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I wonder if he journaled on his computer?
NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - # 7
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I wonder if he journaled on his computer?
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I was thinking maybe he had a separate notebook computer or laptop for the journal and his other private stuff.
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I'm actually NOT surprised...this just supports my own theory that he was fighting demons of sorts. I know, during the times of my life when church was not a priority, I didn't journal...those were times I DON'T particularly want anyone to read about. Not saying it's the right way to do it, BUT it makes sense at the moment. My life is "secret"...so are my thoughts.
...and "demons" could mean that whatever he was fighting, wasn't approved by those who pass judgment on him.....and who'd call it "the dark side".
Just because you want to change your life, doesn't mean that you're turning evil. But it could seem so, I guess.
Around the World Travel
Mexican Riviera Trip 2010
(Kinda looks like he was working FOR the travel agency, too - which could explain why some charges went on his personal credit card?)
Pa's Olde-Time Chocolates
Pa's website
(click all the links)
Mexican Riviera Trip 2010
(Kinda looks like he was working FOR the travel agency, too - which could explain why some charges went on his personal credit card?)
Pa's Olde-Time Chocolates
Pa's website
(click all the links)
Don't even know if it was new info....but apparently, no one got excited about it.
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Ok.. who is this guy?
I have not been reading much because I have been busy with life...
but this guy is friends with one of my friends (actually my daugthers friend)
Tell me who he is and should I ask this friend anything about him?
He's just a guy who just barely posted on the "Help Us Find Steven" page...almost three months after Steven went missing.
Never hurts to ask anyone anything....and even like "When did you first learn that Steven was missing?"
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Are you able to share it than?
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Steven was in WX in the fall at a wedding... I live in WX.
I think it's possible that my daughter and her friends know some of
his friends...
Ok... I'm off to check this out.
Nope. Just because I don't want to put out a rumor; you know how things get posted, and then six pages later, we're mopping up a mess. We're still dealing with "hard drive wiped"
If/when I get it cleared up, don't worry -- I'll post it here.
We've got the wedding on the timeline, but other than a short mention by Matt, nothing else. Thank you!
Well, here you go people. I got off the phone with my close friend just about fifteen minutes ago. I will not mention her name but she said that she would officially be called a licensed psychologist. She practices in the Las Vegas area. And has done so for over ten years. She has dealt with battered women, sex offenders, drug addicts, ex-drug addicts, etc.
Even though she lives here, she was not familiar with Steven's case. I invited her to come check out what we have said over the last month or two. And she said she would do that since she really does not live that far from where Steven disappeared as well.
In any case, how I set it up was I told her the facts of the case. . .Steven struggling with money issues, being distant from his parents and friends, driving long distances, etc. Then, I added in what people have said about him since he disappeared. . .some slight trouble with women, behind on his rent, him still attending church services, etc. But I added that it seemed in the month before his disappearance that he started acting a bit erratic. She asked me if he had any history of mental problems. I told her that he was not on any medication even though some people would say that Steven could be a little "backward." And one friends years ago said that Steven sometimes hesitated during conversations.
So, I talked about the whole case for a few minutes. And the first word that came out of her after I finished was, "drugs". I told her that his car had been checked for drugs with dogs but nothing was found. . .allegedly. She said she did not necessarily mean that Steven was doing drugs. But, in her experience, when people start doing things erractically. . .seemingly for no reason or at least no reasonable explanation that can be found.. . it usually means they are involved in something illegal. And in her opinion, living in Las Vegas as long as she has, her opinion is that he was probably doing drugs OR was collecting for someone that was selling them.
She totally dismissed any idea that Steven had some mental problems or was suicidal. Granted, she admitted to me in an email before we talked that it's hard to make an accurate assessment on what is third hand or fourth hand info. But, the facts of this particular case to her do not add up to Steven having any mental issues.
What was interesting to me is that she did not even hesitate after I finished my dissertation. Within a second she said, "drugs". She went on to expound that Steven was most likely doing something illegal and that is why he was staying away from his family and not returning friends calls. Because he was ashamed. When I stated that people said Steven was a bit "naive". She said that even added more to her belief because that is who drug dealers usually prey on to do work such as collect money because these people can be manipulated.
I got the idea in talking to her that she has heard stories like this before. Granted, not everyone ends up disappearing but the confidence with which she gave me her assessment told me that she knew this kind of story all too well. Good person, good family, good friends, etc. . .all the sudden can't be reached, driving all over the place for seemingly no reason, behind on rent, etc. . .I think she has heard this story before and what it added up to was Steven doing something illegal. And her first opinion was "drugs".
I told her that he disappeared in the 55+ section of SCA. She was non-phased by that. She said that it was not unusual for kids to use their parents homes as bases for their operations, especially if the parents were not around. Once again, it sounded to me like she had heard my story too many times before. And like me, she also knew about the pot-growing bust in the Lakes area of Las Vegas. . .nice community. And prostitution rings being busted in Spanish Trails. . .VERY nice community. That it happened in a 55+ community did not mean anything to her.
She thinks, given the facts, that Steven is not with us anymore, given her familiarity with stories such as these. I told her that nobody can figure how Steven even got to Evening Lights in the first place. No directions. No cell phone records (that we know of). She said that whoever gave Steven the directions more than likely told him to park down the street because where he was going, no one was supposed to be home at that address. And they also told him to take the directions with him in his pocket when got out of the car.
And I will say this again. . .she knew nothing about this case until I told her but she rattled off, like she had heard this all before, all this info in under a minute. There was no "Well, that doesn't make any sense." Or "Don't know what to think about that."
So, you can take or leave the info. She said she would be more than happy to answer any more questions. But, I'm not going to bug her. So, don't send me like a hundred questions because I ain't gonna do that. I think what she means is that if there are any new facts that pop up she is more than willing to opine on them from a psychology point of view.
Really, her answers don't surprise me. One of my first posts on here ever was that this looked like an episode of To Catch a Predator. Granted, I may have gotten the business wrong. . .drugs (not underage girls). . .but I wasn't far off. It very well could be that someone set Steven up. Maybe he was getting cold feet about doing somebody's dirty work and he needed to be taken care of.
I should say that I did not mention the Webb angle on this because I wanted to concentrate mainly on Steven's state of mind and what his actions leading up his disappearance might have meant. And mentioning Webb would not have anything to do with Steven's state of mind.
There you go. Just doing what I can to move this all forward.
Even though she lives here, she was not familiar with Steven's case. I invited her to come check out what we have said over the last month or two. And she said she would do that since she really does not live that far from where Steven disappeared as well.
In any case, how I set it up was I told her the facts of the case. . .Steven struggling with money issues, being distant from his parents and friends, driving long distances, etc. Then, I added in what people have said about him since he disappeared. . .some slight trouble with women, behind on his rent, him still attending church services, etc. But I added that it seemed in the month before his disappearance that he started acting a bit erratic. She asked me if he had any history of mental problems. I told her that he was not on any medication even though some people would say that Steven could be a little "backward." And one friends years ago said that Steven sometimes hesitated during conversations.
So, I talked about the whole case for a few minutes. And the first word that came out of her after I finished was, "drugs". I told her that his car had been checked for drugs with dogs but nothing was found. . .allegedly. She said she did not necessarily mean that Steven was doing drugs. But, in her experience, when people start doing things erractically. . .seemingly for no reason or at least no reasonable explanation that can be found.. . it usually means they are involved in something illegal. And in her opinion, living in Las Vegas as long as she has, her opinion is that he was probably doing drugs OR was collecting for someone that was selling them.
She totally dismissed any idea that Steven had some mental problems or was suicidal. Granted, she admitted to me in an email before we talked that it's hard to make an accurate assessment on what is third hand or fourth hand info. But, the facts of this particular case to her do not add up to Steven having any mental issues.
What was interesting to me is that she did not even hesitate after I finished my dissertation. Within a second she said, "drugs". She went on to expound that Steven was most likely doing something illegal and that is why he was staying away from his family and not returning friends calls. Because he was ashamed. When I stated that people said Steven was a bit "naive". She said that even added more to her belief because that is who drug dealers usually prey on to do work such as collect money because these people can be manipulated.
I got the idea in talking to her that she has heard stories like this before. Granted, not everyone ends up disappearing but the confidence with which she gave me her assessment told me that she knew this kind of story all too well. Good person, good family, good friends, etc. . .all the sudden can't be reached, driving all over the place for seemingly no reason, behind on rent, etc. . .I think she has heard this story before and what it added up to was Steven doing something illegal. And her first opinion was "drugs".
I told her that he disappeared in the 55+ section of SCA. She was non-phased by that. She said that it was not unusual for kids to use their parents homes as bases for their operations, especially if the parents were not around. Once again, it sounded to me like she had heard my story too many times before. And like me, she also knew about the pot-growing bust in the Lakes area of Las Vegas. . .nice community. And prostitution rings being busted in Spanish Trails. . .VERY nice community. That it happened in a 55+ community did not mean anything to her.
She thinks, given the facts, that Steven is not with us anymore, given her familiarity with stories such as these. I told her that nobody can figure how Steven even got to Evening Lights in the first place. No directions. No cell phone records (that we know of). She said that whoever gave Steven the directions more than likely told him to park down the street because where he was going, no one was supposed to be home at that address. And they also told him to take the directions with him in his pocket when got out of the car.
And I will say this again. . .she knew nothing about this case until I told her but she rattled off, like she had heard this all before, all this info in under a minute. There was no "Well, that doesn't make any sense." Or "Don't know what to think about that."
So, you can take or leave the info. She said she would be more than happy to answer any more questions. But, I'm not going to bug her. So, don't send me like a hundred questions because I ain't gonna do that. I think what she means is that if there are any new facts that pop up she is more than willing to opine on them from a psychology point of view.
Really, her answers don't surprise me. One of my first posts on here ever was that this looked like an episode of To Catch a Predator. Granted, I may have gotten the business wrong. . .drugs (not underage girls). . .but I wasn't far off. It very well could be that someone set Steven up. Maybe he was getting cold feet about doing somebody's dirty work and he needed to be taken care of.
I should say that I did not mention the Webb angle on this because I wanted to concentrate mainly on Steven's state of mind and what his actions leading up his disappearance might have meant. And mentioning Webb would not have anything to do with Steven's state of mind.
There you go. Just doing what I can to move this all forward.
Thank you (and your friend).
What she says, fits with what I've been thinking for a long time.
IF Steven ended up as a crime victim, it was due to something he'd been doing for awhile, rather than some random event within SCA.
My own thought is that when he walked down that street, someone was waiting for him on the pretense of paying him for his work OR he parked there because he had another "errand" and would be gone for awhile. In either case, someone drove him away.
LDS members: Is it at all possible that instead of saying he was "going to Sacramento", that he told the N family that he "was going to sacrament meeting"?
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Good idea, I looked it up to see what you meant. That could be totally possible, it is so similar. Are you thinking there was one in SCA? or is that not connected. Are we all starting to think someone made him disappear. ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrament_meeting
If I could just add some things to my last post.
I know it is VERY possible that if we were to get some other psychologist involved that he/she might have a totally different opinion. The science of the mind is inexact. It is not like physics where simple equations spit out exact answers. So, I am open to other therapist opinions.
What got me about my conversation with her was her confidence and her apparent familiarity with facts such as the ones I was telling her. It was not so much her psychology "educational" experience that she was using but her psychology "experience" in dealing with people with problems that I think she used to come to her conclusions. And, to me, that adds even more weight to what she said.
Her opinions would explain quite a bit if there was an illegal angle, such as drugs. It would make sense then that there is no Internet trail since no one dealing drugs, for example, is going to email anything about their business. It would make sense that there is no cell phone trail (allegedly) because experienced drug dealers use pay phones and Tracphones. It would also explain doing "business" on a Sunday because most drug dealers have regular jobs as a "cover", especially if they are doing quite a bit of business, so to explain their purchases and cashflow.
It could very well be that when Steven said he would have the rent caught up by January he meant that he would be getting paid for his "illegal" work. Maybe that Sunday he was supposed to get paid for going to Ruby Valley, Overton, etc. And somebody suddenly did not feel like paying him. OR, Steven said he couldn't do it anymore because he felt guilty. Well, they are just not going to let somebody walk away.
Granted, this is all conjecture but it all kind of fits. Much better than my "he met a hooker" scenario.
If I could suggest a plan of action, and if this illegal angle is something that some of us can buy into, it would be interesting to go back through the time line to try to figure out when this all might have started. Instead of looking at phone records from Dec. 11 and 12, maybe records from November need to be examined.
It also makes me think that some of us, including me, may have dismissed his former roommate too quickly. Not saying that the ex-roomie had anything to do with this but it would have given Steven knowledge of how the drug trade works being that his ex-roomie had drug history. All it would take it is one phone call to somebody in his ex-roomie's drug chain for Steven to get hooked up helping them transport or collect. And given Steven's naivete, I can really see him working for free and then hoping to get paid for all his work on Dec. 13.
And above everything else, it is very possible that the people on Evening Lights are totally innocent. It could be one of their children. A deadbeat brother. Someone like that. And a homeowner really has no idea what happened to Steven because they were not there when one of their family members was using their house as a drug drop-off point.
Some new questions:
-were any other cars ever seen parking in that cul de sac before? Not the previous day but weeks or months before.
-who was out of town around Dec. 13 on both Evening Lights and Portsmouth, and that short dead end street off of Portsmouth as well?
-were there any other fingerprints in Steven's car? I now believe more than ever that someone went back to Steven's car later, probably at night, to make sure nothing would give the criminals away.
-who really believes now that Steven's boss is just in the windows and blinds business?
Just sayin'. . .
I should also point out that I am not going to criticize anyone who wants to continue on the mental breakdown or suicide angle. They are still viable scenarios, just not in this one psychologist's mind. Her opinion is enough for me to make my mind up. But, I understand that the rest of you don't know her and you may not be convinced. That's fine.
But, I can tell you that on the strength of her conversation with me, I have decided to stick with the drug angle from now on.
I know it is VERY possible that if we were to get some other psychologist involved that he/she might have a totally different opinion. The science of the mind is inexact. It is not like physics where simple equations spit out exact answers. So, I am open to other therapist opinions.
What got me about my conversation with her was her confidence and her apparent familiarity with facts such as the ones I was telling her. It was not so much her psychology "educational" experience that she was using but her psychology "experience" in dealing with people with problems that I think she used to come to her conclusions. And, to me, that adds even more weight to what she said.
Her opinions would explain quite a bit if there was an illegal angle, such as drugs. It would make sense then that there is no Internet trail since no one dealing drugs, for example, is going to email anything about their business. It would make sense that there is no cell phone trail (allegedly) because experienced drug dealers use pay phones and Tracphones. It would also explain doing "business" on a Sunday because most drug dealers have regular jobs as a "cover", especially if they are doing quite a bit of business, so to explain their purchases and cashflow.
It could very well be that when Steven said he would have the rent caught up by January he meant that he would be getting paid for his "illegal" work. Maybe that Sunday he was supposed to get paid for going to Ruby Valley, Overton, etc. And somebody suddenly did not feel like paying him. OR, Steven said he couldn't do it anymore because he felt guilty. Well, they are just not going to let somebody walk away.
Granted, this is all conjecture but it all kind of fits. Much better than my "he met a hooker" scenario.
If I could suggest a plan of action, and if this illegal angle is something that some of us can buy into, it would be interesting to go back through the time line to try to figure out when this all might have started. Instead of looking at phone records from Dec. 11 and 12, maybe records from November need to be examined.
It also makes me think that some of us, including me, may have dismissed his former roommate too quickly. Not saying that the ex-roomie had anything to do with this but it would have given Steven knowledge of how the drug trade works being that his ex-roomie had drug history. All it would take it is one phone call to somebody in his ex-roomie's drug chain for Steven to get hooked up helping them transport or collect. And given Steven's naivete, I can really see him working for free and then hoping to get paid for all his work on Dec. 13.
And above everything else, it is very possible that the people on Evening Lights are totally innocent. It could be one of their children. A deadbeat brother. Someone like that. And a homeowner really has no idea what happened to Steven because they were not there when one of their family members was using their house as a drug drop-off point.
Some new questions:
-were any other cars ever seen parking in that cul de sac before? Not the previous day but weeks or months before.
-who was out of town around Dec. 13 on both Evening Lights and Portsmouth, and that short dead end street off of Portsmouth as well?
-were there any other fingerprints in Steven's car? I now believe more than ever that someone went back to Steven's car later, probably at night, to make sure nothing would give the criminals away.
-who really believes now that Steven's boss is just in the windows and blinds business?
Just sayin'. . .
I should also point out that I am not going to criticize anyone who wants to continue on the mental breakdown or suicide angle. They are still viable scenarios, just not in this one psychologist's mind. Her opinion is enough for me to make my mind up. But, I understand that the rest of you don't know her and you may not be convinced. That's fine.
But, I can tell you that on the strength of her conversation with me, I have decided to stick with the drug angle from now on.
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Sacrament is only on Sundays and is the first meeting of the block. I don't think the two are related...sorry.
I think many of us, had the same thoughts as your friend. I do not believe Steven committed suicide either. I do not think he ran away. i do think he was involved in something, he knew he should not have been.
I do think his boss needs to be looked at further, along with GW, and the ex roomate.
I did find it very strange, that there was not calls from friends on his phone.
He may have been making deliveries for someone, and did not even know what he was delivering. His boss may have had him deliver things, Steven thinking it was part of the business, not knowing what he was delivering. His boss may have given him "GOOD TIPS" for delivering money to people he was buying from-just a thought.
Another thing that is on my mind, is when GW posted a few weeks back on his Facebook, that he was at a "alltime low". I think about that often. And then replying to somone, that he hoped to tell them all about it one day.(Do not know exact words. if someone does, could you repeat it?)
Just a few of my thoughts.
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