NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #21

[MLE]

Yeah, I don't like how the show usually morphs (no pun intended) into discussions on the paranormal. But occasionally, the show stays on topic. I've listened to a couple of interviews of Catherine Austin Fitts and the interviews actually stayed focused on macroeconomics.

I'll be making raspberry jam all night and this is the only thing I can get on my antenna radio in the middle of the night here in the rural mountains. I was pleasantly surprised when I saw the tonight's topic, since it's something I'm interested in hearing.

The shows sometimes end up on YouTube.

I agree that at somepoint, someone will present a theory of :ufo: :abduction:

 

[fridaybaker]

Fairy, you state that SK was arriving in the LV area on Sunday morning. I thought that the only information we had was that he left his apartment at about 10:30pm on Sat. eve. Am I missing something?

Also, my understanding of the phone calls is that there were a few people who called SK after the car was parked but only two of them were considered to be "out of the ordinary" at all and only because those two people made many calls in the 3 or 4 days, one 9 times: the landlord and the boss.

I think you know this better than I, though. Could you clarify? Thanks.

 

[OldSteve]

His boss and his landlord were calling and/or texting him frequently until he disappeared. The calls from both stopped rather abruptly, IMO. It could have been because, once the phone went dead, the calls were going straight to voicemail and they just gave up. Then again, maybe one or both knew he wasn't going to answer anymore.

That is strange - don't know what to make of it.

Something I've wondered about and want to ask you -

Could Steven have parked his car where he did because he wanted to sneak into the golf course that's close by? Meet someone at the gold course club house? Try to even catty?
If the club is like the ones where I live, you have to be a member to drive into them.... In fact, I can't even go for a walk up the main road to the club house - it's run by the county, but have to be member to enter it.

 

[Fairy1]

Fairy, you state that SK was arriving in the LV area on Sunday morning. I thought that the only information we had was that he left his apartment at about 10:30pm on Sat. eve. Am I missing something?

You're not missing anything. It's an assumption on my part due to the location of the cell phone ping from his call with GW at 7:52 AM. It's on the far north side of the valley, where you would enter the city coming from Utah. It's pretty much as far opposite of where the car was found as you could get. There were many hours between that ping and the last ping the previous night that are a big question mark. I also don't put much stock in the neighbor's sighting of him the night before. He says he saw Steven leave at 10:30 PM. Just because he didn't see Steven return doesn't mean he didn't.

Also, my understanding of the phone calls is that there were a few people who called SK after the car was parked but only two of them were considered to be "out of the ordinary" at all and only because those two people made many calls in the 3 or 4 days, one 9 times: the landlord and the boss.

I think you know this better than I, though. Could you clarify? Thanks.

I think the number of calls from the landlord was excessive. His wife stated that he and Steven were working on a plan to get caught up with the rent. That indicates to me the issue was being resolved. So why keep calling?

 

[Fairy1]

That is strange - don't know what to make of it.

Something I've wondered about and want to ask you -

Could Steven have parked his car where he did because he wanted to sneak into the golf course that's close by? Meet someone at the gold course club house? Try to even catty?
If the club is like the ones where I live, you have to be a member to drive into them.... In fact, I can't even go for a walk up the main road to the club house - it's run by the county, but have to be member to enter it.

It's possible, but it would have been very difficult. He would have had to climb over someone's fence and then down some very rough and rocky terrain to get to the course. I'm not sure where the clubhouse is in relation to where Steven would have entered, but if he was meeting someone there, it seems to me it would have been a member/resident. If that was the case, he wouldn't have needed to sneak onto the course.

 

[nola]

Great discussion! I've just recently started reading the threads about Steven. Forgive me if this has already been explored. Is it possible that Steven parked his car in that area because he was canvassing the neighborhood with flyers, or taking a survey, or conducting a church mission project? That might then give reason to parking in one area and walking several blocks away to start the distribution of (whatever he was carrying) material housed in the folder. Maybe this wasn't the window washing flyer, but something different. An interview somehow doesn't seem right since he didn't park close to his destination. There would be no reason not to park as close as possible to the correct address. So what could have happened next. Could he have frightened a resident or
maybe offended a non religion person? Something ugly got out of hand and then the evidence was hidden?
I'm not sure. But know that the ideas that are offered here may contribute to finding Steven one day.
Bless you all for taking the time to put so much of your time and energy into this case.

 

[OldSteve]

Great discussion! I've just recently started reading the threads about Steven. Forgive me if this has already been explored. Is it possible that Steven parked his car in that area because he was canvassing the neighborhood with flyers, or taking a survey, or conducting a church mission project? That might then give reason to parking in one area and walking several blocks away to start the distribution of (whatever he was carrying) material housed in the folder. Maybe this wasn't the window washing flyer, but something different. An interview somehow doesn't seem right since he didn't park close to his destination. There would be no reason not to park as close as possible to the correct address. So what could have happened next. Could he have frightened a resident or
maybe offended a non religion person? Something ugly got out of hand and then the evidence was hidden?
I'm not sure. But know that the ideas that are offered here may contribute to finding Steven one day.
Bless you all for taking the time to put so much of your time and energy into this case.

Hi Nola and welcome :welcome: to this thread (though with my limited knowledge I feel a bit funny to be welcoming you) -
One reason he many not have parked close to the house he was going to might be to make it a bit difficult for the person inside the house to get his car's license plate #.

I've actually had that experience with some people I've had dealing with - they would not park in front of my house for that very reason. (Nothing illegal taking place - just people who are very private people.)

 

[believe09]

Welcome to all of the new folks being drawn here-there was no indication that flyers were actually handed out and that SK actually spoke with anyone in the neighborhood, IIRC. No one seems to have noticed him, which in and of itself is striking to me.

 

[Tracie5]

One reason he many not have parked close to the house he was going to might be to make it a bit difficult for the person inside the house to get his car's license plate #.

Thinking about this and a thought that had occurred to me - what if Steven was actually doing a job by being in that community? What job might anger someone he was going to see and require him to park where his car would not be seen by the home occupant? Eviction notice server? As far as I can tell, anyone can serve an eviction notice. It would be a job that was perhaps dangerous in certain instances but was not illegal, yet also a job that Steven might not have been particularly proud to be performing.

 

[MLE]

He could've just pulled into the first available place he saw instead of driving around to find that one closest parking spot. Also, since he was a visitor he could've been yielding the closer parking spots to the actual residents out of politeness. Plus, in multifamily residential areas, there usually seems to be losers who get angry when someone parks in "their" spot. He may have experienced this a few times in the past and just parked further out to avoid such an unnecessary confrontation with potential morons. lol.

 

[Fairy1]

Thinking about this and a thought that had occurred to me - what if Steven was actually doing a job by being in that community? What job might anger someone he was going to see and require him to park where his car would not be seen by the home occupant? Eviction notice server? As far as I can tell, anyone can serve an eviction notice. It would be a job that was perhaps dangerous in certain instances but was not illegal, yet also a job that Steven might not have been particularly proud to be performing.

Welcome Tracie5.

If I'm not mistaken, notices of eviction in Clark County are served by the office of the Constable. But I do think it's possible he was there to carry out a job he didn't necessarily want to do.

 

[Tracie5]

Welcome Tracie5.

If I'm not mistaken, notices of eviction in Clark County are served by the office of the Constable. But I do think it's possible he was there to carry out a job he didn't necessarily want to do.

Thanks for the welcome Fairy1. From what I am reading on the link below, we are both probably right. An original notice of eviction is a form obtained, filled out and served by the landlord. After 5 days, if the tenant has not paid the rent, corrected the breach or paid the rent, the landlord files with the courts for eviction. At this point, I can't tell who serves the tenant, but at some point after the eviction is filed in the courts, the Constable does become involved. My thoughts were that a landlord might have hired Steven to serve the first notice of eviction.

http://www.ehow.com/how_7409414_evict-someone-henderson_-nevada.html

 

[nola]

Thank you for the welcome!

So no one noticed Steven in the neighborhood at all? That really does seem odd. It's mid-day, right? This is a community of older, retired people. By nature, most homeowners would be curious about a stranger walking by their homes. I'm baffled by this. It makes me think that he wasn't there long. Whatever happened, happened quick for no one to have noticed. No other surveillance cameras captured his image.

Now, I'm wondering if it really was Steven walking away from his car.

 

[Weygand]

Yeah, I don't like how the show usually morphs (no pun intended) into discussions on the paranormal. But occasionally, the show stays on topic. I've listened to a couple of interviews of Catherine Austin Fitts and the interviews actually stayed focused on macroeconomics.

I'll be making raspberry jam all night and this is the only thing I can get on my antenna radio in the middle of the night here in the rural mountains. I was pleasantly surprised when I saw the tonight's topic, since it's something I'm interested in hearing.

The shows sometimes end up on YouTube.

I agree that at somepoint, someone will present a theory of :ufo: :abduction:

So.......the raspberry jam.....tasty?

 

[Weygand]

I agree that at somepoint, someone will present a theory of :ufo: :abduction:

Great use of the emoticons. I figured there would be the obligatory "I am an agent with the interplanetary commission and ordered the kidnapping of random people whom we intend to breed with space vegetables........"

Although in SK's situation it would almost make sense because I don't see him having been lured to SCA into some malevolent trap, nor him catching someone sawing a body up with their garage door open or burying a body under some flowers ala Raymond Burr in Rear Window. You know...stuff we all occasionally see our neighbors doing....

So he then thumbed a ride to go do himself or was walking away and thumbed a ride from a murderer or aliens took him or he walked away altogether...

 

[fridaybaker]

Aliens..... I am sure of it.

 

[Kate12846]

If Steven is alive and in his right mind- neither of which are known- I think he would know his family is looking for him. If I had disappeared on purpose I'm sure I wouldn't be able to resist googleing my own name and seeing the articles, websites, etc. So if the first two conditions exist, I would think he knows his father has passed away. Computers are not hard to find even without a library card or your own computer, if you want to find one and use one all you need is a few bucks, or a friend.

I just watched his story on TV this evening and something in me decided to write to someone regarding my thoughts; there are several of them...
It is too bad that time has passed and some information will not be able to be obtained.

Steven was certain of where he was going so he must have had instructions for parking as he didn't park in front of the home he was visiting. Why? Where there other cars there that evening? It also didn't appear as if he crossed the street when he turned left and went out of site. Were there any known offenders on that street or any arrests of people living there either before or after Steven disappeared? The streets are not very long....my step-son lives in Henderson and there aren't many homes on each street that dead ends.

My thought is that Steven was so innocent and looked so clean that he may have been invited to a gay gathering in one of the homes or that he was invited to a home to be abused by gay bashers even though he wasn't gay. The perception of a clean cut kid today is that he is gay. He didn't have any money so that's out. He was called to a home on the pretext of work and either his life ended there or someone in one of the homes put him in a car and pulled out into the main street. If a homeowner lives near the beginning of the street they would probably not use the culdesak to turn around. Perhaps they directed him to park away from their home so his car, evidence would not be seen readily. There is plenty of room to park on the street or in the driveway of those homes. I would search for sex offenders even though he is an adult male. Second thought: Did they use blood hounds with articles of his clothing to track him through that neighborhood? There are also cadaver dogs as well that could probably still be of help. Those dogs are amazing.

I think this can be solved...once in awhile I have some strong feelings about things and this one called me to the computer tonight. The neighbor who spoke to the police and mentioned strange behavior of another neighbor needs to share more about her suspicions and why. This just makes me sick. I did notice out there that people stay to themselves in the neighborhoods. They may know the neighbor next door or across the street, but it is so darn hot, I guess they pretty much stay to themselves in their homes. The neighbor who "no one" knows would be a good start.

If you can please extend my sympathies to Steven's mother and family. I know a little of what she may be going through. I've been a widow twice and besides others in my family I lost my precious grandbaby from Cancer. Is there a blog or a site that you can send support messages to her? I'm not so great with computers. Thank you for listening....I hope I did this right. Kate

 

[SassyBenton]

Thinking about this and a thought that had occurred to me - what if Steven was actually doing a job by being in that community? What job might anger someone he was going to see and require him to park where his car would not be seen by the home occupant? Eviction notice server? As far as I can tell, anyone can serve an eviction notice. It would be a job that was perhaps dangerous in certain instances but was not illegal, yet also a job that Steven might not have been particularly proud to be performing.

I was thinking along the same lines, maybe he was working as a process server? This may fit for a few reasons:

Steven was clean cut and educated, usually what people look for in a Process Server.

People are usually trying to avoid being served court papers. The best way to catch them? Show up at their house on the weekend.

If you were trying to unexpectedly catch someone at their home, you wouldn’t just pull up in their driveway. You would park down the street or around the block and approach the home by foot. Also, if you are serving someone with court papers, you may not want them to see what kind of car you drive, for safetly purposes.

People are usually not very pleased when being served court papers, Process Serving can be on the dangerous side if you encounter the wrong person.

A couple of problems with this theory though:

There is no record of Steven being involved in this type of work, no phone numbers on his cell or info on his computer linking him to this. Wouldn’t he at least have a contact on his phone?

If Steven was sent to SCA to serve someone with papers and something bad happened during the meeting, wouldn’t the person who sent Steven to do this wonder what happened to him? Surely they would expect to hear back from him after the papers were served. Wouldn’t the person be alarmed when Steven just disappears during a job and eventually notify the authorities?

Just my opinion, but I still think someone who lives in SCA is responsible for Steven’s disappearance, I don’t think it was just a random location to leave his car.

 

[believe09]

Welcome Kate and I am sorry for your multiple losses. If I recall correctly, we pow wowed a few times about SK being gay or perceived as being gay. I believe there might have been a short discussion of trafficking, but I dont know if he might have been singled out and taken away.

I agree with those who are curious why he was never apparently spotted in an over 55 community in the middle of the day. If it werent for the surveillance cameras, there would be even less to go on. I think it is SK in the video, but I respect others who disagree. I also think he is a walkaway but I respect those who believe he met with foul play. No one knows. It is a frustrating and incredibly sad case.

 

[fridaybaker]

Kate, I'm so sorry to hear of your losses. Welcome, also, to the excrutiatingly frustrating Steven Koecher forum. It's a little like "vanishing into thin air". Here one day; gone the next with precious few leads. About the neighbor that you mention recalling strange behavior of another neighbor: Can you remember where you heard that? I might be a little behind here but I don't remember that.

Believe: You think that he "disappeared himself"? You seem like you're pretty knowledgable here. Can you offer some thoughts on how likely it is to do that w/o leaving any "trail" behind and being able to stay off the radar for years? That's something I've really wondered about, because I do think that there are some things that indicate that he might be a likely candidate for such a thing and I also know that there was another poster here -maybe several- who were pretty sure right off the bat of that situation. Thoughts?
Thanks!