NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - # 3

[believe09]

Welcome SWjaxon!!! Do you mind clicking on my email link and sending me a message with your contact info? At WS we try to verify the players, even ones on the periphery, to cut down on the folks who might be misleading our big hearted and able sleuthers....


I received some excellent info from a WSer who has been lurking on the case-you all may have uncovered it already but here is the bulk of what was sent:

Haven't read through all the threads so don't know if this has been discussed and tossed out as useless but doesn't it seem strange that the house his car was parked near was into foreclosure. The SUV that is seen in the video was driven by a RE agent. And a home at 2252 Marion Center Court, Henderson NV was REO and sold for $219,900 on Dec 18, 2009 having previously sold for $346,448 on Sep 10, 2009....Marion CC being off of Evening Lights Ave....and on the side of ELA that Steven crossed over to. Any one know the RE agent's name that the family tracked down? And did the police talk to the agent? Just seems a mite coincidental. If he was heading out of the area it would make more sense that he stay on the side on Evening Lights he was on rather then cross over as there is an unobstructed view of the pathway to the golf course.

 

[believe09]

I hate that I didn't see this sooner -- I was offline for the last half of yesterday. Do we still need a new poster? I'm more than happy to help out.

Pretty Please with sugar....

 

[believe09]

I requested our resource thread be made a sticky so it does not get lost in the forum...look for it at the top of the sub forum in the sticky area....

 

[ella's mom]

Does it really matter if the account was literally $0, $50, or $135.97? Steven was obviously flat broke and was in no position to fly anywhere. He may have zeroed out the account and spent cash here or there but being 3 months behind on rent, there was not alot of money floating around here.

I think it matters. His mother said she put money in an account for him. If my child was missing I'd want to make sure there was money in there if he needed it (in fact, I would probably put more in there), hoping one day he'll stop at an atm or bank to get some. At least I would know he or someone used the account.

 

[ms_writer]

Pretty Please with sugar....

I'm on it!

 

[hollyblue]

Just a few things I am wondering or questioning:

It was stated that there is a picture of GW & Steven at a dinner on the 9th. Was the dinner in the evening and how did Steven get home from Ruby Valley in time if he had lunch with them and visited awhile? Driving time at the best would have been 8 hrs right? Why no activity of gas purchases or others on that date?

Where did his boss "see" him on the 8th?

I think it was a good idea to tell KC to check out if the passport was used. I don't know if the parents would be able to request it be revoked even under the circumstances. If Steven is still out there and needed to use his passport (in case he wanted to come home?) if it was revoked, I think he would be somewhat upset. I don't know how difficult it would be to check the flights enroute to Brazil from LV or Sacramento. He could have had someone else purchase the tickets. I don't know how they track the info on ticket purchases, especially after 911.

I think he may have been upset over the landlord telling Z that he was the one who called about the missing items in the house and calling his parents (rightfully so Stilllooking). Did Z leave his key or did he still have access to the house after he bailed. He could have made a duplicate also or given the key to someone else. Not that I would be accusing Z of anything, but that area in Illinois is famous for drugs--pot and meth--Big Time. Meth users can be quite psychotic and violent when "spiked up" on methamphetamines.
Not to be nosy or judgemental Stilllooking, but I have rented many an apt or house and have never had the landlord call me as frequently as you apparently talked to Steven prior to him not answering the phone. Was there a problem or concern that you may have had?

On the same note--it has been said that the family was protective of Steven. Is it possible his father may have contacted Webb and ask him and the others to keep an eye on Steven. Especially after the rent talk? Could this possibly be the reason for the "confusion" of the phone calls that day and no one pressing or questioning the facts further on that subject? If the bank a/c was 0, then either Steven spent the money t/f to his a/c by mom or they ask the a/c be put on hold or closed?

I don't know the climate of Brazil or if Steven would even need a coat there---is it possible he was going to donate them? There are always coat drives all around different business in the winter time.

Do you really need your BC to get a NV driver's license if your are just transferring from Utah? I could understand if was a new license. Wow. I know they require other forms of ID in other states, but not specifically a BC. Anyone familiar with CA DMV requirements?

JMO

 

[liz b.]

Hi SWJaxon,
Not so much that he was lured to a suburb to sightsee ; but, he went there for a reason. I was speculating that he could have been lured there by someone on the pretext of looking at a room for rent.
If Steven really did meet someone in the Anthem area, it is strange that no one has ever come forward and said that he had say, a job interview, or was looking to rent room in their home. It is telling.
The bank account information does not make any sense. Naegle stated that Steven's mom put money into his account,but it was untouched. Now Naegle says that the account has a 0 balance ? Supposedly, there was no activity on his accounts. I wonder if he could have emptied that account so that he could rent a room in Vegas ?
It would be so helpul to know what he did and where he went when he got to Vegas very late on Saturday night ... Any thoughts on that ?

 

[hollyblue]

Welcome SWjaxon!!! Do you mind clicking on my email link and sending me a message with your contact info? At WS we try to verify the players, even ones on the periphery, to cut down on the folks who might be misleading our big hearted and able sleuthers....


I received some excellent info from a WSer who has been lurking on the case-you all may have uncovered it already but here is the bulk of what was sent:

Haven't read through all the threads so don't know if this has been discussed and tossed out as useless but doesn't it seem strange that the house his car was parked near was into foreclosure. The SUV that is seen in the video was driven by a RE agent. And a home at 2252 Marion Center Court, Henderson NV was REO and sold for $219,900 on Dec 18, 2009 having previously sold for $346,448 on Sep 10, 2009....Marion CC being off of Evening Lights Ave....and on the side of ELA that Steven crossed over to. Any one know the RE agent's name that the family tracked down? And did the police talk to the agent? Just seems a mite coincidental. If he was heading out of the area it would make more sense that he stay on the side on Evening Lights he was on rather then cross over as there is an unobstructed view of the pathway to the golf course.

I don't get the connection---could someone expand on this theory? Are the sure they have the dates right? A house was purchased in September and they had a foreclosure sale and resale 3 mos later in December. Wow...that is a record I would think.

 

[liz b.]

HollyBlue,
Yes, I checked with the Nevada DMV ; it does not matter if a person has a current Driver's License from another state, everyone is required to show a BC and /or Passport to obtain a Nevada DL. But, to obtain a Nevada DL he would definately need a Nevada address. If he had rented a room,he could have the person he rented from write a letter stating that he was a tenant. Then, all Steven would have needed to do is get the letter notarized and take it to the DMV.
I believe that there were some thoughts that his passport might have expired -- he last used it when he went on his mission. Passports are good only for 10 years ?

 

[coklat]

We seem to be assuming that Steven wasn't paying his rent because he had no money -- but what if he had been planning on leaving town and opted to save his income (in a shoebox under his bed or something) rather than using it to pay rent?

 

[laytonian]

HollyBlue,
Yes, I checked with the Nevada DMV ; it does not matter if a person has a current Driver's License from another state, everyone is required to show a BC and /or Passport to obtain a Nevada DL. But, to obtain a Nevada DL he would definately need a Nevada address. If he had rented a room,he could have the person he rented from write a letter stating that he was a tenant. Then, all Steven would have needed to do is get the letter notarized and take it to the DMV.
I believe that there were some thoughts that his passport might have expired -- he last used it when he went on his mission. Passports are good only for 10 years ?

The passport was current.

I posted the Q&As last night, and the passport questions were answered there.
http://sites.google.com/site/parall...research, at the bottom of the timeline page.

 

[believe09]

I don't get the connection---could someone expand on this theory? Are the sure they have the dates right? A house was purchased in September and they had a foreclosure sale and resale 3 mos later in December. Wow...that is a record I would think.

Here are some links:
http://activerain.com/blogsview/1418519/sun-city-anthem-december-2009-real-estate-report This shows 2252 Marion Center Court as a bank owned property at the time of it's sale in December.

This link shows the home as it was listed in September 2009, showing the last sale date as 8/2006 as far as I can read.
http://www.homepath.com/listingdetails.html?st=NV&cno=000&pg=10&listingid=18281838

Here is a link to the assessors webpage with a history of ownership:
http://sandgate.co.clark.nv.us/AssrRealProp/ParcelHistory.aspx?instance=pcl2&parcel=19113714020
http://sandgate.co.clark.nv.us/AssrRealProp/ParcelHistory.aspx?instance=pcl2&parcel=19113714020

Can anyone interpret this?

 

[laytonian]

Just a few things I am wondering or questioning:

It was stated that there is a picture of GW & Steven at a dinner on the 9th. Was the dinner in the evening and how did Steven get home from Ruby Valley in time if he had lunch with them and visited awhile? Driving time at the best would have been 8 hrs right? Why no activity of gas purchases or others on that date?

Where did his boss "see" him on the 8th?

I think it was a good idea to tell KC to check out if the passport was used. I don't know if the parents would be able to request it be revoked even under the circumstances. If Steven is still out there and needed to use his passport (in case he wanted to come home?) if it was revoked, I think he would be somewhat upset. I don't know how difficult it would be to check the flights enroute to Brazil from LV or Sacramento. He could have had someone else purchase the tickets. I don't know how they track the info on ticket purchases, especially after 911.

Now, this is getting TRULY disturbing. Is someone purposely putting out false information, to confuse the issue? If so, that person is suspect.

The only dinner we were previously aware of (and there are lots of pictures of it), is of the ward's Christmas dinner on Sunday, Dec 7th.

So you're saying there was another dinner on Dec 9th that Steven attended, and there's proof of that, via pictures?

Rather than "it's been said", how about revealing the source of your information? That information turns this entire case on its head, if it's true.

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I've added the "where did Steven's boss see him" question to the Q&A.
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The passport: In this case, reporting it lost/stolen is the appropriate action, when the holder has disappeared. Of course the user would be "upset" if they couldn't use it. That's the idea. They'd be detained, and if it were Steven, he'd be located.

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

Does it really matter if the account was literally $0, $50, or $135.97? Steven was obviously flat broke and was in no position to fly anywhere. He may have zeroed out the account and spent cash here or there but being 3 months behind on rent, there was not alot of money floating around here.

Webrocket-

I was just stating that information was different that we had previously received. Originally it was said that his mom transferred money and he had not spent it, but that would not match with a zero balance.

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

Now, this is getting TRULY disturbing. Is someone purposely putting out false information, to confuse the issue? If so, that person is suspect.

The only dinner we were previously aware of (and there are lots of pictures of it), is of the ward's Christmas dinner on Sunday, Dec 7th.

So you're saying there was another dinner on Dec 9th that Steven attended, and there's proof of that, via pictures?

Rather than "it's been said", how about revealing the source of your information? That information turns this entire case on its head, if it's true.

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I've added the "where did Steven's boss see him" question to the Q&A.
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The passport: In this case, reporting it lost/stolen is the appropriate action, when the holder has disappeared. Of course the user would be "upset" if they couldn't use it. That's the idea. They'd be detained, and if it were Steven, he'd be located.

It was on the 7th. Sorry, totally my fault.

 

[laytonian]

Here are some links:
http://activerain.com/blogsview/1418519/sun-city-anthem-december-2009-real-estate-report This shows 2252 Marion Center Court as a bank owned property at the time of it's sale in December.

This link shows the home as it was listed in September 2009, showing the last sale date as 8/2006 as far as I can read.
http://www.homepath.com/listingdetails.html?st=NV&cno=000&pg=10&listingid=18281838

Here is a link to the assessors webpage with a history of ownership:
http://sandgate.co.clark.nv.us/AssrRealProp/ParcelHistory.aspx?instance=pcl2&parcel=19113714020
http://sandgate.co.clark.nv.us/AssrRealProp/ParcelHistory.aspx?instance=pcl2&parcel=19113714020

Can anyone interpret this?

The lot was vacant until the home was contracted in 2005.
The home was completed and sold to Greenstein/Robertson for $434,867 on June 6, 2006.*
It was owned by Greenstein (and then passed into the trust .
Greene took ownership.
The bank took it over in September, and sold it off in December.

Unless someone has information *connecting* that transaction to this case (rather than something that's happening all over Vegas), I'm not sure what we're supposed to learn from it.

 

[believe09]

Thanks laytonian.

 

[4BB]

Hollyblue ~ Steven was 3 months behind on rent. I beleive thats why stillooking may have called a few times.

So the bank account being at $0 is a red flag in my book. Was there a recent withdrawal that raised suspicion? It doesnt have to be a huge amount because steven may have been stashing some elsewhere. Mom put money in the account. He spent a decent amount on gas, a tiny bit on food, and a tiny bit on some ornaments, yet the balance is $0.
It was stated earlier that the 3 months rent was equilavent to around $1000.00.
Maybe he was stashing it and was planning on leaving but was angered when the parents found out. Therefore he had to speed up his plans to leave and didnt tie up a few loose ends

My theory (as of this minute) ~ Steven walked away and GW knows about it but doesnt want to rat out his friend. Either for fear of getting in trouble with the authorities or loyalty to Steven. Hes not worried because he knows Steven is ok. Maybe Steven traded his passport for someone elses?? Big "what if" there but that could mean Steven has still left the country but no one will know.
The flyers in the window could have been done in the mindset "I'll be out of here soon and none of this will mean anything to me anymore" Whoever he may have been meeting with could have had a carry on bag for him. (GW?)
Im sure my theory will change a dozen times, but this is JMHO for now.

Another good piece of info may be Stevens income/expenditure ratio. Did his boss pay him in cash? How much was it possible for him to have and how much did he actually spend?

ETA~ you guys will probably notice all of my posts will be edited because I am typing fast with a 21 month old baby "helping". My typos are atrocious.
Also I have never had a passport so I have no idea what the procedure is for departing the United States so my theory here may be way off.

 

[liz b.]

Laytonian,
I read that you lean towards thinking that Steven parked in the Anthem community at random, and that he went from there up into the mountains. Why do you think he took his vital documents from the room in St.George ? Also, if the BC and Passport was not in his rented room in St.George, and not found in his car, could that be what he was holding when we see him in the security video ?

 

[Malini2001]

The lot was vacant until the home was contracted in 2005.
The home was completed and sold to Greenstein/Robertson for $434,867 on June 6, 2006.*
It was owned by Greenstein (and then passed into the trust .
Greene took ownership.
The bank took it over in September, and sold it off in December.

Unless someone has information *connecting* that transaction to this case (rather than something that's happening all over Vegas), I'm not sure what we're supposed to learn from it.

One possibility could be that Steve was washing windows or cleaning up houses for a real estate agent before the new owners moved in.