NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - # 8

[laytonian]

I think they showed him himself coming into the store so he could have an idea of how the quality of what he would be looking at...and he didn't even recognize himself. That makes the most sense.

It does ... but he should have known where he was, in that case

Whether it was Home Depot or Best Buy, they just convinced me never to buy a home security system from them. If they have equipment with an image from "the end of January" and know it's still that poor when Rolf visits the first weekend in March....that's some baaaaaaaad security.

And why do they still have an image from "the end of January" available when a tip comes in at the end of February?

Even a casino is only required to keep security videos for 7 days there.

 

[RubyRed]

Maybe the tip came in earlier, but wasn't followed up on.

 

[rd_jfc]

I read today that some woman disappeared, they gave her belongings to her family, rented the room out again, and come to find out she was deceased the whole time under the mattress. Kind of creepy?

Do you guys remember the bus visual and SK being spotted in North LV or something? There are brand new Home Depots out there and a brand new Best Buy.

It was a nationwide chain motel, it was rented out five times again, and the body was found under the mattress two months after they stopped getting payments for the room and boxed up her stuff.

Yes, two months under the mattress in a major name motel.

Sorta makes you wonder what finally got their attention.

To stay on topic, is SK under a mattress in a motel somewhere? Well, it's been more than two months so here's guessing no. But seriously, as I've posted earlier in the thread, SK was way short on money as indicated by buying a big jar of peanut butter and a loaf of bread to tide him over in his room. (Been there, done that.)

He wouldn't be checking into motels. Of course any scenario that has him flush with newly secretly garnered cash makes anything possible.

rd

 

[CONCRNED CTZN]

It does ... but he should have known where he was, in that case

Whether it was Home Depot or Best Buy, they just convinced me never to buy a home security system from them. If they have equipment with an image from "the end of January" and know it's still that poor when Rolf visits the first weekend in March....that's some baaaaaaaad security.

And why do they still have an image from "the end of January" available when a tip comes in at the end of February?

Even a casino is only required to keep security videos for 7 days there.

I find myself questioning the dad...maybe he saw that it was Steven, but he was with someone that did not make sense.

I find myself questioning the ward members...was Steven really at the temple, or are they messing with the timeline on purpose. Why would they, the family, not have been told that? If the family never knew that...maybe the don't know if he went to other temples as I have asked.

AND as far as the video...storage is so much easier now. We have MONTHS on ours. We just put the video on external storage. Our neighbors looked at it recently to see if there were any coyotes in the neighborhood the night their cat went missing. Sure enough. And this was a month AFTER the cat went missing and the wife just needed to MOVE on, or drive her husband nuts. We gave him the external drive and he went over the video and watched the "dog" walk away with the little guy onto the golf course.

BUT...we have the cameras very close to the street. Th further away the image, the harder it is to make it out.

 

[Sin City]

Laytonian: Yesterday, 8:02pm #75
OK....the closest one to where the car was found is this one:
2200 E Serene Ave, Las Vegas, NV 89123

It's nine miles away, just off I-215.

The closest Best Buy is:
611 Marks St
Henderson, NV 89014

Those two places are ten miles apart. I can't find any Best Buy or Home Depots near each other.


Sin City
------Home Depot, 1030 Sunset Rd, Henderson (X Marks St)

Best Buy 611 Marks St, Henderson (X Sunset Rd)

These two businesses are across the street from each other, and the store fronts face each other across Marks St.

 

[dovebar]

More goings-on in suburbia in the news, illegal immigrants stuffed in nice suburban houses, being held hostage by the traffickers until they or their families paid even more than they agreed to pay to be moved into the country.

 

[SuziQ]

Someone in the neighborhood is either lying or they don't know SK was at their house. I think the connection is in the area of where the car was. He parked there and went to someone's house and left in their car. He went to see someone visiting the neighborhood, or he visited someone directly who lives there. Whatever it was they aren't talking.

ITA, I keep saying if I go to the bank I park by the bank, if I go to Walmart I park by Walmart, if I go visit a friend I park at or near the friends house. IMO, that neighborhood is the key.

 

[wannab1]

I think they showed him himself coming into the store so he could have an idea of how the quality of what he would be looking at...and he didn't even recognize himself. That makes the most sense.

I am still confused by this...did he view the video in the store or at LE offices? If he viewed it in the store (which I was assuming), why wouldn't he know what store he was in and where it was? I would think Mr. K would want to know where the sighting had been, maybe hang around, ask a few questions...didn't they hang around the IHOP for awhile?

 

[laytonian]

Sin City
------Home Depot, 1030 Sunset Rd, Henderson (X Marks St)

Best Buy 611 Marks St, Henderson (X Sunset Rd)

These two businesses are across the street from each other, and the store fronts face each other across Marks St.

Thank you for doing that! I admit I did a cursory map, and not knowing the area, got tired before I plotted all 25 or so addresses against each other.

Here's the MAP.

 

[laytonian]

How many houses are around the corner that Steven could have walked to?

The map's been on the timeline page for months. Take a look at that neighborhood: Overlook Village. Steven's car was parked at A.

Here's an alternate map that shows all the streets in that neighborhood. It's a big knot of streets with homes on both sides, close-together homes, one outlet -- and the only place in SCA you'll find a cul de sac that's barren of development.

Zoom in and out on the map, and notice the big thing about the neighborhood: there's only one way in/out: Laurel Heights Ave (shown as A on the map, with Steven's car at B.

From where the car was parked parked, he could have walked to any of about 200 homes....or straight up Evening Lights and through the golf cart path into the course itself.


According to the family, they (and LE, and missing persons searchers) knocked on many more doors, than just those on Evening Lights. I know it would be nice to see a list, or a map with Xs on the houses that were contacted...but I don't think it worked that way.

(I'd have given searchers a blow-up of the satellite map of one section of that neighborhood, with the homes numbered. I'd ask them to circle the homes where they talked to someone, take names, addresses and notes -- and return the sheets for compilation.) But that's just me, and I probably don't live in the real world.

 

[laytonian]

More goings-on in suburbia in the news, illegal immigrants stuffed in nice suburban houses, being held hostage by the traffickers until they or their families paid even more than they agreed to pay to be moved into the country.

Got a news report where that's occurred in SCA?

 

[laytonian]

I am still confused by this...did he view the video in the store or at LE offices? If he viewed it in the store (which I was assuming), why wouldn't he know what store he was in and where it was? I would think Mr. K would want to know where the sighting had been, maybe hang around, ask a few questions...didn't they hang around the IHOP for awhile?

If Mr K viewed the video in the store(s), I think it's likely that he was driven to those locations....and the address wasn't important at that time UNLESS he could identify Steven. Or maybe he's not as detail-oriented as we are.

I'd consider the address important, even IF I couldn't ID the figure; I wouldn't rule out a fuzzy figure as not being Steven. I'd just add it to my list of tips.

 

[carbuff]

ITA, I keep saying if I go to the bank I park by the bank, if I go to Walmart I park by Walmart, if I go visit a friend I park at or near the friends house. IMO, that neighborhood is the key.

I don't. I try to minimize driving. I park somewhere in the middle, where it's easy to get in and out, and I walk the rest of the way. Maybe the far end of the Target parking lot where I can also get to the credit union. If it's a house I've never been to before, I might well go through looking for the number, pull into the cul de sac to turn around, and decide to park there and walk back to the house.

 

[carbuff]

Got a news report where that's occurred in SCA?

I would think SCA would be a prime area for illegal immigrant situations of all kinds. Elder care and general household care are a prime area for illegal domestic help.

 

[laytonian]

I would think SCA would be a prime area for illegal immigrant situations of all kinds. Elder care and general household care are a prime area for illegal domestic help.

Sure, and if it were me, I'd let them live in the casita.

But that's a lot different than someone holding a whole bunch of people hostage in one of the empty homes surrounded by nosy elderly people

 

[laytonian]

I don't. I try to minimize driving. I park somewhere in the middle, where it's easy to get in and out, and I walk the rest of the way. Maybe the far end of the Target parking lot where I can also get to the credit union. If it's a house I've never been to before, I might well go through looking for the number, pull into the cul de sac to turn around, and decide to park there and walk back to the house.

I think the key to that parking location, is that whoever parked that car, knew it would be there for awhile...and would be safe/nonsuspicious.

 

[carbuff]

Sure, and if it were me, I'd let them live in the casita.

But that's a lot different than someone holding a whole bunch of people hostage in one of the empty homes surrounded by nosy elderly people

I was thinking of the cases where one domestic laborer is held more or less captive in the home where they work. We've had a couple of instances of that around here. Mostly Brazilians, many of them too young to work the jobs they're doing.

 

[laytonian]

I was thinking of the cases where one domestic laborer is held more or less captive in the home where they work. We've had a couple of instances of that around here. Mostly Brazilians, many of them too young to work the jobs they're doing.

Kinda Sante Kimes-like? That was pathological, because the money she saved by keeping housekeepers captive, was spent hundreds of times over in attorneys fees (bankrupting her rich husband).

But I'm trying to figure out how such a scenario would fit this case.

 

[carbuff]

Kinda Sante Kimes-like? That was pathological, because the money she saved by keeping housekeepers captive, was spent hundreds of times over in attorneys fees (bankrupting her rich husband).

But I'm trying to figure out how such a scenario would fit this case.

The one in the next town over from here was, apparently, just a double-income yuppie family who was too cheap to pay for a real housekeeper/nanny or something. They had a 14-year-old Brazilian girl who never left the house, was on call 24 hours a day for cleaning or whatever -- she nominally had her own room, which was what they showed the one time INS came to investigate -- but slept in a sleeping bag in the laundry room so she could get there quicker if they needed her. They told her they were sending her wages to her parents but really never paid a penny. They finally got caught when the fourth-grade daughter told her school principal.

Most of this is gossip from a friend whose granddaughter is in the same school...the only thing that ever made the paper is that they were fined $3000 for employing an illegal immigrant.

The only connection I can think of would be if the Brazilian connection caused Steven to be involved in trying to advocate on such a person's behalf, and the person running the illegal operation took exception to it.

 

[Lato]

I think about what would be the behavioral changes of the individual(s) involved with Steven. If something happened in one of the SCA houses, would you expect the person to leave?
If he/she were a renter, the leaving would be easier - so I have been watching the map on our timeline. The only new rental is on Savannah Springs - and that does not feel right.
The other properties are the same...foreclosures....including the one that the realtor pulled his/her car in front of while Steven was walking.
Going back to living in an HOA community in Florida, I knew almost nothing of what went on in the neighborhood - and the houses were about 10 -14 feet apart - and the reason was that the builders have one window on one side of the house and no windows on the other side.
The windows were placed on the back of the house....actually almost across the back of the house with one or two windows in the front (in bedrooms). The houses all looked different, but all were planned with pools or lanai's across the back....surrounded with plantings.
I would never have seen anyone walking along the street unless I happened to leave at the very same time.
If Mr. Security shared many tapes with the family, how do you suppose any other car would not have been noticed on his tapes. And, if Steven were leaving in a car, wouldn't the car show Steven in the passenger seat?