NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #20

[laytonian]

I am with you, I have also been called out for not knowing imformation by someone and there is 19 threads, with about 300 post or more in each thread and I work two jobs one that is in LE (law enforcement). Some people don't have time to read so much and I am a speed reader, have masters in Sociology and for my thesis read over a hundred books, and countless articles and worked 32 hours a week in a three month time span. I can read a book in three hours. Give us a break please:banghead: I admire the dedication you all have devoted for this person but remember we all want to help and being rude to newbies is not going to help Steve Koecher.

Have you contacted Tricia (websleuths owner), as required by the TOS, to verify your professional LE status?

Can you refer us to the post where you were "called out" and treated rudely?

 

[laytonian]

My apologies to both of you; I was trying to be helpful and did not mean to sound rude. I didn't mean anybody should have read all umpteen gamillion threads, and when I referred to the FAQ and the timeline, I didn't mean it as a putdown, I was trying to point to where there were more complete and useful answers than anything I can give.

Again, my apologies. That was not my intent.

I don't think you need to apologize.

All either of us was trying to do, was help our new users be understood.
I didn't know how to "quote" when I first came here, either. I was pleased when people cared enough to teach me how, rather than ignoring me.

As for being "called out" - I think anyone who makes such an accusation, should refer to the very thread where they believe they were disrespected.

When new users are excited about their suggestion (the white SUV needs to be checked out, did anyone check phone records, what about the bank records, they need to search everyone's houses on EL, etc), maybe they feel put down when we explain it's been done....or why not?

I dunno. I think we should all realize that we're all doing our best.

 

[SassyBenton]

I don't think you need to apologize.

All either of us was trying to do, was help our new users be understood.
I didn't know how to "quote" when I first came here, either. I was pleased when people cared enough to teach me how, rather than ignoring me.

As for being "called out" - I think anyone who makes such an accusation, should refer to the very thread where they believe they were disrespected.

When new users are excited about their suggestion (the white SUV needs to be checked out, did anyone check phone records, what about the bank records, they need to search everyone's houses on EL, etc), maybe they feel put down when we explain it's been done....or why not?

I dunno. I think we should all realize that we're all doing our best.

Hopefully new eyes bring new ideas to this case.

 

[Fairy1]

Hopefully new eyes bring new ideas to this case.

This is absolutely my hope. It's just that there's no need to :deadhorse: with regard to ideas that have been discussed over and over and over again.

It's unfortunate that Steven has been missing long enough to have 19 threads.

 

[cats5vegas]

I wanted to welcome all of the newbies and those who are knew to this case. Thank you for bringing a fresh set of eyes, good questions, and thoughtful discussion. I still check in a couple times a day, but I've run out of ideas for now. And I truly appreciate those who have worked so hard on this case.

 

[laytonian]

Hopefully new eyes bring new ideas to this case.

I'd give up my last kidney, for a fresh idea ullhair:

 

[Fairy1]

Today's posts have got me to thinking.....there are some things that have been discussed over the many months where the answers we've gotten have not been entirely, shall we say, satisfying to everyone.

For the most part, I think those of us who've been here from the beginning have really held on to our initial theories, give or take. That said, I have tried not to have blinders on with regard to the theories of others. Most, if not all, have merit. There is just always some piece of the puzzle that doesn't quite fit.

My real hope right now is that those officially investigating the case or those who have access to information we haven't don't have blinders on.....

 

[laytonian]

Today's posts have got me to thinking.....there are some things that have been discussed over the many months where the answers we've gotten have not been entirely, shall we say, satisfying to everyone.

I think those unsatisfying things are that way, because they don't hold the answers.

 

[Fairy1]

I think those unsatisfying things are that way, because they don't hold the answers.

That's possible. But what bugs me really is that maybe they do.

 

[laytonian]

That's possible. But what bugs me really is that maybe they do.

What things are they?

I don't think in that "common" direction at all.
That one house and GW don't (to me) hold the answers -- UNLESS there is another link.

 

[Fairy1]

What things are they?

I don't think in that "common" direction at all.
That one house and GW don't (to me) hold the answers -- UNLESS there is another link.

We have no idea what holds the answers. My point is, there MAY be other links. I don't want to overlook them, but I don't want anyone else to overlook them either.

What "common" direction????

 

[laytonian]

We have no idea what holds the answers. My point is, there MAY be other links. I don't want to overlook them, but I don't want anyone else to overlook them either.

What "common" direction????

The common direction is always GW, and that one house (which have never even been linked) -- so they're separate issues.

LE has a handicap: they can't name a suspect/POI until they have sufficient evidence.
WE have an even greater handicap: we can't even discuss the names publicly, because they've not been named as POIs/suspects.

Frustrating, but legally understandable.

In this case, there isn't any evidence of what happened ... so there's nothing for LE to use to investigate.

 

[Fairy1]

The common direction is always GW, and that one house.

LE has a handicap: they can't name a suspect/POI until they have sufficient evidence.
WE have an even greater handicap: we can't even discuss the names publicly, because they've not been named as POIs/suspects.

Frustrating, but legally understandable.

Not for me!

 

[laytonian]

Not for me!

Besides the legal exposure that Websleuths could suffer, there's also the real chance that a suspect could be tipped off.

 

[Fairy1]

Besides the legal exposure that Websleuths could suffer, there's also the real chance that a suspect could be tipped off.

Well, I am free to have my own opinions, as is everyone here. Mine have changed over time, for many reasons. I will not share them here, as I have no desire to name anyone who may be innocent nor, possibly, guilty.

I will say, I hope LE is on top of things. For once in this case.

 

[Fairy1]

LE has a handicap: they can't name a suspect/POI until they have sufficient evidence.

Maybe they do and either have not dug further or haven't realized it.

In this case, there isn't any evidence of what happened ... so there's nothing for LE to use to investigate.

We don't know that.

 

[carbuff]

Besides the legal exposure that Websleuths could suffer, there's also the real chance that a suspect could be tipped off.

And not just Websleuths, but potentially the individuals making the statements.

It's libel (or slander, depending on the medium) to say somebody committed a crime they didn't. If the person has no criminal record, it's generally a fairly open and shut case. It gets a little harder to prove one's reputation has been damaged if one has a record, but if the asserted crime is in a different field, or significantly worse, that's often fairly open and shut as well.

That's why newspapers always talk about alleged crimes and accused suspects. I'm not saying don't do it, but be aware.

 

[sophieness]

would still be interested to know most recent job search activity and if there was any in the week or two prior to disappearance, esp in the nevada area...also how did it seem like his got most of his leads for jobs? had he ever answered a craigslist ad before? that wouldn't seem unusual on an email search if it had been some time prior but it would be relevant to a way he met people. did he do most of his searching online, by newspaper, by driveby, or all of the above. we know he did at least some online as a version of his resume is up and of course he did not always use his own computer. someone brought up a house phone early in the threads where he was living but that seemed kind of quickly dismissed...was there one? there are plenty of times my cellphone dies and I wish I had a housephone around. if he had used craigslist prior, maybe they could even be requested or subpeonad or something by a lawyer to show the months worth of records prior for the region.

most surveillance cameras are not very clear. it could be possible that steven had visited this place before during the night, or that someone revisited that car during the night to clean it up etc, and and we may not know. it seems like he did make a prior trip to vegas or henderson based on mesquite receipt and overton cell phone ping prior...his behavior seemed to grow more erratic after his conversations with his parents, when they found out about him being so behind on rent, that is when he seemed to maybe grow more desperate, just a few days before disappearing. I don't think the trip up to ruby valley was to see AN, although of course I could be wrong. I think he had a good idea she would be in SLC, but was in the area and wanted to stop in and say hello bc so rare for him to be in the area...couldn't quite explain his reason for being in the area so said he was possibly going on to sacramento, wanted to know if AN was there, etc.

I don't think we will probably know more until physical evidence is stumbled upon by an unsuspecting person, if ever, at this point. most of our good time windows have passed and the best ones passed before anyone even knew he was missing. the official searches have all cooled down. if I lived in SCA around anyone who had lived on evening lights or portsmouth I would def be watching because I think the answers have always been on that street (or streets). had he ever done church activities anywhere in nevada and may have met people through there? or possibly, someone on these streets had relatives or friends who lived in st. george. maybe they had ties to wendover or the ruby valley area. if it was closer to the time he disappeared, someone could have retraced his drive at the times of day he drove it and asked everyone at the little stops he made if they saw him, did he mention anything, was anyone with him, etc. sounds like this may have been done for the southern areas but have not read about wendover etc area yet. I do understand that window has passed. are there flyers in those areas still just in case, even where he went up north?

it concerns me that the family did not find the passport until sometime had passed bc did not want to go through all of his things...I assume by now everything has been picked over by people who knew him well and not just LE who may not be able to see something out of character? I know that they did everything they felt capable of doing, at the time.

If it seems like I am beating a dead horse, please feel free to not respond unless you feel like it!! no need to be annoyed, just ignore and I will get caught up eventually. I think there is still at least some information/evidence to be found it is just that the only ones privy to it would be law enforcement, family, PI. there are many places we can't look and people we can't talk to bc coming from a random person it is more of an invasion of privacy.

do they use metal detectors for searches? because if something is buried the only way to find like, a belt buckle, may be something like that. except for dogs but it would be too late for that.

 

[sophieness]

ok no landline...

 

[laytonian]

Maybe they do and either have not dug further or haven't realized it.

We don't know that.

Actually, we do know it. Unfortunately.

Until some information surfaces that tells LE a crime has been committed,
there's really not much investigation going on here. Yes, it's "active" but
that just means it's not been closed or cold-cased.