NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - # 6

[Lato]

Yeah...it's Scenerio #8 under "It's Steven in the video"
http://sites.google.com/site/parallelcooler/home/koecher-html/scenarios

The only CONS are that he left his shaving kit in the car, and clothes in St George.

But a razor is $1, and you can pick up new clothes anywhere. Coats left in car, because target was a warm climate (explains leaving his clothes at home, too).

I dunno. It's the only job I can come up with, if we're trying to explain all the crazy driving and leaving the car where it was.

---and his passport could bring him all the way into Mexico.

 

[laytonian]

---and his passport could bring him all the way into Mexico.

Definitely. Unless it was scanned at the border, he could be anywhere by now.

 

[RubyRed]

Just catching up on all of the recent posts as I've been horribly sick the last couple of days. Thanks to whoever posted the YouTube video (I'm sorry, I can't remember who exactly posted it.) I don't know what is going on with GW's facebook page, but I'd love to see it. Is there any link to an archived screen shot from before he deleted everything/made it private? I still have a feeling GW knows more than he is saying. And like we've all said before...two diligent LDS members from the same ward/friends, both in Vegas on a Sunday instead of at church. There's more to this story, for sure. I wonder if LE has questioned GW extensively. I also wonder how much Steven's family has questioned him.

That being said, how close of friends were Steven and GW? Casual acquaintances? More? It doesn't seem to me like they were THAT close, and that makes me wonder if Steven had any very close friends. Most people have at least one or two people in their life, whether they be friends or family members, who they are very close to, who they are able to confide in. I just wonder if Steven even had someone close like this he could confide in, because apparently he didn't tell anyone (that we know of) why he was doing all of that driving and why he was in Vegas on a Sunday instead of at church. It just seems to me that to miss church, Steven must have had a pretty pressing reason to be in Las Vegas. I don't think his driving around/trip to Vegas was work-related, or at least it wasn't related to the window washing/Xmas decorations, because the price of gas and the time spent would not be worth it to maybe get one or two jobs. IMO there definitely is a huge piece of the puzzle that we're missing...but I have a feeling we're getting closer.

As far as the body being found near Provo, Utah, when I first read that post my heart skipped a beat. Of course now we know it is the body of a female and is not Steven (or SP, for that matter), it made me realize that if Steven is dead and his body is found one day, I'm going to be tremendously sad. At this point I feel like I almost know Steven, and he seems like a very special guy. I've come to care about him in my own way. Still hoping and have a feeling he is very much alive, though. I still don't have a 'deceased' feeling about him.

Despite the fact that his family says all of that driving in the days prior to his disappearance wasn't unusual for Steven, I don't know if I'm buying that. It was actually normal of him to put 1200 miles on his car in a couple of days? And if it was, why? If his family says this is normal for him, what is their explanation regarding WHY he consistently did so much driving? For work? Can't be. It seems to me he'd have better luck sticking around St. George and applying to businesses there than driving aimlessly all over kingdom come. I feel the driving he did, to the locations he traveled to, in the days prior to his disappearance are very much related to his 'final' trip to SCA in Henderson. It feels to me like his final stop at Evening Lights was the culmination of his prior days' travel - almost like he did all that driving for a particular reason, and was going to SCA to pick up his paycheck for the 'work' he did, or something along those lines.

Thank you to all of you for consistently posting and keeping Steven's thread on the first page and for keeping his name out there. I feel this case could easily be 'forgotten' or 'swept under the rug' if it weren't for all of you. And like I've said before, I believe Steven's thread has attracted the most brilliant WS posters. I hope one day Steven can see how special he is, and how there are dozens of strangers working every day to try and find him.

bbm
Greg Webb, a good friend of Koecher's in the LDS church, said he called Koecher the morning he disappeared. His cell phone has not been used since, nor his bank cards.
Webb said he asked Koecher to attend a church meeting in his place that day at 11 a.m.
"He said he was in Las Vegas, but would go back [to St. George] if I needed him to," said Webb. "I was also in Vegas so decided to go back myself. I told him just to do whatever it was he had to do and I'd see him later. That's it. I wish I would have asked him to go back to St. George."
Webb, who did not
know why Koecher was in the Las Vegas area, said his friend always told him if he was not planning to be at church. That Sunday, he never called.
"It's one thing that sticks out in my mind," said Webb.
Webb said Koecher, who worked for The Salt Lake Tribune 's online edition from March 2007 until July 2008, had been actively looking for a full-time job and had sent out his résumé to a list of possible employers.
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14152619


According to GW he is good friends with Steven at church, The cell was used next day to call voice mail,,so that statement by GW is wrong so can we assume GW would know if SCA was job related as he said Steven was looking for a job. I am finding it hard to believe GW didn't ask him what he was doing in Vegas.

Hope you are feeling better Mia .

 

[Fairy1]

bbm
Greg Webb, a good friend of Koecher's in the LDS church, said he called Koecher the morning he disappeared. His cell phone has not been used since, nor his bank cards.
Webb said he asked Koecher to attend a church meeting in his place that day at 11 a.m.
"He said he was in Las Vegas, but would go back [to St. George] if I needed him to," said Webb. "I was also in Vegas so decided to go back myself. I told him just to do whatever it was he had to do and I'd see him later. That's it. I wish I would have asked him to go back to St. George."
Webb, who did not
know why Koecher was in the Las Vegas area, said his friend always told him if he was not planning to be at church. That Sunday, he never called.
"It's one thing that sticks out in my mind," said Webb.
Webb said Koecher, who worked for The Salt Lake Tribune 's online edition from March 2007 until July 2008, had been actively looking for a full-time job and had sent out his résumé to a list of possible employers.
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14152619


According to GW he is good friends with Steven at church, The cell was used next day to call voice mail,,so that statement by GW is wrong so can we assume GW would know if SCA was job related as he said Steven was looking for a job. I am finding it hard to believe GW didn't ask him what he was doing in Vegas.

Hope you are feeling better Mia .

We really have no way of knowing what was said when GW called SK on 12/13. For all we know, GW killed Steven earlier that day or the night before and just placed the call to cover his tracks that next day. (There! I said it!)

And I agree, I find it very hard to believe he wouldn't have asked what Steven was doing in Vegas that day. No way.

 

[carbuff]

Just because GW said they were good friends doesn't mean Steven thought they were good friends.

 

[RubyRed]

We really have no way of knowing what was said when GW called SK on 12/13. For all we know, GW killed Steven earlier that day or the night before and just placed the call to cover his tracks that next day. (There! I said it!)

And I agree, I find it very hard to believe he wouldn't have asked what Steven was doing in Vegas that day. No way.

If we believe that is Steven on the surveillance than whatever was done happened on Sunday. Do you think that is Steven on the video Fairy1 ?
LOL, yes you said it. Laytonian why have Steven's friends stopped posting here?

 

[RubyRed]

I also meant to say youtube video has 85 hits and 1 comment.

 

[Fairy1]

If we believe that is Steven on the surveillance than whatever was done happened on Sunday. Do you think that is Steven on the video Fairy1 ?
LOL, yes you said it. Laytonian why have Steven's friends stopped posting here?

I do believe it's Steven on that video. But having been in that same spot - I just cannot figure out WHY he would have been there!

And we still don't know what time GW made it back to St. George or if he made it to church at all that day.

 

[RubyRed]

I do believe it's Steven on that video. But having been in that same spot - I just cannot figure out WHY he would have been there!

And we still don't know what time GW made it back to St. George or if he made it to church at all that day.

Well you know what they say " when a crime is committed, often the perps routine is changed" that day and the next. They don't go to work the next day,act nervous and maybe not going to church.

 

[sbakker]

Being a member of the LDS church, I believe that GW would have known about Steven being out of town. They were in the Elder's Quorum together, and you have meetings who will be conducting the meeting for Sunday. So in my opinion, GW would have told his counselors he would be out of town, and Steven would have said he would be gone, before Sunday, so they would know who would be conducting the meeting.

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

The story's a bit scrambled. ABC4 isn't in Cedar City, it's in SLC. It's not "route 15", it's Interstate 15....and it's one of the nation's major drug routes. I-15 runs from Mexico to Canada, and is nicknamed The NAFTA highway.

But man....yeah, I remember that one. Almost a year ago

That's EXACTLY the kind of courier job I've been thinking of: legal, but a bit shady.
Ruby Valley trip could easily have taken him through Elko, NV.

What if he had a job on Dec 13th to drive a car somewhere, for someone...explaining why he left his?

There is an owner of a Pharmacy in Vegas that lives on Portsmouth Creek. So originally I thought that might be a possibility...but research shows everything is kosher from the limited access outsiders have. Just another theory to throw out there.

 

[My6]

So I have not been able to spend any time on here due to my internet keeps going down but I had a second to catch up.. Here is what I am wondering now..

Could it be that GW KNEW about the courier position or was having him do it for him in some illegal fashion and Steven was actually innocent in it all??

GW knowing it was risky and so sending Steven in the end to deliver the final papers etc, it resulting in his kidnapping... Reason why GW was in Las Vegas as well and won't say why and KNOWS that it must have gone bad and KNOWS who is involved..

Maybe why he is "at an all time low" is because he found out they killed him in the end???

Just a thought...

 

[carbuff]

Being a member of the LDS church, I believe that GW would have known about Steven being out of town. They were in the Elder's Quorum together, and you have meetings who will be conducting the meeting for Sunday. So in my opinion, GW would have told his counselors he would be out of town, and Steven would have said he would be gone, before Sunday, so they would know who would be conducting the meeting.

So it sounds like if the other counselors had to call to find out where both of them were, that means the absence of both was unexpected.

Which again points to a triggering incident Saturday night or Sunday morning.

 

[sbakker]

So it sounds like if the other counselors had to call to find out where both of them were, that means the absence of both was unexpected.

Which again points to a triggering incident Saturday night or Sunday morning.

You know, this is what I believe. my husband has been a Elders Q. President. He would have meetings,before Sunday, and it would be discussed, who would be conducting, who would give the announcements about upcoming events. If he, or one of his counselors would NOT be there, it would be discussed. If one was sick or there was a emergency, they would call and let the President know.

 

[laytonian]

If we believe that is Steven on the surveillance than whatever was done happened on Sunday. Do you think that is Steven on the video Fairy1 ?
LOL, yes you said it. Laytonian why have Steven's friends stopped posting here?

The only friend I know posted here, was Tommy U -- and he came in to clear up some things he believed were untrue. He didn't come back. Obviously, some of the things being discussed (possibilities about Steven's personal life or crime involvement) are touchy subjects. But, IMO, still valid.

While people hate that we ponder "bad stuff", to me the "bad stuff" is that he's missing...with everything else being peripheral noise but potentially essential clues.

It's obvious that some of Steven's friends and acquaintances read here, and I think it's kind of sad that they won't even contribute some anonymous information.

Like helping us clean up the timeline for the week before he disappeared.

Did ANYONE know if he had a job that required driving?
If so, what was it?
How did he find it?
Who did he work for?
What was he doing?

He was at the Ruby Valley ranch about 11am for "a couple of hours" and showed up at the St George temple around 6:6:30pm?
That's a little over four hours (355 miles shortest or 531 via typical freeway route and he didn't have a GPS?)

Did ANYONE know if he was truly depressed or having psychological problems?

Did ANYONE ever express concern about Steven?

Where's the people who DID see him or have info? We get half a sentence from them and that's it. They've washed their hands of Steven? Boss TH? AN whose family talked to him? The neighbor who saw him that last evening?

:banghead:

 

[Malini2001]

Did anyone notice if GW's facebook site had an employer listed before it was made private? Wondering if his line of work could have anything to do with what Steven was doing.

Could it be easily found out by a member of the LDS church how long GW had held his position in the church?

 

[laytonian]

You know, this is what I believe. my husband has been a Elders Q. President. He would have meetings,before Sunday, and it would be discussed, who would be conducting, who would give the announcements about upcoming events. If he, or one of his counselors would NOT be there, it would be discussed. If one was sick or there was a emergency, they would call and let the President know.

...and that's what was said about Steven. "He'd call if he wasn't going to be there" (EXCEPT he didn't, that last time).

The interesting thing is that the EQ President himself didn't (apparently) alert anyone. They "realized" after the meeting had started, that EQ President GW wasn't going to be there so they called Steven.

I'd like to think that GW went to Vegas to help Steven out of some dark hole in his life ... but IF he did, why weren't the police and Steven's family alerted, rather than having that car sit there for four days, before he was reported missing?

 

[laytonian]

There is an owner of a Pharmacy in Vegas that lives on Portsmouth Creek. So originally I thought that might be a possibility...but research shows everything is kosher from the limited access outsiders have. Just another theory to throw out there.

Does anyone in that neighborhood have reason to hire drivers, delivery people or couriers?

 

[laytonian]

bbm
Greg Webb, a good friend of Koecher's in the LDS church, said he called Koecher the morning he disappeared. His cell phone has not been used since, nor his bank cards.
Webb said he asked Koecher to attend a church meeting in his place that day at 11 a.m.
"He said he was in Las Vegas, but would go back [to St. George] if I needed him to," said Webb. "I was also in Vegas so decided to go back myself. I told him just to do whatever it was he had to do and I'd see him later. That's it. I wish I would have asked him to go back to St. George."

looking for a full-time job and had sent out his résumé to a list of possible employers.
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14152619

According to GW he is good friends with Steven at church, The cell was used next day to call voice mail,,so that statement by GW is wrong so can we assume GW would know if SCA was job related as he said Steven was looking for a job. I am finding it hard to believe GW didn't ask him what he was doing in Vegas.
Hope you are feeling better Mia .

At the time Webb said that, he likely didn't know about the voicemail call which only became known when the phone records were obtained.
If he DID have prior knowledge of the call to voicemail, he wouldn't have mentioned it, because that would have disclosed knowledge of the disappearance.

MY only problem with any of the events of Sunday morning, Dec 13th is that the GW-SK call was at 8:57am St George time.
It's two hours driving time between Vegas and St George.
GW, who is quoted as saying he was already on his way back to StG, wasn't at the PEC meeting at 11:10.am

 

[hollyblue]

I think if that's what happened, he expected to come back.

Possible he could have been car-jacked whilie delivering the car? Maybe he was on the *other side* of an insurance fraud---stealing the car so to speak. A few things could have happened in this case. IMO