NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - # 2

[CONCRNED CTZN]

I didnt want my earlier posts to come off as if I didnt think the family had searched. Sorry if they did.

Steven bought 4 ornaments and a baby bib (girl) Is that fitting to what his typical gifts are? Steven has other siblings, correct? Have the Kmart tapes been reviewed?

The family canvassed the area immediately after Stevens disappearance but search dogs were brought in 2 weeks later. Steven was not there and had not recently been there.

The coats were all Steven's. Were they business coats, winter coats, etc?

Has an authorized person checked the transaction numbers to pinpoint the time of purchase?

GW didnt make it back to the meeting, did he?

If you get a positive answer to the GW question...then you are a freaking STAR!!! I have asked that question a MILLION times and no answer. I feel that is the question that she can't answer. I DID notice that he completely removed his profile from Facebook...before he still had his photo up. The Bishop and Clerk still have their profiles on there. What does GW have to hide?

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

Does anyone on here have a current account with the Salt Lake County Recorder? This is the only County I have ever seen that makes you pay to view recorded documents, which is CRAZY. Even though it's only a penny or two, you have to set up a full blown account. I will make one if no one does.

I need to view the vesting deed for a home...I don't need official copies or anything. I need to compare signatures on another vesting deed before I post the information I have.

 

[4BB]

Alright, lets try this..

Can we get a detailed account of the phone records between GW and Steven? Calls and texts including length of call.

The police have cleared him for now. Without being negative about the police and their efforts, I'd like to think that it couldnt hurt to go behind them and do a more detailed search. They have tons of cases and unfortunately this is probably not their top priority.

It took 2+ weeks to search with dogs and helicopters. Why? It seems they had the impression that Steven was still in the general area. What made them think that?

Where did the PI leave off? No evidence...what does she mean no evidence?

The car needs to be fingerprinted. The (purchases) tapes need to be reviewed. A thorough search of the adjacent homes and all of the occupants needs to be done. Does anyone feel their neighbor has exhibited some odd behaviors.

Was GW's vehicle seen on the homeowners video tapes? Tell us about GW (single?, children?)

CC~ anxious to see what you come up with!

 

[hollyblue]

I posted the address before here, but went back and looked for it, for you.
4860 Boulder Highway, Las Vegas is 5 miles away from that Z address.

Z's name is exactly shown in the link I've posted here before. but will add that link (to a public information database) to the timeline for convenience. I had not investigated anyone's private information, and choose not to do so.

Thank you for the info. I found one more Zirkle that is only 2 miles away. I found your link to Z's name later after posting that. TY

 

[renn3434]

If you get a positive answer to the GW question...then you are a freaking STAR!!! I have asked that question a MILLION times and no answer. I feel that is the question that she can't answer. I DID notice that he completely removed his profile from Facebook...before he still had his photo up. The Bishop and Clerk still have their profiles on there. What does GW have to hide?

CC,
Yesterday I specifically asked Naegle what she found out about GW and this was here reply. (I think you and I even PM'd eachother about him.) This was her response.
"Where in the world did I leave off with GW? His story checks out, I think the conclusion to that was that Paul Doxey never called, but was present when Steth talked to Steven"

Naegle makes it sound like it was no big deal. I had thought up until she posted this that he was issue she couldnt talk about because we couldnt get her to answer any questions about him. (I'd like to hear the details of the story that checked out) Then she brings up JZ and I start to think that he is what she couldnt talk about and still cant but wants us to see what we can dig up on him. I'm kinda lost at this point. I also asked last night or this morning how sure they are that that is Steven on the video and no response. I'm not saying she is avoiding the question just that there was no reponse. :banghead:

 

[renn3434]

If you get a positive answer to the GW question...then you are a freaking STAR!!! I have asked that question a MILLION times and no answer. I feel that is the question that she can't answer. I DID notice that he completely removed his profile from Facebook...before he still had his photo up. The Bishop and Clerk still have their profiles on there. What does GW have to hide?

That is odd. I looked for him on FB and just assumed he never had an account. When did he delete it? When we all started questioning his involvement. TOL

 

[hollyblue]

If you get a positive answer to the GW question...then you are a freaking STAR!!! I have asked that question a MILLION times and no answer. I feel that is the question that she can't answer. I DID notice that he completely removed his profile from Facebook...before he still had his photo up. The Bishop and Clerk still have their profiles on there. What does GW have to hide?

ITA. Very few answers re: GW.

 

[Naegle]

Exactly. Steven was going to Evening Lights...why? Who told him to go there? How did he speak to them?

He didnt communicate through anything he owned to anyone "out of the ordinary". So that can mean one of 2 things. Either one of his ordinary friends knows more than we do or he was using someone elses communication devices. Somehow there is a missing link somewhere. He didnt just show up at random.

If a call was made from Stevens phone while he was traveling to someone Steven did not know, then he possibly had a passenger using his phone. Naegle asked if Z had any relatives because he said he had been calling family, correct me if Im wrong. How does she know Z talked to family? Do they have Z's phone records or did Z use Stevens phone?

We need answers. Its a shame the car was not fingerprinted. Maybe Steven had company on some of his road trips. Did Z have transportation? Was Steven taking him places and picking him up for extra money?

Naegle asked ~ -Does Jordan Zirkle (steven's roommate) have family in Vegas as he claims? He made lots of calls to Vegas to "family"

Yes, I was out of it yesterday. I'm sorry I haven't been so good at answering your questions.

LE is very interested in JZ because of the pot(?) found in his room and because he ran out on his rent. When LE asked JZ if he ever called Vegas, he said, "yeah, I call there a lot. I have family there." I wanted you supersluths to see if you could find out if that was true.

I haven't answered the GW questions because I'm tired of that subject not because I'm trying to hide something. I feel like things all check out there and I tried to explain that way-back-when, but I guess my explanation didn't cut it. If someone could give their summary of that whole situ, I'll base my further comments off that.

 

[laytonian]

That is odd. I looked for him on FB and just assumed he never had an account. When did he delete it? When we all started questioning his involvement. TOL

I googled Webb the second day I was here, and never saw an FB account. I did dig up a photo of him, from the SL Tribune and posted it in the timline (click on his name).
If you haven't seen that particularly picture, you should. It shows him standing in front of the house that Steven and JRZ rented rooms in.

 

[laytonian]

Yes, I was out of it yesterday. I'm sorry I haven't been so good at answering your questions.

LE is very interested in JZ because of the pot(?) found in his room and because he ran out on his rent. When LE asked JZ if he ever called Vegas, he said, "yeah, I call there a lot. I have family there." I wanted you supersluths to see if you could find out if that was true.

I haven't answered the GW questions because I'm tired of that subject not because I'm trying to hide something. I feel like things all check out there and I tried to explaine that way-back-when, but I guess my explanation didn't cut it. If someone could give their summary of that whole situ, I'll base my further comments off that.

I had the impression that LE wasn't that interested in Zirkle.
Is the "thing that cannot be mentioned" related to him?

There's a boatload of Zirkles in Vegas; I'd be shocked if he wasn't related to some of them.
We're still trying to find his birth date, etc, before we can link him to someone. (Someone here may already have that info, but hasn't posted about it yet.)

Questions:
Did the landlord ever have the "pot" tested, or is this an assumption?
He's got a minor drug record, but not what you see in major criminals.
They haven't arrested him for being "one of the biggest drug dealers in St George" (as was posted here).
There must be something else that leads to him?
Has LE checked out his "family" in Vegas, and his whereabouts when Steven disappeared?

Webb situ:

1 - Why was he in Vegas?
It just seems odd that the President and Counselor would each, independently, decide to go to Vegas.
If it's odd that Steven went, why is it not odd that Webb went?

2 - After Steven said he couldn't cover him at PEC, GW told Steve that he'd do it himself....then the last we hear, is that they were trying to call Steven after all, because GW wasn't there by (at least) 11:15am.
Did Webb ever show up at the PEC?
When Webb knew he was running late, why didn't HE call his Bishop?

 

[webrocket]

I'm just one voice here and who is to say whether I am right or wrong. However, since we discuss things in this forum, I personally do not believe his disappearance was in any way caused, assisted or facilitated by any other member of his former LDS circle, be it SLC, St. George, Bountiful or the entire state of Utah for that matter.

We here have no problem throwing out suspicions or hunches, and they get thumbs up or down from the peanut gallery. I think it is possible that some of his former LDS circle might have thought Steven was up to something but did not know anything as a fact. As such, hunches may be viewed as akin to gossip, which I think is frowned upon by the LDS church. So there may be a cultural aspect of these people not talking that the rest of us are missing. This dynamic may be a two way street - the family does not solicit gossip and the others don't offer it.

 

[paris_paris]

Thank you Laytonian. I wasn't able to find his picture anywhere... first time I've seen that one.

Maybe LE should have had the dogs sniffing GW's clothes to track from the car.

ther_beatingA_Dead



Alright, that up there was really just to use that emoticon.

Naegle, did family members take Steven's missing poster to the LDS churches near the IHOP, are anywhere else in Vegas? There was one very close to IHOP.

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[CONCRNED CTZN]

CC,
Yesterday I specifically asked Naegle what she found out about GW and this was here reply. (I think you and I even PM'd eachother about him.) This was her response.
"Where in the world did I leave off with GW? His story checks out, I think the conclusion to that was that Paul Doxey never called, but was present when Steth talked to Steven"

She says his story checks out...and then says, "I think the conclusion to that was that Paul Doxey never called, but was present when Steth talked to Steven."

GW checks out and the call in regards to Paul Doxey have nothing to do with one another. How would the Doxey response be a conclusion to GW checks out?

She can't give us the information, so she gives us other information. How does GW's story check out??? Did he show up for church or not was the specific question? This same question was posed on Facebook and has gone unanswered in the Discussion room, while others are answered.

Do we know why he was in Vegas? How did the Bishop find out he was not going to be at the meeting? IF the Bishop talked to GW, why didn't he tell him that Steven was not going to be there, as he had talked to Steven a little after 8, and the Bishop "realizes" this after 11.

This was posted on Facebook:

"The PEC meeting started at 11 A.M. At 11:10 A.M., we realized that Greg, the EQ President, was not going to make it to the meeting, so the Bishop asked Seth Abboud, the clerk, to call Steve (the EQ counselor) and see if he (Steve) could be there or if perhaps Greg had prearranged for Steve to be there in his (Greg's) place. )

When they realized? Well GW told Steven he was going to be there. What changed since his "reported" conversation with Steven???????? And like I asked above, if Greg talked to the leaders, why didn't he tell them that he had already talked to Steven???

 

[Naegle]

I didnt want my earlier posts to come off as if I didnt think the family had searched. Sorry if they did.

Steven bought 4 ornaments and a baby bib (girl) Is that fitting to what his typical gifts are?Don't know Steven has other siblings, correct?Yep. No gifts have been found that match the other families. Have the Kmart tapes been reviewed?Why would they be? He was shopping...

The family canvassed the area immediately after Stevens disappearance but search dogs were brought in 2 weeks later. Steven was not there and had not recently been there.

The coats were all Steven's. Were they business coats, winter coats, etc?I don't know.

Has an authorized person checked the transaction numbers to pinpoint the time of purchase?No, I believe they are too far distant for the family to be interested in them

GW didnt make it back to the meeting, did he?I don't know

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

I'm just one voice here and who is to say whether I am right or wrong. However, since we discuss things in this forum, I personally do not believe his disappearance was in any way caused, assisted or facilitated by any other member of his former LDS circle, be it SLC, St. George, Bountiful or the entire state of Utah for that matter.

We here have no problem throwing out suspicions or hunches, and they get thumbs up or down from the peanut gallery. I think it is possible that some of his former LDS circle might have thought Steven was up to something but did not know anything as a fact. As such, hunches may be viewed as akin to gossip, which I think is frowned upon by the LDS church. So there may be a cultural aspect of these people not talking that the rest of us are missing. This dynamic may be a two way street - the family does not solicit gossip and the others don't offer it.

WHAT??? I am LDS, and I would answer the question. Answering a question is not gossip. Are you kidding...someone is missing!!! Maybe you could better explain what you are suggesting b/c that just threw me. That we drop the Webb questioning without an answer?

 

[SuziQ]

Yes, I was out of it yesterday. I'm sorry I haven't been so good at answering your questions.

LE is very interested in JZ because of the pot(?) found in his room and because he ran out on his rent. When LE asked JZ if he ever called Vegas, he said, "yeah, I call there a lot. I have family there." I wanted you supersluths to see if you could find out if that was true.

I haven't answered the GW questions because I'm tired of that subject not because I'm trying to hide something. I feel like things all check out there and I tried to explaine that way-back-when, but I guess my explanation didn't cut it. If someone could give their summary of that whole situ, I'll base my further comments off that.

If you want help from us, we really need all info whether you and family feel it's relevant or not. The advantages of having all of us here is that we will probably see something that you and family don't or that you and family don't want to see. I'm not seeing where anything will be accomplished with so much information lacking.

I'm not getting where the roomate is a big deal. He had pot in his room and that equals drug dealer? This info supposedly is from the landlord says that St. George LE says that he was a big time drug dealer. A big time drug dealer living with LDS men, stealing small kitchen appliances and can't pay his rent.....really? Does everyone realize how silly that sounds?

Unfortunately I know that world. The roomate is most likely nothing more than a harmless lazy pothead.

 

[webrocket]

It did not escape us how NONE of the LDS people who knew Steven was in Vegas asked him WHY he was in Vegas and I think most of us found that to be very strange.

I am saying that they may not have "pried" into his affairs, even though there is nothing wrong with asking anyone why they are in Vegas. They may not have wanted to know the answer to that question.

 

[renn3434]

WHAT??? I am LDS, and I would answer the question. Answering a question is not gossip. Are you kidding...someone is missing!!! Maybe you could better explain what you are suggesting b/c that just threw me. That we drop the Webb questioning without an answer?

I am also LDS and couldnt agree more with CC.

 

[Naegle]

I had the impression that LE wasn't that interested in Zirkle.

Is the "thing that cannot be mentioned" related to him? No

There's a boatload of Zirkles in Vegas; I'd be shocked if he wasn't related to some of them.
We're still trying to find his birth date, etc, before we can link him to someone. (Someone here may already have that info, but hasn't posted about it yet.)I don't have that info. Thanks to all who've been checking on this

Questions:
Did the landlord ever have the "pot" tested, or is this an assumption?Ask the landlord...
He's got a minor drug record, but not what you see in major criminals.
They haven't arrested him for being "one of the biggest drug dealers in St George" (as was posted here).
There must be something else that leads to him? I think it's just because he's shady. LE can't pin anything on him.
Has LE checked out his "family" in Vegas, and his whereabouts when Steven disappeared? His family-doubt it. JZ was at work when Steven disappeared.

Webb situ:

1 - Why was he in Vegas?Don't know. Wish I did.
It just seems odd that the President and Counselor would each, independently, decide to go to Vegas.
If it's odd that Steven went, why is it not odd that Webb went?

2 - After Steven said he couldn't cover him at PEC, GW told Steve that he'd do it himself....then the last we hear, is that they were trying to call Steven after all, because GW wasn't there by (at least) 11:15am.
Did Webb ever show up at the PEC? Don't know that either. I asked someone else in the fam to interview him again. It didn't happen.
When Webb knew he was running late, why didn't HE call his Bishop???

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

For the record...I am SOOO not suggesting that anyone in the church, GW included, had anything to do with Steven being gone. I AM theorizing that someone knows something, GW included.