NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - # 9

[RubyRed]

Okay, if there was a tipster, wouldn't he or she been brought in for questioning? Maybe it was a psychic they hired. If there was a tip, that person would have to had something to do with it. Or the person that did something to sk would have told the tipster about it. What are your thoughts on this?

My thoughts are:

1) a psychic can google anything to do with a missing person, so I do not have faith in them.

2) the tipster had something to do with it, however I doubt they would call it in.

3) the tipster heard something from someone else and reported it.

4) Someone found an item belonging to Steven in that area.

5) The PI heard something from talking to people on the streets.

6) Information was found in Steven's belongings. The comp, cell pings, diary.

7) Someone in SCA remembered something that did not seem important but was.

8) Steven told something to someone in a confidentiality position. Dr., Psychologist and they have come forward.

 

[laytonian]

Okay, if there was a tipster, wouldn't he or she been brought in for questioning? Maybe it was a psychic they hired. If there was a tip, that person would have to had something to do with it. Or the person that did something to sk would have told the tipster about it. What are your thoughts on this?

If I told you what I thought about psychics and similar things, I'd probably never be seen on WS again

 

[Mia]

I just heard the news about the tip, and am hoping something comes to fruition tomorrow. I do wonder who the tipster is though. Apparently it is someone close to and trusted by the PI - so does this mean it is a friend of Steven's and/or the Koechers, or is this someone completely unknown to the Koechers but instead merely a friend or colleague of the PI? Hope that made sense.

Also, I've read on many of these posts that the designated search area is the Executive Airport itself, but then in one of the above articles linked the reporter states it as the area SOUTH of the airport. Which is correct?

Anyone handy with google maps want to post an aerial view of the supposed search area? I'd be curious to see what it looks like exactly, and just how 'wild' the terrain is.

Thinking of Steven tonight.

 

[laytonian]

My thoughts are:

1) a psychic can google anything to do with a missing person, so I do not have faith in them.

Thank you. Remember "the number 3, airplanes and a fence" type of thing is designed so later the psychic can say "I was right", yet it can apply to nearly every spot on earth.

2) the tipster had something to do with it, however I doubt they would call it in.

3) the tipster heard something from someone else and reported it.

4) Someone found an item belonging to Steven in that area.

5) The PI heard something from talking to people on the streets.

6) Information was found in Steven's belongings. The comp, cell pings, diary.

7) Someone in SCA remembered something that did not seem important but was.

8. The tipster is the relative of someone who's suspected by the PI.

9. The tipster is LE, passing on a CrimeStoppers anonymous tip. LE doesn't believe there's a crime, so they're not going to search. They'll leave it up to the family.

As you said, they're d*mned if they do and d*mned if they don't.

 

[sbakker]

Thanks for the thoughts by everyone. But if there was a tipster, he or she had info, wouldn't they be taken in for questioning? Or the tipster would have to give info who did it. Wouldn't they question that person?

 

[laytonian]

I just heard the news about the tip, and am hoping something comes to fruition tomorrow. I do wonder who the tipster is though. Apparently it is someone close to and trusted by the PI - so does this mean it is a friend of Steven's and/or the Koechers, or is this someone completely unknown to the Koechers but instead merely a friend or colleague of the PI? Hope that made sense.

Also, I've read on many of these posts that the designated search area is the Executive Airport itself, but then in one of the above articles linked the reporter states it as the area SOUTH of the airport. Which is correct?

Anyone handy with google maps want to post an aerial view of the supposed search area? I'd be curious to see what it looks like exactly, and just how 'wild' the terrain is.

Thinking of Steven tonight.

The search area is south of the airport; there's a small map on the St George newspaper link I posted earlier -- which you've probably found by now.

The area being searched, looks to be on the west side of the hills that border SCA (with hills in between SCA and airport).

Here's a TERRAIN MAP.

A is where the car was found, and you can see Volunteer Boulevard. From what I understand, the search will be in the hills south of Volunteer, which is the area that I (and others) have speculated Steven could have walked to.

 

[laytonian]

Thanks for the thoughts by everyone. But if there was a tipster, he or she had info, wouldn't they be taken in for questioning? Or the tipster would have to give info who did it. Wouldn't they question that person?

Maybe "they" did.

If you had a tip that implicated someone else, would you want your name splashed all over the newspapers and the internet? I wouldn't.

 

[RubyRed]

A tip could have been done anonymously.

 

[sbakker]

Maybe "they" did.

If you had a tip that implicated someone else, would you want your name splashed all over the newspapers and the internet? I wouldn't.

I understand what you are saying, but it just seems like if there was a tip, that someone did something to Steven, the person would have been questioned, and we would know about it. Especially if they think he may be out there somewhere. I would think you would hear in the news someone was brought in for questioning.

 

[sbakker]

It tip could have been done anonymously.

If it was done anonymously, how could the PI say the person was a reliable source? Didn't he say that?

 

[RubyRed]

If it was done anonymously, how could the PI say the person was a reliable source? Didn't he say that?

That is true, hopefully we will eventually find out, what led them to that area to search. There is a whole lot of possibilities, and a lot of questions.

 

[Fairy1]

I have some concerns about the tip also, but I figure it must be credible or the search wouldn't be happening.

I will be there tomorrow and, though I've always hoped Steven was still among the living, I hope answers will be found on the search.

 

[laytonian]

If it was done anonymously, how could the PI say the person was a reliable source? Didn't he say that?

The PI knows the identity of the tipster, who wishes to remain anonymous for obvious reasons.

Here's a new version of today's news (I tell ya, the best coverage is amazingly coming out of St George, where the media has previously ignored this story: St George Spectrum.

Quote from that story:
"Rolf Koecher said the Nevada private investigator, Craigh Retke, called the family and said he wanted to help. After the Nevada detective assigned to the case recommended Retke as a reliable former policeman, Koecher agreed.
Koecher said Retke feels strongly about the reliability of the tip.
"He's already gone out four or five hours on an ATV, Easter Sunday, on his own, but he feels it's too big an area," said Koecher, who lives in Bountiful. "We'll be down there (tomorrow). We're trying not to overlook any possible leads. We don't know what we're going to encounter."

 

[hollyblue]

If it was done anonymously, how could the PI say the person was a reliable source? Didn't he say that?

The person wants to remain anonymous....not the tip.
That person may have just found something or heard of something that may be relevant. Not necessarily that "something was done to Steven". Maybe they were questioned by the PI, but the PI and LE have to tell us nothing of the investigation. Just because a person may have a "tip" doesn't mean they are involved with the crime itself.

 

[sbakker]

Thanks Laytonian,that makes alot of sense. It takes me a while, but eventually, I get it.(ha!ha!)

 

[Mia]

This may sound strange, but I'll be even more upset if it's discovered, due to the search tomorrow or at another point in the future, that Steven committed suicide than if he met with foul play. If he did decide to end his life, that video, which I do think is Steven, of him walking toward...well, I guess his self-inflicted death, is just haunting. I will never understand how a healthy, capable person like Steven could fall into a place so dark and hopeless that they can see no light at all at the end of the tunnel. I can kind of understand if someone were in extreme physical pain day in and day out with no relief, he or she wanting to be out of that pain and be 'at peace', but I just can't imagine the kind of emotional turmoil that would be necessary to get one there. Ok, this is getting O/T and we don't know if Steven is even by the airport, much less if he committed suicide, but the reality of this new 'tip' is starting to settle in for me...I really held out hope Steven was alive and just ran off to start a new life due to isolation and frustration with his current circumstances. And maybe he did, like I said, we don't know yet.

Good luck to all the searchers going out there tomorrow, including fasteddy and fairy. Be safe, and thank you for all that you do here.

 

[hollyblue]

If I told you what I thought about psychics and similar things, I'd probably never be seen on WS again

I'll probably get slammed for this, but I do believe there are a few (note--very few) people who are "gifted" with abilities that cannot be explained.

 

[RubyRed]

a St. George man missing for the past five months.

Investigators have found that the day Steven disappeared, use of his cell phone, e-mail and a debit card stopped.

I have missed a month of my life if Steven has been missing for 5 months. At least they could get the facts right.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14851880

 

[hollyblue]

This may sound strange, but I'll be even more upset if it's discovered, due to the search tomorrow or at another point in the future, that Steven committed suicide than if he met with foul play. If he did decide to end his life, that video, which I do think is Steven, of him walking toward...well, I guess his self-inflicted death, is just haunting. I will never understand how a healthy, capable person like Steven could fall into a place so dark and hopeless that they can see no light at all at the end of the tunnel. I can kind of understand if someone were in extreme physical pain day in and day out with no relief, he or she wanting to be out of that pain and be 'at peace', but I just can't imagine the kind of emotional turmoil that would be necessary to get one there. Ok, this is getting O/T and we don't know if Steven is even by the airport, much less if he committed suicide, but the reality of this new 'tip' is starting to settle in for me...I really held out hope Steven was alive and just ran off to start a new life due to isolation and frustration with his current circumstances. And maybe he did, like I said, we don't know yet.

Good luck to all the searchers going out there tomorrow, including fasteddy and fairy. Be safe, and thank you for all that you do here.

Nice post Mia. You have expressed my feelings of "being upset" if he did feel he had no other choices. The sadness of this set in thinking of the upcoming search. I too still hope he is among us.

 

[hollyblue]

I have missed a month of my life if Steven has been missing for 5 months. At least they could get the facts right.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14851880

You and me both. This is not the same reporter that has normally written about Steven for the Trib, but he should have done his homework.

I thought this from a past article was interesting....Did we just miss it or is this just another factoid of misinformation?

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_14484103?IADID=Search-www.sltrib.com-www.sltrib.com

The last contact reported was by friends who said he had told them Dec. 12 he planned to be in the Las Vegas area, but he did not say why.