NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #20

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  • #321
Yes, I believe that there is a possibility that he drove to RV strictly to see AM. No other motive fits and the time line doesn't allow for much else. She was the most recent or most well known woman in his romantic life. With locating a wife as one of his two primary goals, I think that it is entirely possible that he may have still been holding out hope for his relationship with AM or that he needed to find closure from the relationship. His early morning departure for a relatively secretive13 hr round trip drive rings more of a decision of emotion, not logic.

SK's missionary days may have been behind him, but the habits and/or lifestyle he had learned from those days were not. He was not living a life greatly advanced or removed from the missionary lifestyle. He didn't have strong ties to his current residence in St. G besides his involvement in his church. His employment was a door to door job which is very similar to missionary work.

And, missionaries do not have a great deal of money and live in a very frugal manner. Missionaries will frequently only have one or two suits and five shirts that they wash and re-use each week. He would be accustomed to making journeys or trips and packing very little in the way of clothing. Additionally, traveling to Sacramento would not be daunting to someone who lived for 2 yrs in Brazil while serving a mission. Foreign or new places would not present the same to SK as it would to someone who had not lived in a foreign country when they were age 19-21.

Not to mention, missionaries do not use the internet, phones, or e-mail on a daily basis. Their access to communication devices and computers is very limited and is restricted to a single e-mail session on their "P" day (Personal day). He would be very accustomed to a more face to face style of communication and making arrangements through in-person conversations.

Simply look at his cell phone usage before he disappeared. It would be considered rather sparse when compared to your average user. If he was more reliant on technology and cell phones, he would have left a greater call record, more text messages, and had more e-mail contact. But, the records just don't support that.

SK was living more of a missionary lifestyle than he was of your typical all American 30 yr old, established, adult single man. When examining his actions and making conjectures about his decisions prior to his disappearance, I think that recognizing how his life really hadn't progressed since he was a missionary could be very useful to understanding him.

In doing so, his actions become more reasonable if we factor in his strong desire to be a typical 30 yr man with a wife and a steady job, completely independent from his family. That was his focus and that would have been driving his decision making.

The trip to Ruby Valley is odd, as AN wasn't even there. I'm reviewing older threads, and I'll copy and paste the postings for reference.

Pg #5, 2-3-2010 #22 Yeahitsanna

Originally Posted by seekingsusan
Has Naegle talked to AN. And did AN call Steven? Frankly, if one of my friends stopped by my parents house, my parents would call me right away to tell me someone was looking for me, and they had lunch together etc. Then you would expect AN to call Steven and be like "What's up? Do you want to talk or something?" And wouldn't she probably say "Oh your headed home through Salt Lake? Why don't you stop by or meet me for lunch?" If this did happen, maybe AN knows something about Steven's travels.

Even if Steven never called her, wouldn't the fact he appeared to be trying to contact her make her want to contact him????

I think its weird he stopped there in the first place. AN didnt even know he was living in st george nor did she call him after she heard hed stopped. I dunno but if someone didnt know basic stuff about me, im prob not gonna go in and have lunch with their family for hours. Just seems weird.
 
  • #322
pg #5, #24

i met Steve a couple of years ago in my ward in Salt Lake. He came out to my house in Ruby Valley, NV a couple of years ago with a group of people to our family's cattle branding. My mom informed me that he stopped by my house in Nevada on Dec. 8th around 11 a.m. I was in Salt Lake at the time and didn't know he had stopped by until a day later. He asked if I was home, but my mom told him I was living in Salt Lake, but invited him in for lunch. He visited with them for a couple of hours. He said he was on his way to Sacramento. He said that he was currently living in St. George and had a job washing windows. I personally did not have any contact with him about these events, just the information that my mom gave me"

Weird? Weird that he didnt know she was living elsewhere before? Weird that he stayed for lunch? Maybe its just me...
 
  • #323
That is a long drive to visit with AN in Ruby Valley without calling ahead to confirm he'd get to visit with her! Considering he could have seen her in SLC, since this is where she was at the time.

I don't have the answers either. Some of us thought perhaps he was in the area for something else, and just stopped by AN's family home.
 
  • #324
His restlessness belies some sort of schism in his lifestyle that seems like he was considering a move and had about a week to go before he left and was going nuts with anxiety.

This makes sense to me, but I'm an anxious person, and would probably behave in a restless manner. For example, we are moving in Aug to Sacramento, and there are things that I want to do before we leave, as go to the Skywalk at the Grand Canyon before we move, visit my family in Santa Fe, etc. The purpose is so we don't have to drive so far to do these things while we still are living in Las Vegas.

Santa Fe is about a 11-12 hr drive, so I would not make the drive without calling ahead to confirm that my family would be in town.

If Steven was planning on leaving one would think he'd like to see his family before leaving. At least one of his siblings, if not the entire family.

Not sure that I really have a point to this post, but just sharing thoughts.
 
  • #325
This makes sense to me, but I'm an anxious person, and would probably behave in a restless manner. For example, we are moving in Aug to Sacramento, and there are things that I want to do before we leave, as go to the Skywalk at the Grand Canyon before we move, visit my family in Santa Fe, etc. The purpose is so we don't have to drive so far to do these things while we still are living in Las Vegas.

Santa Fe is about a 11-12 hr drive, so I would not make the drive without calling ahead to confirm that my family would be in town.

If Steven was planning on leaving one would think he'd like to see his family before leaving. At least one of his siblings, if not the entire family.

Not sure that I really have a point to this post, but just sharing thoughts.

Sure. Sharing thoughts is the purpose here.

To the odd behavior he was exhibiting, I think he knew he was shoving off and he just couldn't find a release for the anxiety (don't drink, don't smoke...what do you do? Subtle innuendo follows) as the ETD approached. He gets so involved in the next 48 hours that he's essentially just driving to kill time. He doesn't care about burning money on gas because in a week, money won't be a concern. He ends up at the girl's family ranch because he was out driving aimlessly thinking about his life in the Foreign Legion/Monastery/Cult and he just stops in to see if there is any last anchor to his soon to be past life. There isn't and he says goodbye to all that and flies/leaves Vegas for parts unknown to begin his new life.
 
  • #326
That is a long drive to visit with AN in Ruby Valley without calling ahead to confirm he'd get to visit with her! Considering he could have seen her in SLC, since this is where she was at the time.

I don't have the answers either. Some of us thought perhaps he was in the area for something else, and just stopped by AN's family home.

True. In fact, he had to know that AN had lived in SLC for the last several years ... because that's where they met (at the same LDS singles ward). The visit to the ranch in 2008 was part of a church group activity. We don't even know if AN's parents would have recognized him or if it was a welcome visit.

I've never driven his route in one stop, but have recently driven the I-15 and I-80 portions separately (several times) .....and each of those halves is long and boring. Add in the winter darkness, no stops, and it's mind-numbing to think about.

I don't think Ruby Valley was his destination, but (IF he was doing "legitimate work" for someone) maybe it wasn't far off-route. ????
 
  • #327
The trip to Ruby Valley is odd, as AN wasn't even there. I'm reviewing older threads, and I'll copy and paste the postings for reference.

Pg #5, 2-3-2010 #22 Yeahitsanna

Originally Posted by seekingsusan
Has Naegle talked to AN. And did AN call Steven? Frankly, if one of my friends stopped by my parents house, my parents would call me right away to tell me someone was looking for me, and they had lunch together etc. Then you would expect AN to call Steven and be like "What's up? Do you want to talk or something?" And wouldn't she probably say "Oh your headed home through Salt Lake? Why don't you stop by or meet me for lunch?" If this did happen, maybe AN knows something about Steven's travels.

Even if Steven never called her, wouldn't the fact he appeared to be trying to contact her make her want to contact him????

I think its weird he stopped there in the first place. AN didnt even know he was living in st george nor did she call him after she heard hed stopped. I dunno but if someone didnt know basic stuff about me, im prob not gonna go in and have lunch with their family for hours. Just seems weird.

We don't know if the visit was welcome; he may have tried to call her a few times, and she didn't answer. He may have knocked on her door in SLC, and she wasn't there.

I don't think her parents even called her about the visit, because the date would have been more definite if they had.

All we know, is that they saw him as a "church friend" who had been to their place about 18 months before, to see cattle being branded.

If he drove there to see her, it looks like manic driving.
If he merely stopped there while on an errand, it looks more like a "rest stop".
 
  • #328
Or for that matter he may have joined a monastic order or has become a religious ascetic? His restlessness belies some sort of schism in his lifestyle that seems like he was considering a move and had about a week to go before he left and was going nuts with anxiety.

Such an action (monastic lifestyle) would mean a complete break with his religion, which is family and group-centered. There's nothing in their religion, similar to a commune, ascetic lifestyle or monastery.
 
  • #329
Thanks for the info Laytonian. The FCC keeps a list of all registered cell phone towers which identifies the location, owners, and providers. Is there enough information on the records that were used to obtain SK's pings to be able to compare to the FCC list? If there is, we might be able to home in on the exact towers.

No; the FCC list and what we have, aren't compatible in most cases. In fact, we found out that not all towers are FCC-registered :(

We have cell tower names, from one company. The company that owns the tower, may give it a different name. (I'm very familiar with electronic billboards -- and each of them has six different names!)
 
  • #330
pg #5, #24 AN's Statement

"i met Steve a couple of years ago in my ward in Salt Lake. He came out to my house in Ruby Valley, NV a couple of years ago with a group of people to our family's cattle branding. My mom informed me that he stopped by my house in Nevada on Dec. 8th around 11 a.m. I was in Salt Lake at the time and didn't know he had stopped by until a day later. He asked if I was home, but my mom told him I was living in Salt Lake, but invited him in for lunch. He visited with them for a couple of hours. He said he was on his way to Sacramento. He said that he was currently living in St. George and had a job washing windows. I personally did not have any contact with him about these events, just the information that my mom gave me."

There are a couple of things to recognize about AN's statement. This isnt' a pure, uncontaminated version. Foresnic Statement Analysis (FSA) would suggest that this statement was given after she had been questioned and the wording is reflective of that. This isn't the manner or tone of how someone talks in normal conversations and as such, it may also be an incomplete and/or artificial statement. This doesn't mean that she is being deceptive, it just means that we aren't seeing a version of her true original word choosing.

In knowing that most users aren't trained in FSA, I'll point out a couple of easy things to spot. The usage of the word "informed" is overly formal and removed. Does your mother inform you of things or does she tell you about things? Then AN specifies a date and time in such a way that is atypical of normal communication. This type of reference to date and time would more commonly be found in statements that are provided to Law Enforcement. This type of contamination happens directly because of talking with Law Enforcement which in turn changes how people communicate their answers.

A sentence later, the mother "told him" which is a change in communication. There is yet another change in how AN refers to the exchanges with her mother and that is in the closing statement where AN uses the word "gave." Altogether, the mother's communication styles have been described as "informed, told, and gave."

There's another sign that she is not providing a complete version of events when the pro-nouns are examined. AN speaks of SK and her mother, but then when SK is invited to lunch, we now have a plural pro-noun of "them" in the "He visited with them." Who is the other person there visiting? Well, in other news reports, we know that it was her parents (mother and father) that were visiting with SK. But, it is important to note that AN makes no reference to her father. This is part of the missing information that may or may not have any importance to SK's visit.

Another easy lingustic flag is the usage of the word "personally" and the lack of a contraction for "did not." When we do things, we all do them personally. This is unnecessary information that is utilized to emphasize a point. When statements lack contractions, i.e. did not vs. didn't, it is another example of trying to emphasize a denial. People stop using contractions when they want to take extra care that the listener hears the denial of knowledge or doing.

Then, when AN states that she did have any contact with him about "these" events, she isn't stating that she didn't have any contact with him at all. Just no contact in reference to the events and the day in question. She could have had contact with him before or after, but she is being specific and exclusive by using the word "these."

There is enough in AN's statement to suggest that she isn't telling everything. HOWEVER, what information she is leaving out may not be important and it does not mean that she isn't being truthful.
 
  • #331
Such an action (monastic lifestyle) would mean a complete break with his religion, which is family and group-centered. There's nothing in their religion, similar to a commune, ascetic lifestyle or monastery.

But he also wouldn't be the first person to convert from a religion which doesn't to one which does or to walk away from a religious orientation altogether. I think to require that his actions are continually congruous LDS lifestyle lacks objectivity and most importantly dismisses the ability of the mind to decide that LDS life isn't providing the fulfillment he seeks. He could be Andy Dufresne somewhere where people have know idea who the Mormons are and him helping around a local school in Thirdworldistan is providing more satisfaction than he knew in his previous life.

And personally I don't believe supposing he may have been homosexual is in any way derogatory. In fact, treating it as a pejorative is derogatory. There's a very real chance he found a congregation that accepts same-sex couples that isn't LDS. There's a very real chance he isn't homosexual and also is no longer in LDS.


  • He could have very well decided that he wanted out but because his entire universe was oriented on LDS from his family, to friends to the external organizational functions coordinated by LDS.

  • There was no way to make a clean break OTHER than hitting the reset because he's going to be shunned. Why stick around to be shunned?

  • He may still be a spiritual person but perhaps LDS wasn't something he could reconcile or providing the spiritual enrichment he sought and he found something non-LDS that did.

He really comes across as a guy who is starting to believe his entire life to that point has been a pointless exercise (read as: waste of time) and he wants out of Dodge. Another poster said the move to St. George was the test run and I think there's something to that. A guy with his interests isn't going to find fulfillment in handing out window washing/sales flyers and what is religion if not a vehicle to personal and spiritual fulfillment (perceived or otherwise)
 
  • #332
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pg #5, #24 AN's Statement

"i met Steve a couple of years ago in my ward in Salt Lake. He came out to my house in Ruby Valley, NV a couple of years ago with a group of people to our family's cattle branding. My mom informed me that he stopped by my house in Nevada on Dec. 8th around 11 a.m. I was in Salt Lake at the time and didn't know he had stopped by until a day later. He asked if I was home, but my mom told him I was living in Salt Lake, but invited him in for lunch. He visited with them for a couple of hours. He said he was on his way to Sacramento. He said that he was currently living in St. George and had a job washing windows. I personally did not have any contact with him about these events, just the information that my mom gave me."
In knowing that most users aren't trained in FSA, I'll point out a couple of easy things to spot........

Wow! Lots of interesting analysis - thanks!

Things that stand out in AN's statement -
Wants to disassociate herself from him, no personal contact, and no interest in SK.
Interesting the mention of "was on his way" - that sounds like something I would say if I wanted someone to be on their way, away from me...
Interesting the mention of SK's lowly window washing job...
followed by the "I personally did not have any contact"....
 
  • #333
pg #5, #24 AN's Statement
There is enough in AN's statement to suggest that she isn't telling everything. HOWEVER, what information she is leaving out may not be important and it does not mean that she isn't being truthful.

That's sort of what I gather...she is only interested in limiting/removing her association with with his disappearance. But that could also be because of whom she is speaking to as well. People often change their vernacular depending on their audience. If she's talking to LEOs then I would expect something like what you have dissected.

I suspect her diction but not the message conveyed would change say if she were talking to a friend about the subject matter we have quoted.
 
  • #334
pg #5, #24 AN's Statement

There are a couple of things to recognize about AN's statement. This isnt' a pure, uncontaminated version. Foresnic Statement Analysis (FSA) would suggest that this statement was given after she had been questioned and the wording is reflective of that. This isn't the manner or tone of how someone talks in normal conversations and as such, it may also be an incomplete and/or artificial statement. This doesn't mean that she is being deceptive, it just means that we aren't seeing a version of her true original word choosing.

Perhaps a little background is in order.

That statement was made on the "Help Us Find Steven Koecher" facebook page, under the heading "HOW DO YOU KNOW STEVEN"?

It's my understanding that she was purely answering that question and telling people how she knew him. It's also how she talks about other things, on her own page.

It's also my understanding that she had not been previously questioned; no one knew that Steven had been to Ruby Valley, until she mentioned it on the Facebook page. When Mrs Koecher talked about "Wendover" in those early days, that's due to a purchase he made there. No one knew he had driven much further.

The "HOW DO YOU KNOW STEVEN?" discussion page is no longer visible on that FB page; due to problems with interlopers, spammers and general disruptions - the discussions area has been disabled. Understandably so.
 
  • #335
Perhaps a little background is in order.

That statement was made on the "Help Us Find Steven Koecher" facebook page, under the heading "HOW DO YOU KNOW STEVEN"?

It's my understanding that she was purely answering that question and telling people how she knew him. It's also how she talks about other things, on her own page.

Thanks. That definitely provides a much needed context because taken in a vacuum that statement, as mentioned earlier, creates more questions than it answers.
 
  • #336
FWIW, I know with Amish/Mennonite teens and young adults there are external networks of people who have left behind a culture to which they felt uncomfortable with because of conflicting values or beliefs which they have harbored but not really mentioned. I wonder if SK found some sort of group that would facilitate/support his transition and for that reason he has basically gone MIA because in his past life there wouldn't be anyone who wouldn't objectively listen. I'm not saying that the crisis would be meaningless to an LDS minister/Peer who would only be interested in retaining a church member, but perhaps SK just felt that there wasn't an objective ear to whom he could discuss issues frankly.

IMO, this is more likely the cause for his Houdini act than being lured into some spider's web as an unwitting fly.

Perplexing mystery indeed........
 
  • #337
Thanks. That definitely provides a much needed context because taken in a vacuum that statement, as mentioned earlier, creates more questions than it answers.

True, but after finding out that people were bothering her, I removed the timeline link to her FB page and "help us find" comments.
 
  • #338
FWIW, I know with Amish/Mennonite teens and young adults there are external networks of people who have left behind a culture to which they felt uncomfortable with because of conflicting values or beliefs which they have harbored but not really mentioned. I wonder if SK found some sort of group that would facilitate/support his transition and for that reason he has basically gone MIA because in his past life there wouldn't be anyone who wouldn't objectively listen. I'm not saying that the crisis would be meaningless to an LDS minister/Peer who would only be interested in retaining a church member, but perhaps SK just felt that there wasn't an objective ear to whom he could discuss issues frankly.

IMO, this is more likely the cause for his Houdini act than being lured into some spider's web as an unwitting fly.

Perplexing mystery indeed........

I know lots of Jack Mormons. They just quit going to church.
Formally leaving the LDS church is quite a process, but the inactives just kinda let their status be known, and meld with a different group.
 
  • #339
True, but after finding out that people were bothering her, I removed the timeline link to her FB page and "help us find" comments.

Probably a good idea on a number of levels.
 
  • #340
I know lots of Jack Mormons. They just quit going to church.
Formally leaving the LDS church is quite a process, but the inactives just kinda let their status be known, and meld with a different group.

That also depends on having other group to identify with. There a good number of websites which focus on reacting to crises of faith with testimonies from people for whom the crisis wouldn't be alleviated by going inactive and display a lot of manic behavior....you know....like driving around the like he's orbiting some invisible planet.
 
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