NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - # 6

[hollyblue]

Hollyblue,
Well, the church was going to help Steven jobwise ; they had promised to find him employment after the 1st of the year. Meanwhile, he had a block of time, with no structure at all that I can see. He might well have looked at the driving as recreational, preferable to staying in the house alone. Who really knows ? I'm beginning to think that he was always just a bit "out of sync" with everyone, but we don't exactly know for sure. I don't really understand where the people who know him are ; they don't seem all that visible anymore.

I agree. Not much transparency is there? Too, remember that we were not told of the upcoming job in January until a few weeks ago. Why? If the parents, GW and everyone is explaining the driving as staying busy job hunting? Things just aren't "jiving".
Wonder what the job was that the church had for him. I wouldn't be nit picking, but maybe he didn't want to do it.?

 

[liz b.]

Holly,
IDK if he knew what the specific job would be. In any case, Steven had always had help finding work, so at least it wasn't a new thing for him ? The significant thing is that he had seemingly always needed help to find a job. Why ? What was there about Steven that made it so difficult for him to navigate his way in the world ? Whatever his issues I think they were likely exacerbated by his living alone the last month before he disappeared ; the driving may have become more frantic over the last week he was around ? I get the impression that he might have been frightened to be in that house. And I wonder why.

 

[MBLover]

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I get the impression that he might have been frightened to be in that house. And I wonder why.

Maybe this has been brought up before - if it has I've missed it.

Could it be that IF SK was afraid that maybe he had been threatened by his roommate?

Didn't SK tell on the roommate to the landlord about the roommate eating his food?

Could it be the roommate thought well if SK tells on me for taking his food then what else did he tell this landlord and wonder if he snitched to LE on my pot smoking...

Just throwin' it out there...

 

[laytonian]

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Maybe this has been brought up before - if it has I've missed it.

Could it be that IF SK was afraid that maybe he had been threatened by his roommate?

Didn't SK tell on the roommate to the landlord about the roommate eating his food?

Could it be the roommate thought well if SK tells on me for taking his food then what else did he tell this landlord and wonder if he snitched to LE on my pot smoking...

Just throwin' it out there...

... 'cept the roomie had moved out (snuck out without paying rent) about a month before. So if he was going to threaten Steven over tattling to the landlord about missing food, wouldn't he have done it much sooner?

According to the landlord's wife, they didn't even know Z was using drugs until they found traces of marijuana in his room after he moved out. Even said they wouldn't have rented to him, if they'd known.

 

[laytonian]

Holly,
IDK if he knew what the specific job would be. In any case, Steven had always had help finding work, so at least it wasn't a new thing for him ? The significant thing is that he had seemingly always needed help to find a job. Why ? What was there about Steven that made it so difficult for him to navigate his way in the world ? Whatever his issues I think they were likely exacerbated by his living alone the last month before he disappeared ; the driving may have become more frantic over the last week he was around ? I get the impression that he might have been frightened to be in that house. And I wonder why.

It does seem like he didn't want to be there, doesn't it?

But the roomie was gone.

There's only one person I can think of, who he was having any kind of conflict with...and that was over money. But would he be so frightened to stay in the house, that he'd start living in his car and leave his possessions behind?

 

[seekingsusan]

It does seem like he didn't want to be there, doesn't it?

But the roomie was gone.

There's only one person I can think of, who he was having any kind of conflict with...and that was over money. But would he be so frightened to stay in the house, that he'd start living in his car and leave his possessions behind?

Maybe Steven was worried that his landlord would show up to confront him personally. It's one thing to avoid phone calls, but it's much harder to avoid a landlord on your doorstep who has keys to the house. Perhaps Steven figured they couldn't kick him out or serve him with eviction papers if he wasn't home.

Granted on the timeline it says that Steven talked to his landlord between Dec. 2nd and 6th about getting caught up on rent, but the actual quote says it was "a few days" before he disappeared, which is much later than even the 6th. (Like maybe the 10th, 11th, or 12th?)

 

[My6]

Maybe Steven was worried that his landlord would show up to confront him personally. It's one thing to avoid phone calls, but it's much harder to avoid a landlord on your doorstep who has keys to the house. Perhaps Steven figured they couldn't kick him out or serve him with eviction papers if he wasn't home.

Granted on the timeline it says that Steven talked to his landlord between Dec. 2nd and 6th about getting caught up on rent, but the actual quote says it was "a few days" before he disappeared, which is much later than even the 6th. (Like maybe the 10th, 11th, or 12th?)

Still seems very extreme for a reason to go missing

 

[renn3434]

I wonder. The first mention was posted on Feb 3rd, on the FB page....almost two months after Dec 9th.

This may be a question that the Bishopric could solve for us, by maybe even checking the temple records to see if Steven's card was swiped at entry?

My source that said it was December 9th at 6:30 and that Steven was one of three males that attended is as credible as they come. IMO! I wasn't there on Dec. 9th.

 

[laytonian]

Maybe Steven was worried that his landlord would show up to confront him personally. It's one thing to avoid phone calls, but it's much harder to avoid a landlord on your doorstep who has keys to the house. Perhaps Steven figured they couldn't kick him out or serve him with eviction papers if he wasn't home.

Granted on the timeline it says that Steven talked to his landlord between Dec. 2nd and 6th about getting caught up on rent,

Read it again.
The conversation that happened between the 2nd and 6th, per the landlord, was between Steven and his Dad. Steven's Dad later (after Steven disappeared) told the landlord about the conversation.

I know, it's kind of confusingbut there's two different conversations being reported there, by the landlord.
I put separate bullet points to indicate that, as well as SUBSEQIENTLY, to help indicate.

but the actual quote says it was "a few days" before he disappeared, which is much later than even the 6th. (Like maybe the 10th, 11th, or 12th?)

Dec 1-5: (date from a previous report by Nikala) the landlord leaves a message on Steven's parents' phone about unpaid rent. Steven's Dad calls Steven about it, the day after they get the message, during the first week of December.

(Steven was pretty much avoiding all phone calls 9th-10th, except for his parents and sister. His mother told him on the 10th that she'd deposit money into his account, to help him catch up on the rent.)

LATER, Steven and the landlord have their conversation. You're right, that's likely around the 10th-12th, and that's when they talk about "getting caught up".

Steven knew money was coming. Of course, he was spending about $50 a day on gas and fast food (or maybe even more).....and he could have stayed home and paid the landlord a couple of hundred dollars.

 

[laytonian]

My source that said it was December 9th at 6:30 and that Steven was one of three males that attended is as credible as they come. IMO! I wasn't there on Dec. 9th.

Okay. Now I'm going to assume that your source isn't one of my two sources (AL and CL)...so I'm going to do a 1, 2, 3 confirmation thing on that.

Thank you!

Anyone want to try their magical mystery powers on AN, to check on that Ruby Valley visit date (and best start and end times)???

 

[liz b.]

That lack of cause and effect thinking ( if I drive to Ruby Valley I won't have my rent money) and skewed priorities are both disturbing in someone Steven's age. If everything we know is true (big if), then I think there is something about Steven that his family has chosen not to reveal. And,they don't have to,of course.

 

[carbuff]

The rent thing is really weird, especially considering that the roommate went off without paying.

 

[sbakker]

I cannot for the life of me, figure out why Steven's friends have not said more. I feel as though, he did not have many close friends. Friendly, but not alot of close friends. So it is probably why they have not said much-there is nothing to say. But GW? Come on, he should be organizing, and leading some posters geting out, getting things out on the web,etc. Thats kind of his responsibility, in his church calling I would think. When my husband was a Elder's Q. Pres, if someone died, or needed help moving, or was out of work, etc. he would line things up for others to help. Its just kind of odd he has not said much on Facebook, or here! You know he reads these. And now his Facebook is private? Come on!He needs to be a friend, and step up, and help.

 

[sbakker]

The rent thing is really weird, especially considering that the roommate went off without paying.

Yes, the rent-and I hope that roommate has been checked out. Maybe Steven is at his home? Or near by-with a new life?

 

[laytonian]

The rent thing is really weird, especially considering that the roommate went off without paying.

There was a posting somewhere, that I didn't archive because it had little to do with this case, that said the landlord was going to take Z to court. Not only did he leave rent unpaid, but remember....he took small kitchen appliances with him, when he left.
Not exactly a mastermind, Z.

Steven and Z really did leave the landlord in a bind. Maybe even a deeper hole than we can imagine. No rent income for how long....three months? Without the rental income, there was no money to keep the utilities on in the home.

 

[Lato]

I will say that it is almost cruel to tell someone who has been out of real work for 7 months and who cannot pay rent and maybe car note - that you will get them a job after the first of the year. If you can do it in three weeks, why not do it now! I agree that he is not a Type A personality, but not everyone is. If you are going to lend a hand, lend it now.

And why in the world did Steven not accept the money his family was willing to give him for his rent. He may not have wanted to take it, but he should have gotten the message about responsibility to others. If he was proud, he could have taken it and paid his family back.

And what happens to a single LDS male who becomes 30 yrs of age. Is he ejected from the Singles Ward?
Will he stay in the singles ward forever? Does he go into some other group? Lots of pressure for SK.

 

[hollyblue]

I wonder what his bank statements looked like for the 3 mos. he did not pay rent? Did he make deposits, did he keep a large portion in cash, what kind of debits to the a/c came in besides gas, Taco Bell, groceries, phone, car & ins.?
Cable?

 

[Fairy1]

There was a posting somewhere, that I didn't archive because it had little to do with this case, that said the landlord was going to take Z to court. Not only did he leave rent unpaid, but remember....he took small kitchen appliances with him, when he left.
Not exactly a mastermind, Z.

Steven and Z really did leave the landlord in a bind. Maybe even a deeper hole than we can imagine. No rent income for how long....three months? Without the rental income, there was no money to keep the utilities on in the home.

For someone of Steven's reported "maturity level," this may have been reason enough for him to take off. It was right before Christmas and he probably felt badly about it. Granted, running off and not contacting your family for months wouldn't probably be considered a "normal" reaction, but then again....

 

[laytonian]

And why in the world did Steven not accept the money his family was willing to give him for his rent. He may not have wanted to take it, but he should have gotten the message about responsibility to others. If he was proud, he could have taken it and paid his family back.

You make excellent points -- I have my suspicions about the money, so I've deleted your other good points

We /u/med that after his mother deposted money into his account, that it meant he'd have a certain amount (maybe $1,000 to catch up on the rent?)....but then, when we asked Naegle, she said there was $0 in the account.

How could that be, we scratched our heads and banged them. THEN, we remembered overdrafts.

I'll bet that the money Steven's mother put in his account, carved some off the balance due (or deleted the overdraft balance).....so that instead of having a positive balance, any spending he did would have meant more debt.

But STILL. Why NOT pay the landlord and get caught up while looking for a job?

If he didn't want to live there anymore, why not take his stuff out of the apartment?

OR...could the locks have been changed, and he was unable to get his belongings? Could that account for the short visit on the evening of the 12th?

I wouldn't blame the landlords for being fed up.

 

[Fairy1]

HollyB.,
No, it was posted here, can't recall by whom.The post said ( paraphrasing ) " the family now seems to think that Steven took off, but LE is planning another search, so maybe they(LE) don't think he took off " Could just have been an opinion as to what the Koechers think, but, there has not been any more talk of a presser anytime soon.And, as far as I know, no more word of another search. If the family does think this, I have no idea why they have not come out and said so. It is a bit strange. IMHO.

That was me. It was my opinion, based on a couple of comments by family - but really nothing more than my own reading between the lines.

We were supposed to have a lot of rain last weekend, but it never happened until Sunday night. I figured that may have been the reason for not scheduling a search. Supposed to rain again this weekend, but we shall see.

There is NO sense of urgency from the folks who should have a sense of urgency here. Am I right?