NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - # 6

[hollyblue]

I don't like thieves neither, but like Laytonian said I wonder why he didn't just say something to the room mate . More or less what I was saying is if you rat out the wrong person (whether it is to do with drugs or not ) you could just find yourself in the gutter.

I know, but just hate to see someone violated. When I was younger we would go out in the country for field parties. We didn't bother anyone and noone bothered us.
Today it seems the kids escalate to violence so quick and don't respect crap.

 

[RubyRed]

I know, but just hate to see someone violated. When I was younger we would go out in the country for field parties. We didn't bother anyone and noone bothered us.
Today it seems the kids escalate to violence so quick and don't respect crap.

I agree, and if we had a disagreement, when i was growing up it was one on one . Now it can be four to one. Sad to say things are not the same.

 

[imaginethat]

not if his family and others are helping him vanish for reasons that ive recently posted

Why go to LE then? Why have a family member post on WS? Why start a FB account? Why sit at IHOP for 4 days? Why pass out fliers when you want him to stay hidden? Why go to the extent that KC has gone through to provide strangers info to get help?

These are just a few questions of so many that could be asked.

None of that makes sense if the family is trying to hide him.

I know what we have been told. I'm just going back and questioning everything. What if........ ? Maybe he was told to leave by a certain date and took the appliances out of spite. He took food. Not someone with a clear view of mature respect that's for sure. JMO


Just to let you all know I love "rallying" with ya's. TY:dance:

I highly doubt the landlord would say one thing and do another. I truly believe she's torn up over SK's disappearance and wants to provide as much information as she can.
She was working with SK on his rent. I see no reason for her not to do the same with the other tenant.
SL said they had no idea he even intended to leave until the appliances went missing.

It takes much more from a landlord than telling a tenant they must leave by x day. They have to go through a legal process to get this done. The tenant left on his own.

 

[RubyRed]

Rubyred,
Here's the thing : Steven had always been given help with jobs. And yes, IMHO, the area in Anthem is very important.
But, what I mean is that we develop theories, check videos, timelines and so on .... then out of nowhere, a new "fact" is introduced. And many of our theories are thus demolished ..... I still say : Strange ....

Yes, I know what you mean . If there were resume's in the car , why not just say from the start. It is not like it is bad to have them in the car . If something like that is kept quiet then if there was anything even bordering on illegal or just anything that they feel would embarrass them, I honestly do not think it would be told . Some families will save face , rather than reveal something that would , in their eyes, humiliate them. If someone is missing and if LE didn't object , then I would share it, some people wouldn't though. moo

 

[laytonian]

Wait. The churchmembers said that they would have a job for Steven around January 1st ? This is new information,isn't it ? So, maybe he wasn't really desperate ? Why would he be suicidal ? Was he really looking for work when he vanished ? This is starting to feel a bit hinky. We keep getting fed these bits of info, and it changes the whole picture. Strange ....

New information revealed by Steven's father in the article:
There were "numerous job applications" in Steven's car.
The Bishop had promised they'd find Steven a job "by the first of the year".

I think the "numerous job applications" is the stunning revelation, and something that I can't understand was kept hidden.

STARTING to feel a bit hinky?

 

[laytonian]

Receipt: K-Mart $9.42 (1 baby girl bib, 4 /Christmas ornaments @ $1 suitable for brother Matthew's family, later found in abandoned car).

When I think about this purchase, I can see him feeling very depressed over all he could afford to buy. Even though it is the thought that counts . When everyone is opening presents , I mean at 30 years old if that is all you can buy, his perception could be that it is embarrassing. It doesn't matter if family says , don't worry about . Maybe he really did not want to go home for Christmas . Landlord calls father, tells him Steven is behind on rent. Father calls Steven, he hangs up . Maybe the humiliation is just too much. The last thing someone 30 wants is parents knowing your business.

Maybe they exchanged "dollar presents" when they drew names? I'm serious. "Dollar presents" are somehow significant to many Utahns, as a way to make sure everyone gets something and no one has to spend much (or show up someone else).

I've been asked several times in my life (by co-workers, neighbors, friends) if I wanted to enter a "dollar present exchange" at Christmas. (I didn't join in, because I dislike regimented gifting.)

What strikes me about the presents? That they were his last known purchase....even though it was more than two weeks until Christmas. It's like it was a message to the kids that he loved them. AND....the total is more than $5 for 5 gifts, so I'm wondering if he also left a Christmas card with a message inside.

 

[laytonian]

Yes, I know what you mean . If there were resume's in the car ,

Not just resumes, but "numerous job applications".

Those three words, to me, infer that there were formal letters of application (perhaps with a resume attached), addressed to specific businesses.

 

[laytonian]

Just to let you all know I love "rallying" with ya's. TY:dance:

Hey, me too.

We can't come up with anything valid, unless we try to pick everything apart.

 

[RubyRed]

Not just resumes, but "numerous job applications".

Those three words, to me, infer that there were formal letters of application (perhaps with a resume attached), addressed to specific businesses.

Okay , thanks for clearing that up . That does leave questions, then . Did the family follow through to see if he actually went to the specific businesses? Was there an application for anyplace in SCA ?

 

[laytonian]

Okay , thanks for clearing that up . That does leave questions, then . Did the family follow through to see if he actually went to the specific businesses? Was there an application for anyplace in SCA ?

Those are the questions.

"Missing" job applications wouldn't leave a trail...UNLESS he composed them on his computer. He could flip 'em to a flash drive and print them almost anywhere...but the traces would be on his computer. (Maybe he composed them on the library computers...which probably means "no trail".)

BUT....if someone had "numerous job applications" and had been out driving, there may be a "future trail" from the stack left in the car.

IF you were hand-delivering the applications, you'd likely have them in sequence by address...meaning that the NEXT application in the stack could have helped determine Steven's route.

 

[RubyRed]

And no one has come forward to say , yea this guy , put an application in our business.
I mean his name would be on it . So either he didn't put any apps out, they haven't put two and two together or they do not know he is missing or they aren't talking.

 

[fasteddy4]

Just checking in.

The job applications thing is a revelation. It would "seem" like Steven came to Vegas to drop off these applications. But where did he get those in the first place? Online? But I have not read anything that says those apps can bet attached to anywhere he went online.

There were some places in the Savannah/Evening area that were home businesses. Could be the reason he was in the area? We may find out eventually that Steven was the victim of a random act. Watched Forensic Files last night. Told the story of a young woman who was an insurance adjuster. She goes to house to check on a leaking roof. The guy renting the house is there. She is looking at the damage. He takes a motorcycle muffler to her head for no reason, killing her. He dumped her in a river.

The guy was eventually caught but when I watched it I thought of Steven. In this woman's case, the guy then drove her car to a parking lot and left it there. Many crimes are ones of opportunity and not planning. Steven could be victim of wrong place, wrong time.

It would be nice if we could figure out how "smart" Steven was. One post has him unwittingly transporting drugs. The next post has him part of a grand conspiracy to disappear with the help of everyone and their mother. Of everything we do or do not know, his intelligence should not be a question. I realize that "street smarts" are something different but I think I could vouch for most of my friends whether they will go for any of these scenarios or not. So, should not some of his friends be able to as well? And where are his friends by the way? Do we always have to go through Naegle when it comes to info about Steven? You guys have been throwing around quotes, I'll throw one out there, "Trust but verify."

I think we also remember that Steven spent a lot of time out on the highways in some of the most remote areas of the US. Who the heck really knows who he ran into on these trips? Lots of weird people in truck stops and convenience stores. Both of my brothers were truck drivers and I rode with one of them several times. What goes on at truck stops at like three in the morning is something right out of the Cantina in Star Wars. This is the atmosphere that Steven lived riding around like he did. Who knows who he met and who knows what somebody might have said about getting a job or meeting somewhere?

 

[imaginethat]

But where did he get those in the first place? Online?

Normally, when you get an application online, the company has it set up to be submitted online. (I say normally because I know some companies still have it on their website as an attachment to be downloaded and brought in.)

I know I'm not revealing anything new with that thought, just thinking aloud in response to your post.

It would be interesting to know if these applications look printed or if they look official (it shouldn't be hard to tell the difference imo). If they're not printed, that would help track back to where he was.

Unless these resumes are somehow tied to the job he was promised to have in the start of the New Year..?

 

[RubyRed]

Just checking in.

The job applications thing is a revelation. It would "seem" like Steven came to Vegas to drop off these applications. But where did he get those in the first place? Online? But I have not read anything that says those apps can bet attached to anywhere he went online.

There were some places in the Savannah/Evening area that were home businesses. Could be the reason he was in the area? We may find out eventually that Steven was the victim of a random act. Watched Forensic Files last night. Told the story of a young woman who was an insurance adjuster. She goes to house to check on a leaking roof. The guy renting the house is there. She is looking at the damage. He takes a motorcycle muffler to her head for no reason, killing her. He dumped her in a river.

The guy was eventually caught but when I watched it I thought of Steven. In this woman's case, the guy then drove her car to a parking lot and left it there. Many crimes are ones of opportunity and not planning. Steven could be victim of wrong place, wrong time.

It would be nice if we could figure out how "smart" Steven was. One post has him unwittingly transporting drugs. The next post has him part of a grand conspiracy to disappear with the help of everyone and their mother. Of everything we do or do not know, his intelligence should not be a question. I realize that "street smarts" are something different but I think I could vouch for most of my friends whether they will go for any of these scenarios or not. So, should not some of his friends be able to as well? And where are his friends by the way? Do we always have to go through Naegle when it comes to info about Steven? You guys have been throwing around quotes, I'll throw one out there, "Trust but verify."

I think we also remember that Steven spent a lot of time out on the highways in some of the most remote areas of the US. Who the heck really knows who he ran into on these trips? Lots of weird people in truck stops and convenience stores. Both of my brothers were truck drivers and I rode with one of them several times. What goes on at truck stops at like three in the morning is something right out of the Cantina in Star Wars. This is the atmosphere that Steven lived riding around like he did. Who knows who he met and who knows what somebody might have said about getting a job or meeting somewhere?

bbm LOL I was an OTR truck driver, I know exactly what you mean.

 

[liz b.]

I don't know about a future or past trail that the job apps would show us, but I'm willing to bet that a job app was what SK was taking to Anthem that Sunday. Great point about the apps showing up if he printed them on his computer ; could give us an addy ?
The job he would get in January is also highly significant ; he would have been okay, in the sense that his job worries would be over. If I remember, it ties into what he told his landlord : that he fully expected to be caught up rentwise in January. IMHO... this guy was not planning on going anyplace. Something seriously untoward happened to him. Does anyone else feel that this case is,well, a bit weird ?

 

[RubyRed]

I don't know about a future or past trail that the job apps would show us, but I'm willing to bet that a job app was what SK was taking to Anthem that Sunday. Great point about the apps showing up if he printed them on his computer ; could give us an addy ?
The job he would get in January is also highly significant ; he would have been okay, in the sense that his job worries would be over. If I remember, it ties into what he told his landlord : that he fully expected to be caught up rentwise in January. IMHO... this guy was not planning on going anyplace. Something seriously untoward happened to him. Does anyone else feel that this case is,well, a bit weird ?

bbm The family had his comp checked, so hopefully they would look into that, maybe we just don't know.

I think something happened at or in connection to one of the houses in SCA.

Yes, it is weird.

 

[laytonian]

I don't know about a future or past trail that the job apps would show us, but I'm willing to bet that a job app was what SK was taking to Anthem that Sunday. Great point about the apps showing up if he printed them on his computer ; could give us an addy ?
The job he would get in January is also highly significant ; he would have been okay, in the sense that his job worries would be over. If I remember, it ties into what he told his landlord : that he fully expected to be caught up rentwise in January. IMHO... this guy was not planning on going anyplace. Something seriously untoward happened to him. Does anyone else feel that this case is,well, a bit weird ?

"[Steven] had talked to DH a few days [before he disappeared] and was making a plan to have his rent caught up in Jan."

That's not "fully expected"...but an indication that Steven was working on "a plan"....AND that conversation happened before:
(a) His boss gave him about $100
(b) His mother put the money in his account.

By Jan, FOUR months' rent would be due. About $1350, if it was about $1000 for three months.

HE may have thought he was coming back to St George, but I'm seeing some deficient reasoning. Why not stay in St George, use the money that grandma and mother gave you, rather than driving all over the place.

The driving may have seemed random, but I don't think it was. He always came back home...except for the last time.

 

[Lato]

I would like to know about the job applications. I do wish Stevens family would share this information.

1. Name and address of each company
2. Cover letter? ... and if they were all the same?
3. Envelopes addressed and included with the application
4. Resume printed and included with each application
5. Addresses local to Las Vegas area?
6. Addresses local to Nevada?
7. Any in Sacramento area?
8. Total number of applications.

Does Steven have a printer?
Does the library have a printer that visitors may use?
Does the singles ward in St. George have a computer room which members may use?

 

[laytonian]

I would like to know about the job applications. I do wish Stevens family would share this information.

1. Name and address of each company
2. Cover letter? ... and if they were all the same?
3. Envelopes addressed and included with the application
4. Resume printed and included with each application
5. Addresses local to Las Vegas area?
6. Addresses local to Nevada?
7. Any in Sacramento area?
8. Total number of applications.

Does Steven have a printer?
Does the library have a printer that visitors may use?
Does the singles ward in St. George have a computer room which members may use?

I'll try.

 

[liz b.]

Laytonian,
Yes,so he did have a plan to get caught up on his rent by January. But,how do you think the driving around ties in to the last time he was seen in Anthem ?
I think the person he was meeting in Anthem told him to park away from their house so that his car wouldn't be sitting outside their house,or in their driveway, for x number of days. He,or they, might have told Steven to park where he did because the "HOA does not like at home businesses to be too visible". He would probably have gone for that.They might have planned to murder him from the beginning. JMO