NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - # 8

[RubyRed]

Maybe someone else used his phone. It wasen't necessarily him.

That is possible. In the Amber Dubois case, it seems someone tried the wrong password, to the voicemail, the day after she went missing.


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[laytonian]

The theory of Steven being hurt is a good one except he called voicemail the next day. So he would have been able to call for help, as his cell had a signal and was working.

Unless that was just the last bit of battery left.

We don't know the last time he'd charged that phone.

If you look at Dec 12th, he was (evidently) zipping all over the place, and was home from about 10-10:30 pm. Unless he returned later and charged the phone, it probably didn't have much power left by "early morning on Dec 14th".

Plus, the phone would have been roaming, which takes more power.

Maybe he (or someone else) had been checking it frequently, and when nothing worked, put it down...then the battery "settled" and allowed that one last call?

 

[Canyon1]

Steven may have called his phone, but someone else could have called it the next day. I have been in touch with a few friends of his. They did not see depression. I know that does not mean much.

When talking to Steven's parents last summer, and them telling me Steven moved to St. George, he was at that time looking for work, but was working. I took down their number. When you are single, you can move around like that, and look for opportunities.

As of him driving around, I have done that too. I would get in the car and crank the music up. Sometimes when I was bored-just for something to do. Now,being older when i am bored, I call people,get on the internet, or shop. we all have our things we like to do

Steven did not seem to have a lot of close friends, a lot of money, alot of responsibilities(meaning a wife, kids, girlfriends, etc) i think when he ventured out, sometimes there were opportunities to visit old friends. Don't we all do that?

It's possible that he WASN'T depressed. I hope he wasn't. I know there are times when I have been really down and struggling, and I put on a happy face for people whom I came in contact with, and I even felt better when I was with them. Then when I was by myself, I was really depressed again. Friends--even close ones--don't always see everything.

Heck, I still like to wander around, poke around in new places, just drive for the sake of driving. You're right; it could be strictly that Steven was killing time, driving, seeing the sights for the enjoyment of it.

 

[Fairy1]

Unless that was just the last bit of battery left.

We don't know the last time he'd charged that phone.

If you look at Dec 12th, he was (evidently) zipping all over the place, and was home from about 10-10:30 pm. Unless he returned later and charged the phone, it probably didn't have much power left by "early morning on Dec 14th".

Plus, the phone would have been roaming, which takes more power.

Maybe he (or someone else) had been checking it frequently, and when nothing worked, put it down...then the battery "settled" and allowed that one last call?

Quite likely, IMO. Has it ever been determined if there WAS a voice mail message on his phone? If it was Steven checking, it seems to me he may have been waiting to hear from someone in particular. Not GW or SA.

 

[laytonian]

Quite likely, IMO. Has it ever been determined if there WAS a voice mail message on his phone? If it was Steven checking, it seems to me he may have been waiting to hear from someone in particular. Not GW or SA.

Makes sense. But why not GW or SA. Maybe he was waiting for AN to call him, after having visited her parents? Or someone else he'd recently talked to?

OR...there's always the fall-back: someone found the phone, and checked voicemail to see if the owner had called, looking for the phone.

 

[sbakker]

Like many of you, my thoughts on this case change alot. Every scenario is important. I think DS (the level 1 sex offender) should be looked at carefully.

This person is about Steven's dads age. I am sure Steven was friendly with man and very respectful to him. Since DS's family supposedly has property in Mesquite, Overton, and Sun A. maybe he asked Steven to help do some work on the properties, invited him dinner, etc. Just throwing out some new ideas.

 

[sbakker]

My opinion:"once a predator, always a predator".

 

[laytonian]

Like many of you, my thoughts on this case change alot. Every scenario is important. I think DS (the level 1 sex offender) should be looked at carefully.

This person is about Steven's dads age. I am sure Steven was friendly with man and very respectful to him. Since DS's family supposedly has property in Mesquite, Overton, and Sun A. maybe he asked Steven to help do some work on the properties, invited him dinner, etc. Just throwing out some new ideas.

This would be the man at 1737 E on Steven's street. Right?
You can query here:
http://www.homefacts.com/offenders/Utah/Washington-County/SAINT-GEORGE.html

I'm not finding anyone with that S name in SCA. There's a Stuart S in Henderson but can't come up with the info.

BING BING BING
I do find someone else: an S address in Logandale, which is just outside Overton.

 

[Fairy1]

Makes sense. But why not GW or SA. Maybe he was waiting for AN to call him, after having visited her parents? Or someone else he'd recently talked to?

OR...there's always the fall-back: someone found the phone, and checked voicemail to see if the owner had called, looking for the phone.

Come to think of it, it could have been GW. Or yes, someone else he had recently spoken to.

It's hard for me to get on board with the idea that whoever found the phone called VM to see if the owner had called - only because my VM has a passcode and for that reason, I don't think it would ever occur to me to try that if I found someone else's phone! I would probably look at the contacts first and call one of those people to say - "Hey I just found this phone, do you know who it belongs to and how I can return it to them?" Or I would redial the last number called.

It's just my own personal perspective. But I can see how someone with a different personal perspective would go a different route!

 

[sbakker]

This would be the man at 1737 E on Steven's street. Right?
You can query here:
http://www.homefacts.com/offenders/Utah/Washington-County/SAINT-GEORGE.html

But I'm not finding anyone with that S name in SCA. Drat.

The person who looked up the properties, said there was property owned down there. I do not know if it was a home or just property.

 

[carbuff]

My opinion:"once a predator, always a predator".

True. But guys who are into teenager boys are seldom interested in grown men. It happens, but I think it's quite unlikely in this case. Steven might have been considered a bit young for his age, but he's not childish.

 

[Fairy1]

True. But guys who are into teenager boys are seldom interested in grown men. It happens, but I think it's quite unlikely in this case. Steven might have been considered a bit young for his age, but he's not childish.

I agree. I doubt there's any connection to Steven, but it won't hurt anything to check it out. If nothing else, it'll let the RSO dirtbag know people are watching him!

 

[sbakker]

I agree. I doubt there's any connection to Steven, but it won't hurt anything to check it out. If nothing else, it'll let the RSO dirtbag know people are watching him!

There you go, let people know they are watching! Thank goodness the public can look at these list! I have grandchildren two blocks away from there.

There are really sick people out there, and Steven seemed younger, is what people have said, Anything is a possibility.

 

[laytonian]

Come to think of it, it could have been GW. Or yes, someone else he had recently spoken to.

It's hard for me to get on board with the idea that whoever found the phone called VM to see if the owner had called - only because my VM has a passcode and for that reason, I don't think it would ever occur to me to try that if I found someone else's phone!

But not everyone's phone has a passcode for the VM. None of ours (four in the family) do.

I would probably look at the contacts first and call one of those people to say - "Hey I just found this phone, do you know who it belongs to and how I can return it to them?" Or I would redial the last number called.

It's just my own personal perspective. But I can see how someone with a different personal perspective would go a different route!

Let's hope that if someone finds anyone else's phone, they try both

 

[laytonian]

The person who looked up the properties, said there was property owned down there. I do not know if it was a home or just property.

Well...I'm definitely taking your word for it! I'll go with the person who looked it up.

 

[Fairy1]

But not everyone's phone has a passcode for the VM. None of ours (four in the family) do.


Let's hope that if someone finds anyone else's phone, they try both

I sure would hope so, but I don't have that much faith in people these days...

 

[RubyRed]

Any word yet if he attended the bishops dinner?

 

[Fairy1]

Any word yet if he attended the bishops dinner?

I can't understand what's taking so long to confirm this one detail. For crying out loud - are the events in the lives of these folks so unmemorable that they can't recall them?

Sheesh.

 

[RubyRed]

I can't understand what's taking so long to confirm this one detail. For crying out loud - are the events in the lives of these folks so unmemorable that they can't recall them?

Sheesh.

I said awhile ago it is like pulling teeth. They can't or don't want to answer.

 

[laytonian]

I can't understand what's taking so long to confirm this one detail. For crying out loud - are the events in the lives of these folks so unmemorable that they can't recall them?

Sheesh.

Apparently, the date and location reported to us was just a bit "off". It wouldn't be the first time that someone lost a bit of a detail to memory

It turns out that the dinner was at PD's home (he's in the bishopric, but isn't the bishop) ... and is most likely the Christmas dinner we already knew about, Dec 7th .

I just checked through the pictures of that dinner, and I see that Ms MD (daughter of another ward's Bishop D) attended that party.

I modified my request on the BH7th YSA FB page, to see if anything turns up. Until then, I think we can just file it in "better to get something worth checking, than nothing at all".