NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - # 8

[hollyblue]

While looking at what else was happening in Vegas just before and after Steven's disappearance, I noticed Metallica played Vegas on Dec. 5, then went to Sacramento on Dec. 8. They finished their U.S. tour dates on Dec. 12.

In Virginia, a few months earlier, a young woman disappeared at a Metallica concert. Her body was later found in a field brutally tortured, with multiple bones broken.

What if there is a serial killer or killers, spree killers, following this band and preying on vulnerable people in the area? Suppose the killers are based elsewhere, like VA, but follow the band, or decided to follow it to Vegas for the holiday break?

Look at this link, scroll through the other cases of missing people, and notice a missing young man who seems to have been enticed by two men dressed as soldiers (who apparently never came forward). And someone talking to the driver of a white car. Suppose a car was cruising, looking for a victim, and called Steven over to ask directions. A car with two people could easily manage to push someone into a van or car while the other person drove.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90862&page=14

I think this is worth thinking about Dovebar. Although, I don't know if Steven was into groups like Metallica, he was interested in music; and if he had a possibility of being a roadie for them to help set up and take down--he might just do it. The mention of Sacramento and the dates do raise----hmmmm's.

OT--I see some people think Morgan was thrown from a plane....I think some one ran her down..as she was trying to get away. Later posing as a hunter, went to that location and dumped her..as said by another poster. There is some monster on loose who did this to her.

 

[carbuff]

I'd take the Metallica connection more seriously if they had played Vegas the night before Steven disappeared, instead of a week before.

 

[webrocket]

I've been fairly quiet on this thread of late as there has been no new facts appearing.

As for the neighbor who is supposedly a RSO, I don't see that as having any bearing on anything. First of all, a 30 y.o. guy is not usually sex offender material. Also, the video in Henderson is AFTER the point in time that the neighbor supposedly saw Steven come and go quickly. So I don't even get a whiff of suspicion with that neighbor.

Also there is the Metallica stuff. Steven was piss poor and I hardly see him being that much of a fanatic to not pay rent so he could buy concert tickets.

Now we have someone saying that it was a well circulated rumor that Steven was gay. Besides the fact I suspected that from day 1 (and I could be wrong nonetheless), I think it is tragic that his ward cronies would clam up and not offer up any information on his comings and goings.

Now being gay is not a crime and I'm not sure what LE would do with that knowledge, if it was absolute truth. But it would not surprise me if Steven felt he was better off dead in the eyes of his family than to be known to be living an openly gay life. Hence he opted to check out of the LDS life and took up shelter with some guy, who does NOT reside in SCA. The pick up was by someone familiar with SCA (and perhaps 55 and older himself and knows the development) but still a non-resident.

I wish I had an electronic trail of his internet usage. We have only been told that there was nothing that would explain why he was in Henderson that day. That tells me nothing as it does not reveal what websites he had been to in the many months before he disappeared. No one is sharing that information so my take on that is that the family would be embarassed by people knowing what he was up to.

If I were to disappear, I would certainly take my laptop with me. The laptop was probably left behind as to add more mystery. I am sure he used a computer and a phone to get to Henderson. So the only conclusion I can draw is that all his internet usage pertaining to his planned exit were not on that laptop and were from public computers and that he was using a separate prepaid cell phone to communicate with his intended pick up.

Lastly, as sure as I am sitting here typing this, there is information on that laptop that an inquiring mind would find most useful in answering the many questions surrounding this matter. Perhaps those with access to it just don't want to inquire as to what those things were and I don't mean anything criminal.

 

[Canyon1]

I have no idea whether Steven was/is gay or not. I just have a hard time thinking that if he is and decided to live an openly gay lifestyle that he'd completely disappear from his family members' lives--not even a note, phone call, email, nothing. I'm LDS and personally know several people who were raised in very staunch LDS homes who began practicing openly gay lifestyles. In most cases it came as a complete shock to the families, but after they proverbially picked their jaws up off the floor, they kept loving that family member as they had before. There was no ostracizing or shunning even though I'm sure it was a surprise.

Don't get me wrong; I know there are cases when a family member makes a lifestyle choice that the family doesn't approve of, and they go so far as to disown them. Heck, "joinin' up with those Mormons" has gotten a couple people that I know booted out of their families. It happens, I realize.

Steven loves his family; they are close-knit. I strongly believe that no matter what choices he had made, Steven would contact them in some way providing he is alive, able-bodied and in possession of his faculties. Unless maybe he felt that doing so would bring some kind of danger to them.

See, this is my problem. My opinion on what most likely happened to him has changed three times just in the writing of this post. We need something new. Someone throw us a bone.

 

[RubyRed]

I have no idea whether Steven was/is gay or not. I just have a hard time thinking that if he is and decided to live an openly gay lifestyle that he'd completely disappear from his family members' lives--not even a note, phone call, email, nothing. I'm LDS and personally know several people who were raised in very staunch LDS homes who began practicing openly gay lifestyles. In most cases it came as a complete shock to the families, but after they proverbially picked their jaws up off the floor, they kept loving that family member as they had before. There was no ostracizing or shunning even though I'm sure it was a surprise.

Don't get me wrong; I know there are cases when a family member makes a lifestyle choice that the family doesn't approve of, and they go so far as to disown them. Heck, "joinin' up with those Mormons" has gotten a couple people that I know booted out of their families. It happens, I realize.

Steven loves his family; they are close-knit. I strongly believe that no matter what choices he had made, Steven would contact them in some way providing he is alive, able-bodied and in possession of his faculties. Unless maybe he felt that doing so would bring some kind of danger to them.

See, this is my problem. My opinion on what most likely happened to him has changed three times just in the writing of this post. We need something new. Someone throw us a bone.

bbm

I know exactly what you mean.

 

[laytonian]

Steven loves his family; they are close-knit. I strongly believe that no matter what choices he had made, Steven would contact them in some way providing he is alive, able-bodied and in possession of his faculties. Unless maybe he felt that doing so would bring some kind of danger to them.

See, this is my problem. My opinion on what most likely happened to him has changed three times just in the writing of this post. We need something new. Someone throw us a bone.

Well said (so I snipped some - ha).

I just don't see this as a lifestyle disappearance. He was already away from the family, and could have conducted pretty much any lifestyle he wished to, in St George. He can't escape the LDS faith completely.

What I do see, is a young man who wanted to be independent, and probably thought he'd failed. He passed up some good jobs or didn't stick with them, and ended up in one of the most menial jobs imaginable: washing windows and passing out flyers. That had to be a hit to his self-worth.

More and more, I'm just sad about Steven.

 

[sbakker]

I am sorry I have to disagree with Webrocket about the neighbor DS not having any bearing on anything.DS is a registered level 1 sex offender (rape of a child 1992). We do not know if that child was a male or female. We do not know if the child was 8 years old or 17 years old. As we have learned about Steven, some of the descriptions were he was naieve, he seemed younger than what he was, etc.

Also, there is a possibility that DS family owns property in Overton, Mesquite, and near Sun Anthem. Someone has done research on this, and it has been reported to the St. George police.

To me, this is information for inquiring minds. Who knows if this neighbor befriended Steven, and knew Steven was lonely? To me, this is something new.

 

[dovebar]

I think this is worth thinking about Dovebar. Although, I don't know if Steven was into groups like Metallica, he was interested in music; and if he had a possibility of being a roadie for them to help set up and take down--he might just do it. The mention of Sacramento and the dates do raise----hmmmm's.

OT--I see some people think Morgan was thrown from a plane....I think some one ran her down..as she was trying to get away. Later posing as a hunter, went to that location and dumped her..as said by another poster. There is some monster on loose who did this to her.

As a clarification, I never suggested that Steven went to the concert. I was suggesting that certain bands are more known than others to have fans who follow them, and fans with certain interests. Some of these have families with money, or are involved in illegal trafficking of various kinds so they can travel wherever the band does and not need to be back for a job.

I've thought all along that Steven ran into someone who was bad news, whether that was a former neighbor or a thrill killer who happened to be in town for a concert and lingered in town, or came back after the tour was over to spend the holidays in Vegas.

In reading some other threads on this board, I am struck by how often the person who disappeared was described as trusting, naive, or even someone with Asperger's. There are crummy people out there looking for marks, just as there are people cruising for children.

 

[sbakker]

Isn't this information about the neighbor "throwing a bone"? (post # 346)

 

[RubyRed]

Isn't this information about the neighbor "throwing a bone"? (post # 346)

Yes, it is. We needed that. Thanks sbakker. So they have several homes, and one near SCA.

 

[sbakker]

i do not know if there are homes in these area, maybe some of it is just property. But it was looked up, and DS family name is on it. It was reported to the police.

This case is reminding me of the game "Clue". So many possibilities.

 

[RubyRed]

I am glad it was given to LE. You just never know what tip might solve this case.

 

[carbuff]

The trouble with trying to sleuth anything in Utah is that whatever name you're looking for, you come up with a kajillion people with the same name, who might or might not be related.

 

[Canyon1]

Well said (so I snipped some - ha).

I just don't see this as a lifestyle disappearance. He was already away from the family, and could have conducted pretty much any lifestyle he wished to, in St George. He can't escape the LDS faith completely.

What I do see, is a young man who wanted to be independent, and probably thought he'd failed. He passed up some good jobs or didn't stick with them, and ended up in one of the most menial jobs imaginable: washing windows and passing out flyers. That had to be a hit to his self-worth.

More and more, I'm just sad about Steven.

I agree. There was a lot to make him question his self worth--the job issue, and with that the lack of money, his dating situation, being in a place where it seems that he may have had superficial friends, but no close buddies. Couple that with the Christmas season and the accompanying dark and stormy winter that Southern Utah got slammed with, and I think there's ample reason to think he may have been feeling quite depressed. A person's deepest desire is not only to be loved, but to feel like they contribute, like they "belong."

Here's my latest scenario: Steven attended the temple on the 9th. There is plenty of time for reflection, prayer, introspection, meditation etc. in the temple, and after you leave, you tend to be in a contemplative mood. Right after that is when Steven started traveling. I think he was praying,maybe fasting, looking for answers and hope that things were going to be OK.

I believe that he went to Ruby Valley and didn't find AN at home, so he just started driving--looking for an exit, a turn, that just "felt right." And he ended up in SCA randomly, drove down the road and ended up at the cul-de-sac--another dead end. He started walking and walking, trying to clear his head, figure things out. He eventually either just walked until he was in the foothills or went there on purpose. Sometimes I hike or go to a quiet, outdoor place to clear my mind.

After that, one of two things happened. 1. He got hurt--twisted an ankle, had a fall, hit his head, spent the night and eventually succumbed to his injuries or to the elements. 2. Sat there becoming more and more despondent and hopeless and took his own life in a moment of despair. Man, I hate writing that. I really, really hate that, by process of elimination, that's the only thing that makes sense.

I don't think that there's anything to be found on his hard drive. I don't think he was living a mysterious double life. I don't think he was the victim of a weird, random crime. He does not sound like a conniving, secretive person. Just a lonely one.

 

[gypsyblue]

with all due respect, I do not see someone driving to sca to commit suicide in a populated neighborhood outside of their car. I am curious about his computer and possible craigslist ads that he may have shown interest in or something to that effect....jmo

 

[RubyRed]

The theory of Steven being hurt is a good one except he called voicemail the next day. So he would have been able to call for help, as his cell had a signal and was working.

 

[webrocket]

I have no idea whether Steven was/is gay or not. I just have a hard time thinking that if he is and decided to live an openly gay lifestyle that he'd completely disappear from his family members' lives--not even a note, phone call, email, nothing. I'm LDS and personally know several people who were raised in very staunch LDS homes who began practicing openly gay lifestyles. In most cases it came as a complete shock to the families, but after they proverbially picked their jaws up off the floor, they kept loving that family member as they had before. There was no ostracizing or shunning even though I'm sure it was a surprise.

Don't get me wrong; I know there are cases when a family member makes a lifestyle choice that the family doesn't approve of, and they go so far as to disown them. Heck, "joinin' up with those Mormons" has gotten a couple people that I know booted out of their families. It happens, I realize.

Steven loves his family; they are close-knit. I strongly believe that no matter what choices he had made, Steven would contact them in some way providing he is alive, able-bodied and in possession of his faculties. Unless maybe he felt that doing so would bring some kind of danger to them.

See, this is my problem. My opinion on what most likely happened to him has changed three times just in the writing of this post. We need something new. Someone throw us a bone.

Yes, but that involves people who were comfortable enough being gay and facing family.

Steven apparently had a reputation for being somewhat of a zealot in his faith. So you have him doing an about face if he was publicly known as being gay.

 

[sbakker]

The theory of Steven being hurt is a good one except he called voicemail the next day. So he would have been able to call for help, as his cell had a signal and was working.

Steven may have called his phone, but someone else could have called it the next day. I have been in touch with a few friends of his. They did not see depression. I know that does not mean much.

When talking to Steven's parents last summer, and them telling me Steven moved to St. George, he was at that time looking for work, but was working. I took down their number. When you are single, you can move around like that, and look for opportunities.

As of him driving around, I have done that too. I would get in the car and crank the music up. Sometimes when I was bored-just for something to do. Now,being older when i am bored, I call people,get on the internet, or shop. we all have our things we like to do

Steven did not seem to have a lot of close friends, a lot of money, alot of responsibilities(meaning a wife, kids, girlfriends, etc) i think when he ventured out, sometimes there were opportunities to visit old friends. Don't we all do that?

 

[Canyon1]

The theory of Steven being hurt is a good one except he called voicemail the next day. So he would have been able to call for help, as his cell had a signal and was working.

Yes he did. It's possible that he fell and hit his head, or was knocked unconscious for a time and was unable to use his phone. When he did, maybe he was semi-conscious and was only able to push the speed dial for voice mail. Or maybe he dropped his phone unknowingly and when it dropped, it hit a button and called voice mail. Depending on when he called the day after he's seen leaving his car, his battery may have been almost dead too.

 

[sbakker]

Yes he did. It's possible that he fell and hit his head, or was knocked unconscious for a time and was unable to use his phone. When he did, maybe he was semi-conscious and was only able to push the speed dial for voice mail. Or maybe he dropped his phone unknowingly and when it dropped, it hit a button and called voice mail. Depending on when he called the day after he's seen leaving his car, his battery may have been almost dead too.

Maybe someone else used his phone. It wasen't necessarily him.