NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - # 3

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  • #421
This would be a natural place for a poster or for some family outreach-I think it is worth contacting Naegle by phone to mention these two areas Laytonian unless you have already done so.

GMTA. It's been done.
I gave her the address of the IHOP near Craig & MLK, as well as that DI's address.

She said they'd already "been around" the DI that's by the Boulder Hwy DI.

What I didn't mention previously:
These two Deseret Industries stores are 14 miles apart.
It's just odd our only two "known" sights are near each of them.
And (maybe) that there's an IHOP near each.
 
  • #422
GMTA. It's been done.
I gave her the address of the IHOP near Craig & MLK, as well as that DI's address.

She said they'd already "been around" the DI that's by the Boulder Hwy DI.

What I didn't mention previously:
These two Deseret Industries stores are 14 miles apart.
It's just odd our only two "known" sights are near each of them.
And (maybe) that there's an IHOP near each.

I'm going to try to get to both of these DI's today with Steven's poster.

If it isn't already - would you mind putting a link to Steven's poster on the timeline? It would be so much easier to find! :blowkiss:
 
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I would love to check those places out but I got family in town this weekend until Monday that I haven't seen in some time. MLK and Craig, huh? Let me see where I put that bulletproof vest. . .

As for the cameras, I think we will just have to agree to disagree on that one. It's funny how two people can look at the same thing and see totally different things. I agree that the lens distorts the image but the car seemingly comes to about a dead stop. . .decreasing speed (whether by true speed or optical illusion) by about 2/3's. But there is no way Steven is moving 2/3ths slower rounding that corner compared to when we first see him come into frame from the right. Granted, his pace could have changed but I checked it with a metronome (yes, I play the piano) and his pace is a consistent 100 paces a minute in cam 3, even on the other side of that bush. And it picks up to about 104 steps a minute in cam 7. So, his speed is pretty consistent. I know you can't use that to gauge true distance because the distant is distorted due to the lens but his pace is his pace no matter what kind of lens you use. In the end, though, if his car did slow down. . .let's say 25 percent. . .we still don't know why. . .whether he was reading a street sign or he was slowing down for the water drainage gulley in the road. By the way, the gulley is on the WSW side of the intersection so he would have gone through the intersection before going over it.

But, getting back to his walking. . .and I know this is out there. . .Steven is about my height. SO, I measured my steps. From heel to heel, toe to toe. . .whichever. . .it is about 2 1/2ft. per step. That's 4.1ft. per second given a pace of 100 steps per minute. Using my trusty cellphone calculator, that comes out to 2. 8mph. That is definitely below the average walking speed for an average "young" person. Average is like 3.3 for "younger" people as defined by wikipedia.

I know those are rough numbers but I am probably within 5 percent of accurate either way. You can definitely tell the demeanor of a person by the way he walks. I have said from the outset, way back in part #1 of this thread, that Steven's walk. . .head forward, a marching pace (it's creepy synching his footsteps with the metronome because his pace is right on, each step at the same pace. . .no variation), fumbling with something in his hands, and now we know at a speed slower than average. . .points toward being nervous about what he is doing there. He is not admiring anything. I have stated before I take a walk every day in my neighborhood and I am always looking around. My pace is pretty solid too but that is because I am exercising. I don't fumble with anything, even if I am texting I am pretty smooth. But he is fumbling with whatever.

To me, his walk tells me he is doing something that he shouldn't be or wherever he is going has him nervous. It is not the walk of a guy going to meet friends. It is not the walk of a guy going to meet some girl. In that case, he might be nervous but he sure as heck would not be walking slow. It may be the walk of someone going for an interview. Some important meeting. Something like that. But I would not say his walk is one that says "fun" is in his near future.

Laytonian, I have a lot of time on my hands after family leaves. So, if there are a few things that need checked out, I don't mind. I just don't want to be in a position where I think I am chasing ghosts. It's all good.
 
  • #425
Wow, fasteddy, good work with all the calculations! To springboard off what you are getting at, if I am going somewhere that at 12:00 noon and I get there at 11:55, I don't consider that early. Especially if I still have to walk down the street to get where I'm going. The fact that he sat and waited in his car seems like he is anxious and postponing getting out of the car as long as possible.

Or he could be doing something purposeful in his car, but we are not privy to that video.
 
  • #426
I would love to check those places out but I got family in town this weekend until Monday that I haven't seen in some time. MLK and Craig, huh? Let me see where I put that bulletproof vest. .

(snip excellent calculations)

Laytonian, I have a lot of time on my hands after family leaves. So, if there are a few things that need checked out, I don't mind. I just don't want to be in a position where I think I am chasing ghosts. It's all good.

You mean you have a life today? ;)

I gave the info to the family, and Fairy1's curious, too.

I appreciate banging heads :banghead: a bit; that's how we shake things out.
 
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Wow, fasteddy, good work with all the calculations! To springboard off what you are getting at, if I am going somewhere that at 12:00 noon and I get there at 11:55, I don't consider that early. Especially if I still have to walk down the street to get where I'm going. The fact that he sat and waited in his car seems like he is anxious and postponing getting out of the car as long as possible.

Or he could be doing something purposeful in his car, but we are not privy to that video.

OMG :waitasec:

You're correct! We've been thinking that he had a noon appointment and waited in the car so he could be there on time.

No! He didn't start walking UNTIL it was noon.

That would have made him tardy for any 12:00pm appointment NOT in one of the closest homes.
 
  • #429
OMG :waitasec:

You're correct! We've been thinking that he had a noon appointment and waited in the car so he could be there on time.

No! He didn't start walking UNTIL it was noon.

That would have made him tardy for any 12:00pm appointment NOT in one of the closest homes.

That's a good point. But can we be positive the time on the video was exactly right? Maybe it's off by a couple of minutes?
 
  • #430
That's a good point. But can we be positive the time on the video was exactly right? Maybe it's off by a couple of minutes?

Yeah, Fairy that's a good point. Another thing we should check with Mr. Security if possible.
 
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Wow, fasteddy, good work with all the calculations! To springboard off what you are getting at, if I am going somewhere that at 12:00 noon and I get there at 11:55, I don't consider that early. Especially if I still have to walk down the street to get where I'm going. The fact that he sat and waited in his car seems like he is anxious and postponing getting out of the car as long as possible.

Or he could be doing something purposeful in his car, but we are not privy to that video.

I agree. In many of the previous posts on this thread it seems like everyone was saying that Steven was walking 'with purpose' and confidence, but I never saw that. After viewing the video several times, I thought he looked kind of ashamed, hesitant, reluctant, head down, like he was a bit indecisive. What this means, I don't know. Either he was leaving his life and car behind and wasn't quite sure that's what he wanted, or more likely he was walking to an appt in the immediate area which he was nervous or unsure about. I'm still not ready to dismiss the area around Evening Lights as being important...I still think there are answers to be found there.
 
  • #432
I'm off to MLK/Craig. Got my son AND daughter to go with me. Frankly, I pity the fool who tries to mess with my DD! Still, if ya'll don't hear from me later, you know where to look!

I can get my grocery shopping done on this little trip - but if you can find someone to finish my laundry, that'd be awesome! :crazy:
 
  • #433
That's a good point. But can we be positive the time on the video was exactly right? Maybe it's off by a couple of minutes?

If this is as good a security system as it seems (and one with at least seven cameras should be!), its time is automatically synched with the computer - which is synched from GMT. If it's an older system, and the computer clock isn't synched/is wrong, who knows?

The difference may lie in what Steven is using to gauge the time. If he's using a watch, it could be off. If he's using the time on his cellphone, that's auto-synched from (likely) the same source as the security camera..

If they're both synched as they should be, there shouldn't be more than a second or two difference.

Then again -- ever wonder why the time on that big sign at the bank is wrong? Because the bank manager's watch is always right ;)
 
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That's a good point. But can we be positive the time on the video was exactly right? Maybe it's off by a couple of minutes?

We have security cameras like that in our house...b/c someone broke into my husbands Hummer that won't fit in the garage. Anyway, they have to be connected to a laptop at all times, and program that all the systems we looked at, update the time automatically. The only thing I noticed was that we forgot to put in Arizona, and when the time changed ours was off an hour. Hopefully, his system accounted for the time change correctly, but NV does not have the problem we have in AZ.
 
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XXXXX, TRENTON (St. George)********

????? There's a clue there, I guess, because "Trav" is the window guy.

The Discount Audio website says "Travis & Norm H"...and has the same phone number listed at the bottom of the home page as is listed for the window washing business.

Just remember alot of poeple Incorporate or form LLC's in NV b/c its easier...just like in Delaware.
 
  • #436
Regarding the cameras-I have had several sleuthers approach me offline as to whether or not the video is edited.

I don't think it was edited, but I am curious to know why they won't release the other cameras. I am pretty sure they should have one of his car. Hence his mother stating that he seemed to be waiting in the car...I got the impression she saw this happen. ????
 
  • #437
I don't think it was edited, but I am curious to know why they won't release the other cameras. I am pretty sure they should have one of his car. Hence his mother stating that he seemed to be waiting in the car...I got the impression she saw this happen. ????

I think that was the conclusion of many based on the approximately 5 min gap between when the car pulled up and Steven walked by.
 
  • #438
Just remember alot of poeple Incorporate or form LLC's in NV b/c its easier...just like in Delaware.

1. No corporate income tax.
2. No personal property tax.
 
  • #439
I don't think it was edited, but I am curious to know why they won't release the other cameras. I am pretty sure they should have one of his car. Hence his mother stating that he seemed to be waiting in the car...I got the impression she saw this happen. ????

Aren't the security cameras on the house at the northwest corner of Savannah Springs and Evening Lights? If we're seeing CAM3 and CAM7 views, there's almost certainly at least five more camera views. Not all will be aimed in that direction, though....but that's a very good point.

But we've asked. We've only gotten "there's stacks....we've been looking through them....". How much would it take to upload 11:55am-12:05pm from each of the seven, onto YouTube? Wouldn't those computer engineers in the family be able to do that?

The "gap" between the car moving and when the figure is seen walking, has been removed. Watch the timer at the top of the screen.

We'd never get an answer if we asked "has anything like this ever happened before....even if for a few short days?"
 
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From the Facebook page:
Post #37
(J S) wrote on January 19, 2010 at 4:30pm
I have mainly been following the threads on www.websleuths.com. Um, they have said that his computer checks out normal.

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I don't think anyone here has said anything close to that, have they?

In fact, hasn't it been the consensus here that the computer needs to be forensically scanned by independent experts?

I'm not going to say anything over there, but why would someone (purposely?) misrepresent what's been said here?
 
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