NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #21

[Aimee]

Also, the LL does not seem to have been suspected of having any involvement in Steven's disappearance. His arrests have been for relatively minor offenses. I wouldn't consider him to be a major player in any cartel activity. He's a dunce.

Being a dunce is a perfect candidate in the person I would be looking for.
Someone involved in illicit activities, someone that Steven may owed money too, someone who asked Steven go on all of these mysterious travels, last seen parking his car at a dead end and walking away with a backpack tucked under his arm. Someone who funded all the money to pay for all the gas and food that Steven needed for all these travels. Someone who may have taking care of his back rent Steven owed so that Steven did not have to use the money his mother and grandmother gave him towards his back rent. Someone who made Steven feel like he's going to be OK, just like the way Steven told his father he was.

Further, IMO, we need to find out exactly which house Steven went too carrying that back pack in Anthem. We can not go by the Deed ownership of these houses on Evening Lights St because some of the people who owned those houses owned other houses elsewhere. And regarding that white van shown in the historic Google maps, to me it appears to be a passenger van with side windows. I see what appears to be side windows on the drivers side of that white van. Unless it is just a shadow or I am looking to hard at it. The van in question is a brand new looking white Ford E150 work van with no side windows with some kind of aftermarket tail light covers/louvers that extend toward the side pillars of the rear doors.

 

[Fairy1]

If we knew what house he was going to, we'd likely know what happened to Steven.

The problem with the theory of Steven running drugs or money for his LL is that it was the LL that called Steven's parents regarding his being behind on the rent. Why would he do that if Steven was working for him?

 

[Aimee]

If we knew what house he was going to, we'd likely know what happened to Steven.

The problem with the theory of Steven running drugs or money for his LL is that it was the LL that called Steven's parents regarding his being behind on the rent. Why would he do that if Steven was working for him?

Is this when the LL called Steven Parents?

First week Dec
•Unable to reach Steven about three months' rent due, landlord calls SK's parents (listed as contacts on the rental application) and leaves a voicemail. "DH had mentioned to me that Steven seemed quite a bit younger than he really was." [stillLooking 1 and 2].

•"[SK] was a few months behind on rent but he was working with [my husband] on a plan to catch it up." (Source: landlady)

•"That's DH, he was trying to work with Steve and Steve had paid a little bit, he had been paying some part of the utilities to help keep them on. And making promises and plans to catch up the rent." [stillLooking]


Is this the only and last call the LL made to Stevens parents? the one you are referring too?

Right when his LL was "working out a Plan" for Steven to catch up with his rent?

Right Before all of Steven mysterious travels began?

Was that the "plan" they worked out?

Was there any more phone calls after this "plan", from Stevens LL to Stevens parents after the LL "worked out a plan" to catch up with Stevens back rent?

If the LL and Steven "worked out a plan" how many text messages and phone calls did Steven receive from his LL after they "worked out that plan"?

Steven's life seemed quite normal BEFORE the "Plan". And whatever the "plan" that was worked out between Steven and his LL, according to Stevens timeline, the only thing I see in the next few days after the "planning" is Steven driving on "autopilot" with all these mysterious travels of somebody's.. with lots of money to burn for gas and food last seen with a back pack under his arm at Anthem.. walks down EL St, then disappears.

 

[Fairy1]

I don't recall exactly when LL called Steven's parents. But yes, it could have been weeks before Steven went missing. Enough time for the LL to come up with a "plan." And yes, he did call Steven's cell - his personal cell - several times the day he went missing. That's something that's always bothered me.

Trust me, there are numerous people who have begged LE to look closer at the LL in relation to Steven's disappearance. If that's ever been done, they're not talking about it. I personally don't believe they've done anything in that regard. Although he's been arrested multiple times since Steven went missing.

 

[Aimee]

I don't recall exactly when LL called Steven's parents. But yes, it could have been weeks before Steven went missing. Enough time for the LL to come up with a "plan." And yes, he did call Steven's cell - his personal cell - several times the day he went missing. That's something that's always bothered me.

Trust me, there are numerous people who have begged LE to look closer at the LL in relation to Steven's disappearance. If that's ever been done, they're not talking about it. I personally don't believe they've done anything in that regard. Although he's been arrested multiple times since Steven went missing.

It would be interesting to know exactly how many calls/texts where made between Steven and his landlord after this "plan" was made, till Steven disappeared in Anthem.

 

[Montjoy]

So exhausted by all of this, I'm not even sure if I can try to figure out the agenda. JMO.

 

[Fairy1]

It would be interesting to know exactly how many calls/texts where made between Steven and his landlord after this "plan" was made, till Steven disappeared in Anthem.

I don't recall exactly - but I always felt it was too many calls from someone with whom a payment plan had already been agreed upon.

One other thing - IIRC - while Steven's car was never properly processed by LE, drug sniffing dogs were brought in and there was no indication of drugs having been in that car. So if Steven was running anything for anyone, it wasn't drugs.

 

[Aimee]

I don't recall exactly - but I always felt it was too many calls from someone with whom a payment plan had already been agreed upon.

One other thing - IIRC - while Steven's car was never properly processed by LE, drug sniffing dogs were brought in and there was no indication of drugs having been in that car. So if Steven was running anything for anyone, it wasn't drugs.

Coming from Utah (up North) suggests money may of been in the Back pack,. I am pretty sure I mentioned this is my previous posts. If it was money in the back pack, it would be the "buy" money for drugs, drugs that never entered Stevens car as of yet at the time. And if that's the case, this would set Steven up for a high risk of being robbed.

Also, I am finding it quite odd that residence with the white van and the pickup truck as shown on Google earth historical data, would be owned and vacated by seniors of 70+ years of age. Especially when hey owned another home in Henderson that is twice the size of the one on EL St. in Anthem.

 

[Fairy1]

Coming from Utah (up North) suggests money may of been in the Back pack,. I am pretty sure I mentioned this is my previous posts. If it was money in the back pack, it would be the "buy" money for drugs, drugs that never entered Stevens car as of yet at the time. And if that's the case, this would set Steven up for a high risk of being robbed.

Also, I am finding it quite odd that residence with the white van and the pickup truck as shown on Google earth historical data, would be owned and vacated by seniors of 70+ years of age. Especially when hey owned another home in Henderson that is twice the size of the one on EL St. in Anthem.

I don't find it odd. Many of the homes on EL and Savannah Springs were - at the time Steven went missing anyway - owned by family trusts. Also, prior to 2008 or so, the real estate business in Vegas was booming and it wasn't unusual for people to own multiple homes.

This particular neighborhood is a senior community. The association is, by all accounts, quite strict. There is roving mobile security and - lest we forget - the house w/surveillance that captured Steven's image. I really just can't see many shenanigans going on around there.

One other thought.....when Steven spoke to his friend the morning he went missing, he was quite willing to turn around and go back to St. George - though he was literally entering the Las Vegas area during the conversation. I've always wondered why he was so willing to go back if his business here was so important. Surely, carrying drug money to cartel members isn't really an optional endeavor. I have to assume you are to be where you are to be when you are told. Period.

 

[Aimee]

I don't find it odd. Many of the homes on EL and Savannah Springs were - at the time Steven went missing anyway - owned by family trusts. Also, prior to 2008 or so, the real estate business in Vegas was booming and it wasn't unusual for people to own multiple homes.

This particular neighborhood is a senior community. The association is, by all accounts, quite strict. There is roving mobile security and - lest we forget - the house w/surveillance that captured Steven's image. I really just can't see many shenanigans going on around there.

One other thought.....when Steven spoke to his friend the morning he went missing, he was quite willing to turn around and go back to St. George - though he was literally entering the Las Vegas area during the conversation. I've always wondered why he was so willing to go back if his business here was so important. Surely, carrying drug money to cartel members isn't really an optional endeavor. I have to assume you are to be where you are to be when you are told. Period.

What I meant, IMO, is odd for a 70+ senior couple to own a Van and a Pickup Truck. Not odd to own multiple houses. Usually when they own multiple houses they do not reside in all the houses they own, especially all in the same town.

 

[Aimee]

Here is another strange coincidence, the day Steven goes missing, the landlords decided to spend the night over their house where Steven rented a room at:

"The second time I peeked into his room was just before he went missing. We stayed at the house overnight and I think it was the Monday of the 14th. We were on our way back to Orem and I again just wanted to make sure he hadn't up and moved out. This time his room looked cleaned up. The bed was made and the piles were gone/put away. Things looked neat and tidy but it still looked like everything was there and he was still living there." [stillLooking]

Like they was waiting to see Steven in person.

 

[ktgirl]

What I meant, IMO, is odd for a 70+ senior couple to own a Van and a Pickup Truck. Not odd to own multiple houses. Usually when they own multiple houses they do not reside in all the houses they own, especially all in the same town.

Is it odd for a senior couple to own a van and a pickup? I know a few such couples that do and have never thought there was anything nefarious going on due to the vehicles they owned. I've never heard anyone say that it was suspicious.

My 70+ year old parents own a van & a pickup. I'd say it's not that uncommon in the South, at least. I promise you my 70 something year old parents aren't drug runners. They like big vehicles and space. Many senior couples I know have a van (it will fit all the grandkids, etc) and a truck (we like our pickup trucks in the South). I'd never give such a thing a second thought. Am I weird for thinking that a senior couple owning a van & truck is normal and unsuspicous?

 

[SassyBenton]

A) I was buying drugs from the Cartel. The head of the Cartel delivered them using his white Ford Van. He was so dam nervous on his cell phone he forgot to ask me for the money and left with out it. I heard a lot about him, but it was the first time I met him and the last time right before he took off the southern California.

B) To help bust the crooks that may be involved in Stevens disappearance.

C)The Sinaloa Cartel is a bunch of very interesting people. I enjoyed very much learning about them in person.

And little about me:

I knew 5 murders personally.
4 of which murdered 2 of my friends.

And the rest of my friends growing up are all dead from drug related homicides, suicides and overdoses. All except 2 of them that are still alive today.

I'm no expert on cartels or selling drugs BUT I highly doubt the head of a cartel would be delivering drugs himself, he would have a someone else doing that dirty work for him. Sorry, but this info isn't being backed up by ANYTHING so it's a bit hard to swallow.

 

[Aimee]

I'm no expert on cartels or selling drugs BUT I highly doubt the head of a cartel would be delivering drugs himself, he would have a someone else doing that dirty work for him. Sorry, but this info isn't being backed up by ANYTHING so it's a bit hard to swallow.

I am referring to the head of this particular Las Vegas group/cell at the time.
It was the first and last time I saw him. All the other times was Mexican runners and a few American couriers I met, sometimes they used his white Ford F150 pickup truck. Read my other posts for specific information about this particular group. I would estimate about 15-20 Mexican Cartel groups residing and operating out of Las Vegas / Henderson alone.
There are no pretty pictures hanging on my walls, and I tell it how it is.

Sheriff Paul Babeu knows this is a serious threat in his community he protects.
And according to his website http://www.sheriffpaul.com/meet-paul/,
Paul estimates Pinal County contains an estimated 75 – 100 drug cartel cells and listening posts/observation posts.

I recommend people to read his website and educate yourselves to a new kind of threat we have going on in our neighborhoods.. hopefully to prevent history for repeating itself again to others.

 

[Aimee]

Check out this excellent documentary on the Sinaloa Cartel on You Tube:
Drugs Inc | Cartel City: Arizona [S04E09] - YouTube
Around 8:10 accurately explains how the cartel is organized in the US. (bosses, crews)

A major problem arises when someone looses a load of money or drugs, for example, a LE seizure from on over reached search warrant, with money or drugs belonging to the cartel. Now that person who got busted owes a lot of money to the cartel and is scared.
So that person finds someone to deliver what is left (a shortage) to the cartel, and as you can see from this video.. the possible consequences.

 

[Fairy1]

I appreciate the cartel information, but nothing you've provided ties into the disappearance of Steven Koecher. Why and how would a nice, young Mormon guy from St. George, Utah be caught up in this world and, if he was, what happened to him?

 

[Montjoy]

I appreciate the cartel information, but nothing you've provided ties into the disappearance of Steven Koecher. Why and how would a nice, young Mormon guy from St. George, Utah be caught up in this world and, if he was, what happened to him?

I'm guessing that I'm not the only person bowing to your diplomacy and circumspection right now.

 

[Dixie811]

I'd like to mention something that caught my attention when re-watching Steven's Disappeared episode-- in light of all this cartel talk.

Steven's roommate was apparently into drinking, perhaps partying… seemingly less on the 'straight & narrow' than Steven. If Steven did get into anything less than wholesome, I would imagine that his roommate could have provided some insight to the police when questioned (if nothing else, because they lived together). It's obvious to me why Steven wouldn't have discussed any sketchy activity with his family, but a roommate who does not adhere to such strict lifestyle standards and has no ties to your family or church? It seems like that would be the one person who might have an indication of if Steven was 'straying' from the moral high-ground. And, although we are not privy to everything investigators know, I am not aware that Steven's roommate indicated at all that Steven was straying from his religious/moral beliefs or was involved in anything nefarious out of desperation or otherwise.

Just some thoughts. I hope that made sense.

 

[Fairy1]

I'd like to mention something that caught my attention when re-watching Steven's Disappeared episode-- in light of all this cartel talk.

Steven's roommate was apparently into drinking, perhaps partying… seemingly less on the 'straight & narrow' than Steven. If Steven did get into anything less than wholesome, I would imagine that his roommate could have provided some insight to the police when questioned (if nothing else, because they lived together). It's obvious to me why Steven wouldn't have discussed any sketchy activity with his family, but a roommate who does not adhere to such strict lifestyle standards and has no ties to your family or church? It seems like that would be the one person who might have an indication of if Steven was 'straying' from the moral high-ground. And, although we are not privy to everything investigators know, I am not aware that Steven's roommate indicated at all that Steven was straying from his religious/moral beliefs or was involved in anything nefarious out of desperation or otherwise.

Just some thoughts. I hope that made sense.

You're right, the roommate was definitely not like Steven. And probably for that reason, they were not friends. My guess is that neither one of them paid much attention to the comings and goings of the other. And, IIRC, the roommate had moved out some time prior to Steven going missing. I don't remember how long before - will have to try to go back and see if I can find that answer. I don't think he was still around when Steven started driving all over the place.

 

[Dixie811]

You're right, the roommate was definitely not like Steven. And probably for that reason, they were not friends. My guess is that neither one of them paid much attention to the comings and goings of the other. And, IIRC, the roommate had moved out some time prior to Steven going missing. I don't remember how long before - will have to try to go back and see if I can find that answer. I don't think he was still around when Steven started driving all over the place.

You're right, I agree with you. & IIRC you are right that the roommate moved out prior to Steven disappearing.

But I do remember Steven's cousin saying on Disappeared that the roommate had attended a couple of church functions (basketball, etc) with Steven… but for the most part was not interested in joining Steven in church activities. While this lends to the idea that the two didn't have much in common, it does indicate that Steven and his roommate did communicate and spend a little time together on some level (at least for a period of time).

I am not thinking that the roommate had any involvement in Steven's disappearance. I am moreso wondering if the two had any conversations that in hindsight could have indicated Steven was interested in "branching out". If Steven was curious about lifestyles that he didn't feel comfortable discussing with his family and church friends, could he have passively brought it up in a conversation at the fridge while grabbing lunch? YKWIM?



FWIW, I don't actually believe that Steven became involved in anything nefarious. It's my belief that he was most likely taken advantage of upon arriving at his destination on Dec 13 2009-- thinking he was meeting someone for a business opportunity or job.