NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - # 7

[sbakker]

Steven did not have to talk often on the phone with GW to make plans to do things together. They probably saw each other at least a couple times a week because of their church positions. I agree with fasteddy4, that it leads back to GW. I do not think Steven had many close friends. The people he saw most in St. George were probably people in his ward. That was his social life, anyway its seemed to be.

 

[Sin City]

Steven's father mentioned during the press conf. that Steven was an Eagle Scout. I wonder if this fact would have any connections to the Las Vegas area for Steven?

Someone asked where I saw a post regarding a possible home on EL connected to Sacramento, and I've hunted for the post. I'm a newbie, and I'm still learning how to use the threads, however it was in the beginning threads...1, 2, or 3. In the future I'll try not to mention a previous statement without including thread information.

There are some great researchers on this post, but I seem to get information overload, and it takes me too long to process everything. lol With that said, I'll continue to lurk, and step in now & then.

 

[hollyblue]

Yes, I was there. Were you? I had a green jacket on. Wore sunglasses (most people were not). Stood and watched from about ten feet behind the main camera guy. That was my first news conference ever. Was interesting. I should have added before that I wished the police would have done some talking.

You read my mind this morning, that was the question I was going to ask. If the police had spoken? Strange that they did not. Was it only his mother and father, plus his younger brother that spoke? We are not seeing any comments in the media quoting what his brother had said. How long did the presser last? Unfortunate you and Fairy couldn't get a video of the whole thing to upload.

I know the mother said he had worked on the 8th, which we had not heard before. And was in northern Utah on the 9th and 10th. I don't think the public still has any real knowledge of the extent of lack of work, or his troubles of being 3 mos behind in rent. Was glad to hear of the knowledge re: the passport, but wish we would have been aware of it sooner, and the actual cell ping info. Not much new info or discovery to ponder upon, but some eliminations.
The good thing is they are keeping his name and face out there and family and church are becoming active and visible.

 

[RubyRed]

You read my mind this morning, that was the question I was going to ask. If the police had spoken? Strange that they did not. Was it only his mother and father, plus his younger brother that spoke? We are not seeing any comments in the media quoting what his brother had said. How long did the presser last? Unfortunate you and Fairy couldn't get a video of the whole thing to upload.

I know the mother said he had worked on the 8th, which we had not heard before. And was in northern Utah on the 9th and 10th. I don't think the public still has any real knowledge of the extent of lack of work, or his troubles of being 3 mos behind in rent. Was glad to hear of the knowledge re: the passport, but wish we would have been aware of it sooner, and the actual cell ping info. Not much new info or discovery to ponder upon, but some eliminations.
The good thing is they are keeping his name and face out there and family and church are becoming active and visible.

the presser is here
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/global/story.asp?s=12051844

 

[RubyRed]

Steven's father mentioned during the press conf. that Steven was an Eagle Scout. I wonder if this fact would have any connections to the Las Vegas area for Steven?

Someone asked where I saw a post regarding a possible home on EL connected to Sacramento, and I've hunted for the post. I'm a newbie, and I'm still learning how to use the threads, however it was in the beginning threads...1, 2, or 3. In the future I'll try not to mention a previous statement without including thread information.

There are some great researchers on this post, but I seem to get information overload, and it takes me too long to process everything. lol With that said, I'll continue to lurk, and step in now & then.

That was me . I thought if it was a fact it was important as Sac was mentioned. There does always seem to be some truth in what people say.

 

[My6]

If I was a guessing man, I would say that that Sat. night something occurred while he was out in St. George. Maybe he got a call. Maybe he checked his email somewhere. Maybe there had already been a pre-arranged plan. Maybe he ran into somebody that he knew. Something like that. He goes home for 20-25 minutes. And then leaves again. He was never seen at his place again. To me, that leads back to GW.

Another thing to mention..

We know he talked to GW on the phone right? This was verified by his phone records and GW.

But...

Do we really know that GW was honest about the content of their conversation since we still are not being told that he ever made it back to the meeting?

So maybe GW met up with Steven on Saturday night and then called him on Sunday for a meeting somewhere in Anthem and then GW never did make it back to the meeting, other wise, I do believe we really would have heard about it.

It would cover up the fact that their was a phone call about the St. George EQ meeting, when really that wasn't the context of the phone call at all..

Just some thoughts as to why that would not be traced.

 

[Fairy1]

You read my mind this morning, that was the question I was going to ask. If the police had spoken? Strange that they did not. Was it only his mother and father, plus his younger brother that spoke? We are not seeing any comments in the media quoting what his brother had said. How long did the presser last? Unfortunate you and Fairy couldn't get a video of the whole thing to upload.

I know the mother said he had worked on the 8th, which we had not heard before. And was in northern Utah on the 9th and 10th. I don't think the public still has any real knowledge of the extent of lack of work, or his troubles of being 3 mos behind in rent. Was glad to hear of the knowledge re: the passport, but wish we would have been aware of it sooner, and the actual cell ping info. Not much new info or discovery to ponder upon, but some eliminations.
The good thing is they are keeping his name and face out there and family and church are becoming active and visible.

I don't know why they didn't include the beginning where Steven's younger brother spoke, but he basically just did a recap of everything we already know and announced the reward and week of vigilance.

 

[Fairy1]

Another thing to mention..

We know he talked to GW on the phone right? This was verified by his phone records and GW.

But...

Do we really know that GW was honest about the content of their conversation since we still are not being told that he ever made it back to the meeting?

So maybe GW met up with Steven on Saturday night and then called him on Sunday for a meeting somewhere in Anthem and then GW never did make it back to the meeting, other wise, I do believe we really would have heard about it.

It would cover up the fact that their was a phone call about the St. George EQ meeting, when really that wasn't the context of the phone call at all..

Just some thoughts as to why that would not be traced.

BBM - no, we really don't know what was actually said in that conversation.

 

[RubyRed]

Here is another theory to add to, what happened. Check out this comment posted by
nottakingit on the SLT at 10:42 am.
http://www.tribtowns.com/comments/read_comments.asp?ref=14478879&PageIndex=19

I wondered if this would happen when it was mentioned that WVC was contacted because they disappeared fairly close together.

 

[laytonian]

Here is another theory to add to, what happened. Check out this comment posted by
nottakingit on the SLT at 10:42 am.
http://www.tribtowns.com/comments/read_comments.asp?ref=14478879&PageIndex=19

I wondered if this would happen when it was mentioned that WVC was contacted because they disappeared fairly close together.

Wow, they've got everything wrong, don't they?

"Steven was last seen in the flesh Friday night returning home at approx. 10pm for 15-20 minutes and then off again never to be seen again, except for gas receipts, till the video shots in Henderson NV."

We have NO gas receipts after him pulling back out of the driveway, on the night of the 12th.

I'm sorry, but these "he's with Susan" theories make no sense to me....and I've never seen one yet that matched the *known facts* in the case.

She was missing on the morning of the 7th. What did she do? Sit around on a park bench for at least two and a half days, waiting for Steven to drive by? Then, when he picks her up....he takes her to Ruby Valley and back? Or does he pick her up on the way back to St George (kinda rude!) Did he make her buy her own food? Taco Time is cheap, but not so cheap that two people could have eaten for less than $4?

ALSO: does ANYONE believe that a member of Susan Powell's family contacted St George police, about a connection between the two cases? Susan's family says none of them called about it. I can see someone *claiming* to be a member of Susan's family, just to give their theory more credibility.

I'd bet there's been so many "Do you think Susan ran off with Steven Koecher" tips, that the cops have a drinking game now

 

[Fairy1]

Wow, they've got everything wrong, don't they?

"Steven was last seen in the flesh Friday night returning home at approx. 10pm for 15-20 minutes and then off again never to be seen again, except for gas receipts, till the video shots in Henderson NV."

We have NO gas receipts after him pulling back out of the driveway, on the night of the 12th.

I'm sorry, but these "he's with Susan" theories make no sense to me....and I've never seen one yet that matched the *known facts* in the case.

She was missing on the morning of the 7th. What did she do? Sit around on a park bench for two and a half days, waiting for Steven to drive by?

ALSO: does ANYONE believe that a member of Susan Powell's family contacted St George police, about a connection between the two cases? Susan's family says none of them called about it. I can see someone *claiming* to be a member of Susan's family, just to give their theory more credibility.

It doesn't make any sense to me either. It was Steven's father who said the Powell family made that call. But he said they don't believe there's any connection either.

It would be nice if it were true as it would mean Steven and Susan are both alive somewhere. But sadly, I don't believe it.

 

[laytonian]

Was there for 20-25 minutes and then left again without taking anything out of his car.

We don't have that information, about possibly taking anything out of his car. He did leave the Christmas presents in there, but since he'd be driving to SLC in about 10 days for Christmas, it may have seemed more efficient to leave them.

He was not seen at his St. George place again.

If I was a guessing man, I would say that that Sat. night something occurred while he was out in St. George. Maybe he got a call. Maybe he checked his email somewhere. Maybe there had already been a pre-arranged plan. Maybe he ran into somebody that he knew. Something like that. He goes home for 20-25 minutes. And then leaves again. He was never seen at his place again. To me, that leads back to GW.

There is a reason the Tracphone thing does not fly with me. Were two phone chargers found or one? Surely, the charger that fit the Tracphone would not fit his regular phone. So, there would be two. But only one was found and it was the one for his personal phone. What did he do. . .take the Tracphone AND the charger with him when he left the car? I don't think so.

But, I gotta tell you. The thing that bothers me is that no address or directions were found in the car. Did he take them with him? Usually, a person would leave them in the car. Is it plausible that something happened and then someone went to his car with his keys, rummaged through it to take the directions and anything else that might be incriminating? I wonder.

BUT...remember that you said if there were directions to an address, that he'd have taken them with him, so he could walk there.

I thought you made an excellent point....so don't forget it!

I also wonder if the car has been fingerprinted. As much as he was doing everything alone, there would practically be nobody else's fingerprints in that car. Would the police have done that?

No, the police did not do that. We don't know why.
Maybe they didn't think a crime occurred.
Maybe the Koecher family stepped inside it first, and searched.
Maybe .....??

 

[RubyRed]

If life were a fairy tale, and Susan was with Steven, she would be with someone more caring. But she was with that loon, Joshy, and life is not a fairy tale. I agree I don't see these cases being related at all.

 

[webrocket]

Naegle, if you are able to, can you find out from whomever did the forensic sweep of the hard drive when it was last used? I think that may reveal alot more information than some would think.

 

[RubyRed]

I just read through the Sun City Anthem
Pg# 13,,Security- 150 volunteers total do walking, driving and biking patrol at various times.
pg #26-feeding of birds, when it causes a nuisance to others is prohibited by the Quiet enjoyment clause,,lmao
Pg #40 Bridge< Sundays 1-4pm

http://www.sca-hoa.org/picture/february_10_final.pdf

a writing group

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache...them+authors&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=safari

..nothing is mentioned about Steven going missing from there.
I can't find a January issue.

lol,,they make it sound so perfect there.

 

[Canyon1]

Agreed 100 percent. This thread on Steven is now hundreds of pages long, and it's clear many of you have put a great amount of your personal time into helping to find Steven. I would bet anything that the majority of Steven's family and friends know this thread exists and have read some of all of it. So where are they? If a member of my family or a friend were missing and I saw there were a group of people online devoting great amounts of time to solving the mystery of what happened to him/her, I would be introducing myself to that group, or even just remaining anonymous but providing information/joining in the discussion/answering any questions that I could. Yet, no one. It seems that even KC doesn't come by much anymore. And this is something I cannot understand. How could you stop yourself from being proactive in any way possible to help find a missing loved one, church rules on 'gossip' be damned?

If Steven was despondent and ended it all, where is he? I just feel like his body would have been found by now - after all, he left his car on foot. How far could he have gotten? Is there an underground group out there which helps people who want to end their lives commit suicide without being found? Does one of their 'members' live in SCA? I know, sounds ridiculous, but I'm at a total loss.

I don't know that I believe that Steven ended it all, but it would be possible that his body isn't found for a long time if that is indeed the case. Several years ago I was on search and rescue in southern Utah and was looking for a gentleman who had left messages to the effect that he was going to commit suicide. We found his car parked in a scenic lookout off of a state highway. We searched extensively with dogs, helicopters, fixed-wing planes and hundreds of searchers in a grid pattern. We put in thousands of man hours over the course of several weeks and never found him. He is still missing some ten years later.

A few years ago, a friend of mine http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200503734S left his truck parked in the area of the Valley of Fire, wandered away and hasn't been seen since. He was older and suffering from health problems and the early signs of dementia. His family thinks he simply wandered off and succumbed to the elements. They searched and searched over the course of months and haven't found any sign of him.

Improbable as it seems, if Steven got in to trouble in the desert or harmed himself, he may not be found for years if ever.

 

[webrocket]

I don't know that I believe that Steven ended it all, but it would be possible that his body isn't found for a long time if that is indeed the case. Several years ago I was on search and rescue in southern Utah and was looking for a gentleman who had left messages to the effect that he was going to commit suicide. We found his car parked in a scenic lookout off of a state highway. We searched extensively with dogs, helicopters, fixed-wing planes and hundreds of searchers in a grid pattern. We put in thousands of man hours over the course of several weeks and never found him. He is still missing some ten years later.

A few years ago, a friend of mine http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200503734S left his truck parked in the area of the Valley of Fire, wandered away and hasn't been seen since. He was older and suffering from health problems and the early signs of dementia. His family thinks he simply wandered off and succumbed to the elements. They searched and searched over the course of months and haven't found any sign of him.

Improbable as it seems, if Steven got in to trouble in the desert or harmed himself, he may not be found for years if ever.

these people parked in or near the parks. Steven parked in a residential neighborhood. A pretty far walk just to get to the desert before being able to wander.

 

[WaitOneMinute]

I see there is a path in between the houses that leads right to the golf course... had anyone searched the pond right there?

 

[laytonian]

I see there is a path in between the houses that leads right to the golf course... had anyone searched the pond right there?

We understand that after last months heavy rains in the Vegas area, the outflow from the retention ponds was checked.
We don't know if the ponds themselves have been drug.

But to purposely walk there, you have to have foreknowledge of the ponds and how to get there. And yes, that's been one of my theories, too. But then I talk myself out of it.

 

[liz b.]

Laytonian,
Yes, I have contacted the group at the church ; waiting to hear from them.
Steven was an Eagle Scout, might have managed better than most in rough terrain/ desert