decide to mail postcards with the info then?

Let's just consider it DOA.

 

[Fairy1]

Do the bus drivers have bigger wallets than other people?

I actually have no idea.

My thinking was that it would be more productive if the drivers could have them handy on their buses so that they could easily refer to them when passengers board. Doesn't seem practical for them to be digging around in their wallets all day.

 

[laytonian]

I actually have no idea.

My thinking was that it would be more productive if the drivers could have them handy on their buses so that they could easily refer to them when passengers board. Doesn't seem practical for them to be digging around in their wallets all day.

My thinking is that they can't "stash" stuff on the bus; as soon as the cleaning crew comes along, stuff like that is trashed.

I figured that if they saw the card, they'd look at it, and then if they saw someone who resembled SK, they could look at it again.

 

[laytonian]

It's not a friggin war zone FCOL. Surely even in SLC, there are places a woman should not venture alone - even for a good cause.

Actually, there's no place in SLC, Vegas, Milwaukee, Mortgomery AL, Shreveport LA, Baton Rouge LA, New Orleans LA, Denver CO or similar cities that I've ever been afraid to go to....alone....in the daytime. And I have.

But going with a buddy makes it FUN. :dance:

 

[carbuff]

I think Lato's right.
You know the town, and the areas of the sightings.

If those areas are too dangerous for one person, they're too dangerous for two people. Unless one of you is a black belt with an M-16, going in pairs isn't even going to help. We can't put anyone in such danger, just to pass out some cards.

Mailing is the answer.

I dunno about this -- there are even a couple of places in this small New England city where I wouldn't go alone, but would be perfectly safe during the day for a couple of people together. And most likely it wouldn't be any real danger, just some hassling. I'd trust the judgment of the people who live there.

ETA: oops, I appear to be *way* behind...

 

[jokie7348]

Laytonian, like you, I have been to many cities all over the US, often by myself. Being prudent about one's surroundings is wise; however, as far as I'm concerned, daily living is a risk....and one I'm willing to take.
I want to thank you for your inventive idea of creating business cards with Steven's info. Bus drivers or car drivers, for that matter, could post a card on the sun visor for easy access. I'm always picking up business cards at convenience stores, restaurants, and the like. I wish I were close enough that I could ask to place them in pertinent places. But alas, in Florida, all I can do is support you long distance.
Every day, I check to see if there is news of Steven. He reminds me so much of many teenagers I counselled in high school who exhibited many of his personality characteristics. I just wish we knew he is OK.

 

[laytonian]

I dunno about this -- there are even a couple of places in this small New England city where I wouldn't go alone, but would be perfectly safe during the day for a couple of people together. And most likely it wouldn't be any real danger, just some hassling.

Absolutely. Same here.

I'd trust the judgment of the people who live there.

ETA: oops, I appear to be *way* behind...

Based on the areas of the "sightings", I saw only safe areas (and I've been to ALL of those same areas within the past few years) -- but I'm not a local.

BUT...and this is a biggie: NO ONE here wants to disrespect any other member. When safety is brought up, it's obviously exceeded people's safety levels -- and thus the entire idea should be dropped.

 

[Fairy1]

This is getting out of hand. NEVER did I say I wouldn't be willing to go anywhere. I have already done that in this search. My point was, there are some areas I won't go alone. I do have others who can go along. I fail to see why the idea should be abandoned altogether. It's still a great idea.

That being said, I feel that some places should be approached in person. The convenience stores for instance. I would prefer to take the cards to the cashiers and ask them if they would place them on the counters. Whereas, mailing some to the RTC with a letter might be a better way to go there.

If no one wants to go to the expense of actually having the cards printed, I respect that. Just send me the PDF and I'll print them off myself.

 

[laytonian]

This is getting out of hand. NEVER did I say I wouldn't be willing to go anywhere. I have already done that in this search. My point was, there are some areas I won't go alone. I do have others who can go along. I fail to see why the idea should be abandoned altogether. It's still a great idea.

I'm just confused. No one ever said anyone "had to" go to a sketchy area, or go alone.
I'm one of those people who, when I read reasons that make things hard to do (or severely altered in image, which totally changes the concept), sense resistance. Maybe I'm wrong. But it's me and I'm too old to change.

That being said, I feel that some places should be approached in person. The convenience stores for instance. I would prefer to take the cards to the cashiers and ask them if they would place them on the counters. Whereas, mailing some to the RTC with a letter might be a better way to go there.

If no one wants to go to the expense of actually having the cards printed, I respect that. Just send me the PDF and I'll print them off myself.

All contacts to businesses should be made to managers, not clerks. The clerks have no authority. Same as at the RTC.

I'll take care of it, myself. I already publicly pledged to pay for the printing costs, and have never gone back on my word. The mailing expenses aren't a problem.

I've already got a list of places I can mail the cards to, with a letter -- and I'm going to send some to Steven's family, too, with best wishes from WS.

If it's a bad idea, then it's just me blaming myself.

 

[Fairy1]

I'm just confused. No one ever said anyone "had to" go to a sketchy area, or go alone.
I'm one of those people who, when I read reasons that make things hard to do (or severely altered in image, which totally changes the concept), sense resistance. Maybe I'm wrong. But it's me and I'm too old to change.

Of course, everything that's said is open to interpretation.

All contacts to businesses should be made to managers, not clerks. The clerks have no authority. Same as at the RTC.

I'll take care of it, myself. I already publicly pledged to pay for the printing costs, and have never gone back on my word. The mailing expenses aren't a problem.

I've already got a list of places I can mail the cards to, with a letter -- and I'm going to send some to Steven's family, too, with best wishes from WS.

If it's a bad idea, then it's just me blaming myself.

Ok. As always, you know best!

 

[Lato]

Hi all....I wish I had deleted that post about using the mail. It was no more than another suggestion....and a suggestion should not stop our moving forward. This has been the best idea in weeks. Thanks....:wave:

 

[sbakker]

It is very hard when we cannot talkk face to face to see how we express what we feel. You have all done so much, and I think sometimes we take things the wrong way when we communicate on line. But....you all have been so dedicated, and have such good hearts, and want SK found, do not lets the small things interfere. Love you all!

 

[Fairy1]

No worries, ya'll! If everyone feels cards in the mail will be more effective than boots on the ground, I will support the decision.

 

[laytonian]

No worries, ya'll! If everyone feels cards in the mail will be more effective than boots on the ground, I will support the decision.

It's more effective than doing nothing.

Last week I asked if it was possible for the locals to do some online brainstorming and come up with a plan (ie, who was participating, where to take the cards, how many, where I should send them, how many I should send to each, etc, etc).

Silence.

I then asked if we had a local who could volunteer to help organize it.

Silence.

So what's left? I mail them out to the obvious places.