NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #18

[laytonian]

I don't want to post his name here, but it's under the resolved cases on the Charley Project website. No story and no explanation; as is often the case when the missing turn up alive and well.

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I went over there, and there's three resolved cases. Two men declared dead, and a runaway girl who was found safe.

Charley Project/Resolved Cases

 

[Montjoy]

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I went over there, and there's three resolved cases. Two men declared dead, and a runaway girl who was found safe.

Charley Project/Resolved Cases

Heh, you're right -- skeletal remains don't seem like the sort of resolution the poster was discussing. There is a link at the bottom of the page for 'Additional Resolved Cases'.

 

[Fairy1]

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I went over there, and there's three resolved cases. Two men declared dead, and a runaway girl who was found safe.

Charley Project/Resolved Cases

C'mon people!!!!

You have to click on "Additional Resolved Cases" at the bottom of the page. Went missing in 1980 at the age of 16.

Jeez.

 

[laytonian]

C'mon people!!!!

You have to click on "Additional Resolved Cases" at the bottom of the page. Went missing in 1980 at the age of 16.

Jeez.

Jeez, I was just following your directions.

A little bit on WS HERE <----link

ETA:
Is this the person carbuff was talking about, who'd walked away after an argument -- and who lived over in the next town for 30 years?
How far away was the next town?

That case begs 1000 questions -- and frankly, if he just "showed up" after 30 years, it was probably more traumatic to what remained of his family, than if they'd just assumed him dead.

 

[Fairy1]

Jeez, I was just following your directions.

A little bit on WS HERE <----link

ETA:
Is this the person carbuff was talking about, who'd walked away after an argument -- and who lived over in the next town for 30 years?
How far away was the next town?

That case begs 1000 questions -- and frankly, if he just "showed up" after 30 years, it was probably more traumatic to what remained of his family, than if they'd just assumed him dead.

IDK - but it wouldn't surprise me at all. The thing is, this boy/man had people looking for him - or so it would seem. Why didn't he know that? Why did he walk away?

On that same website, there is a "resolved" case of two young men who went missing in 2001 and were found THE NEXT DAY, yet it took until now to ID them.

A bit O/T here, but to those who are looking for matches to UID's, the Charley Project is an excellent site. Much of the time Meaghan, the "keeper" of The Charley Project, has so many more details about the missing than other sites. It's my go-to for the missing. Steven is there....

 

[laytonian]

IDK - but it wouldn't surprise me at all. The thing is, this boy/man had people looking for him - or so it would seem. Why didn't he know that? Why did he walk away?

Maybe he was from a family that really didn't care *that much*.

On that same website, there is a "resolved" case of two young men who went missing in 2001 and were found THE NEXT DAY, yet it took until now to ID them.

Who?

A bit O/T here, but to those who are looking for matches to UID's, the Charley Project is an excellent site. Much of the time Meaghan, the "keeper" of The Charley Project, has so many more details about the missing than other sites. It's my go-to for the missing. Steven is there....

She does a great job over there.
Just think what we'd have, if there was one website and everyone pooled their expertise.

I can't find the case(s) you're talking about, over there.

 

[Fairy1]

Notice also that those statements come from the women.

The men in the family are in a bubble (sorry, but it's true). One brother says "we know a thousand things that didn't happen, but don't know the one that did" .... and makes sure we know that Steven was a "man's man" because he engaged in lots of sports.
His father won't even read his journal.

I remember Steven's Mom making the same statement at the search in April - though she said "100."

I have 2 brothers, a father, a husband, son, brother-in-law and nephews. They are ALL in "bubbles." I guess that's why I have never been too shocked that NONE of the men Steven spoke to the day he went missing asked him WHY he was in Las Vegas/Henderson. The minds of men just don't work the way those of women do, I guess. It's irritating, but there you have it. It's just not that unusual for men to mind their own beeswax & expect their "buddies" to do the same.

 

[laytonian]

On the Charley Project site, there's a mention of Carl Woracker, a resolved case.

If you read this KREM.com page, you'll do this:
:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

1998:
Woracker’s vehicle is found abandoned near 3600 W. Rosamond in Spokane.

2004:
A tibia is found near the Indian Canyon Golf Course. The area was searched, no additional bones were found.

2009:
A thigh bone is found near 3600 W. Rosamond in Spokane. (Yes, that's where the car was found.) A few weeks later, a search is conducted with power tools, more bones are found, and the remains are eventually ID'd as Woracker's.

Oh, by the way: 3600 W Rosamond and Indian Canyon Golf Course are basically "the same place" (1000-1500 feet apart).

 

[laytonian]

I remember Steven's Mom making the same statement at the search in April - though she said "100."

I have 2 brothers, a father, a husband, son, brother-in-law and nephews. They are ALL in "bubbles." I guess that's why I have never been too shocked that NONE of the men Steven spoke to the day he went missing asked him WHY he was in Las Vegas/Henderson. The minds of men just don't work the way those of women do, I guess. It's irritating, but there you have it. It's just not that unusual for men to mind their own beeswax & expect their "buddies" to do the same.

I don't know how they can be sure of ONE thing that didn't happen to him, let alone 100 or 1000. Really.

...and I'm not shocked that none of his "church friends" even called him, after he parked the car and walked away.

 

[Fairy1]

Maybe he was from a family that really didn't care *that much*.



Who?



She does a great job over there.
Just think what we'd have, if there was one website and everyone pooled their expertise.

I can't find the case(s) you're talking about, over there.

Rahim Martin and Anwar Green. Missing from Newark.

 

[Fairy1]

I don't know how they can be sure of ONE thing that didn't happen to him, let alone 100 or 1000. Really.

...and I'm not shocked that none of his "church friends" even called him, after he parked the car and walked away.

She said, "We know of 100 things that didn't happen, we just need to find the one thing that did." Or something along those lines. That was in response to my saying I wasn't happy about being there as I didn't believe Steven was there. She was actually trying to comfort me.

She's so very sweet. As a mother, I want to find the answer for her.

 

[laytonian]

She said, "We know of 100 things that didn't happen, we just need to find the one thing that did." Or something along those lines. That was in response to my saying I wasn't happy about being there as I didn't believe Steven was there. She was actually trying to comfort me.

She's so very sweet. As a mother, I want to find the answer for her.

So do I.

 

[hollyblue]

Everytime I see the weather man on HLN in the early morning, I think of Steven. I can't remember his name, but to me he looks very much SK, and in my eyes his humor would have been simular. JMO

Found it. I guess up close his hair is darker, has brown eyes, and he has put on a little weight since this pic......maybe it's the smile, but from a distance on camera, I think he resembles him.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/anchors_reporters/vandillen.bob.html

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

The only reason not to read the journal is fear of finding out something you don't want to know. Maybe police did read something that has made them NOT pursue this case. Not that "what" happened is in there...but the catalyst to what did happen might.

And if he did leave on his own accord, seems the only reason to leave your journal behind would be for an explanation. If that isn't in the journal, I don't feel like he would leave something that personal behind...when it could have easily been discarded.

 

[shefner]

The only reason not to read the journal is fear of finding out something you don't want to know. Maybe police did read something that has made them NOT pursue this case. Not that "what" happened is in there...but the catalyst to what did happen might.

And if he did leave on his own accord, seems the only reason to leave your journal behind would be for an explanation. If that isn't in the journal, I don't feel like he would leave something that personal behind...when it could have easily been discarded.

This response by the family to the journal is very intriguing to me. After all, this is the family's link to the heart and mind of Steven. I know everyone responds differently to crisis but I can't imagine not sitting down and devouring that journal word for word.

 

[laytonian]

The only reason not to read the journal is fear of finding out something you don't want to know. Maybe police did read something that has made them NOT pursue this case. Not that "what" happened is in there...but the catalyst to what did happen might.

And if he did leave on his own accord, seems the only reason to leave your journal behind would be for an explanation. If that isn't in the journal, I don't feel like he would leave something that personal behind...when it could have easily been discarded.

Bingo.
But I doubt the journal's been read by LE or the PI.

The LDS people I know, have booksful of journals. Notes for every day of the year, bound into Franklin Institute cases. Kind of like diaries, but preserved for future generations. Kind of like a daily scrapbook.

Wouldn't SK actually have left behind many of them?

 

[laytonian]

Rahim Martin and Anwar Green. Missing from Newark.

Thanks. I was looking for two pictures/cases side-by-side.

It's likely that the remains were so damaged by the fire, that it took that many years for improved DNA testing to give results. The one body hasn't been ID'd, which means there may not be familial DNA available.

 

[SugarJames]

Bingo.
But I doubt the journal's been read by LE or the PI.

The LDS people I know, have booksful of journals. Notes for every day of the year, bound into Franklin Institute cases. Kind of like diaries, but preserved for future generations. Kind of like a daily scrapbook.

Wouldn't SK actually have left behind many of them?

I would think the the daily "Family journals" would contain massive amonts of info for of where he lived worked and associated with, and maybe some thoughtful observations or statements. A day planer, scketch books, poetry/songs all can be concidered journals, you can can find subtle clues or tid bits of info. but it is not totally relyable unless you can or ask...so Steven tell me about your song or story or art? Its the private feelings that are the key.

It is really hard to pour though someones life...when they are a family member
the emotions are high. It is hard to do it after the person has passed, and even more difficult if they are alive, because you now know that persons most private thoughts and secrets, every move they have made for weeks,years, you sometimes find things about you, and if you are lucky...the emotions are of joy instead of pain. This can be a double edge sword. Non-Fiction vs. Fiction. Everything can be interperated in "1000" ways and still not know the one thing...

 

[Fairy1]

This response by the family to the journal is very intriguing to me. After all, this is the family's link to the heart and mind of Steven. I know everyone responds differently to crisis but I can't imagine not sitting down and devouring that journal word for word.

I agree. It's one thing to hold off on something like that after someone you love passes. But if they're missing, wouldn't that be one of the first things you would do?

 

[SugarJames]

I would think the the daily "Family journals" would contain massive amonts of info for of where he lived worked and associated with, and maybe some thoughtful observations or statements. A day planer, scketch books, poetry/songs all can be concidered journals, you can can find subtle clues or tid bits of info. but it is not totally relyable unless you can or ask...so Steven tell me about your song or story or art? Its the private feelings that are the key.

It is really hard to pour though someones life...when they are a family member
the emotions are high. It is hard to do it after the person has passed, and even more difficult if they are alive, because you now know that persons most private thoughts and secrets, every move they have made for weeks,years, you sometimes find things about you, and if you are lucky...the emotions are of joy instead of pain. This can be a double edge sword. Non-Fiction vs. Fiction. Everything can be interperated in "1000" ways and still not know the one thing...

Right now I would give my (well allmost) right arm to be able to look at his Journals and art or hear"his songs" spend some time looking and reading...