GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #1

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  • #201
Aug 23, 2015 via fb (the son)
"now i know why i don't go down to Fremont. If Michelle would have stopped the car, I would have ****ing beat the brakes off this dude. He tried to walk in front of michelle's car, while we were trying to turn! The cross walk hand was red! There wasn't a little white dude on the thing. So he decided to get crazy and flip us off.... I flipped him off as well! Then he called her a *****....... So i rolled down the window and told him i was going to **** him up. So as soon as i took off the seat belt, and unlocked the door, Michelle booked it... I ****ing hate people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
https://www.facebook.com/brandon.meyers.583?fref=pb&hc_location=friends_tab&pnref=friends.all
 
  • #202
Has there been a funeral yet? I could not find any report about it. Her husband is posting on his FB about the Constitution and Traditional Marriage and his is mad at Fox News now because he did not like what Shepard Smith had to say about the case. Trying to find out what Shepard said about it.

He seems....real...broken up about his dead wife. Are these people really this....?
 
  • #203
I don't want to appear to be blaming the victim. But I have to say that leaving her house with her son and his loaded weapon was a big mistake on her part. And it takes her out of the total victim lane and veers closer to the aggressor lane, imo.
 
  • #204
She was standing behind the son. Suspect could have been shooting at the son, and missed.

IANAL, but since she was not the "shooter" then self-defense doesn't come into play. As in the Michael Dunn case, the first jury (while hung on the murder of JD) had no problem finding him guilty of attempted murder for shooting at the three other teens even though he was supposedly shooting at JD. Self-defense and shooting wild are not compatible. Of course, all this hinges on who shot first, of which no evidence has yet been divulged.
 
  • #205
I can't stand FOX, but Shep says it like it is, period. Shep's like a kid in a candy store during a car chase, :shame: lol. Gee maybe Shep spoke to much to the truth?

I despise Fox but I loved to watch Shep give a play-by-play on all those car chases!
 
  • #206
Her son had a gun. The two of them together went to look for the person in a grey sedan, from what is being reported now.

While the decision to go back and look for the vehicle was a very unwise decision on their part it doesn't make either the son nor the mom culpable in what happened imo. They may have gone back to look for the vehicle thinking they could get the tag number before calling police. It is rather odd that they found it in the area close to their home. It makes me wonder if the suspect lives in that general area. Or was the suspect sitting idle watching which way the mom and daughter went home?

It is obvious when they saw the vehicle and the people in question the mom and son did not confront them then even with the son having a firearm with him. Once they found the vehicle they headed back to their own property and driveway. So they did not cause this to elevate into what happened next imo.

Once the driver in the other car pursued them all the way to their home he became the aggressor and certainly was when he got out of the car and started firing leaving the mother dead in her own driveway.

The son only fired his weapon at the time when he was back on his own property when shots were being fired by the suspect they are looking for now.

I don't fault the son for having his legally owned firearm with him that late at night. If he had had no weapon when the other man(men) started firing he too could have been killed along with his mom. I hope he did do some damage to the car where if it is found it would still have the identifying fresh bullet holes or hole or a shattered window. He also may have been able to hit one of the three that was in the vehicle. Wherever the suspects are holed up now and hiding out they may have someone trying to tend to a wound if they sustained one, which I hope that is the case. It may though begin to cause serious infection to sit in where they would need to seek medical help. Oddly as it sounds a perp will go to the hospital when the wounds were done during a criminal act. They will try to lie of course and say it was an accident of some sort but still the police is notified.

The person who murdered this mom cannot claim self defense. The minute they left and returned to their home was the cooling off period and it was the suspect in the other vehicle who pursued the family and came to their home. With the mom and son leaving once spotting the vehicle and headed home the occupants had to know the mom and son weren't going to confront them or they wouldn't have left.

So by following them home this definitely could be a first degree premeditation case. And we all know it doesn't take but a few seconds or a minute to form an intent to kill.

I have a feeling the suspect has a criminal record ..probably all three do and he felt if they did get his tag number and called LE he would be in a whole lot of trouble. He may even be an ex-felon or gang member who isn't even suppose to legally own a gun much less be in the possession of one.

Its a tragedy no matter how it happened or the mistakes made by this mom. She certainly didn't deserve to be mowed down right on her own property in her own driveway.

I sure hope they catch them soon.
 
  • #207
Nothing as to what the mom and son were doing is obvious to me. The story comes from the two kids of the dead mother. The story already appears to have changed quite a bit from the version originally reported.
So it's not obvious at all to me as to what exactly went on.
 
  • #208
With conflicting versions of sequence of events, it's difficult to know whether either
the son or mystery-driver/shooter could use this NV self defense statute.

Nothing in this section about defense of others, such as son might want to claim - he was defending mom.

"
NRS 200.200  Killing in self-defense.  
If a person kills another in self-defense, it must appear that:
1.  The danger was so urgent and pressing that, in order to save the person’s own life, or to prevent the person from receiving great bodily harm, the killing of the other was absolutely necessary; and
2.  The person killed was the assailant, or that the slayer had really, and in good faith,
endeavored to decline any further struggle before the mortal blow was given.
[1911 C&P § 137; RL § 6402; NCL § 10084
]". bbm
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-200.html#NRS200Sec200
 
  • #209
With conflicting versions of sequence of events, it's difficult to know whether either
the son or mystery-driver/shooter could use this NV self defense statute.

Nothing in this section about defense of others, such as son might want to claiming re he was defending mom.

"
NRS 200.200  Killing in self-defense.  
If a person kills another in self-defense, it must appear that:
1.  The danger was so urgent and pressing that, in order to save the person’s own life, or to prevent the person from receiving great bodily harm, the killing of the other was absolutely necessary; and
2.  The person killed was the assailant, or that the slayer had really, and in good faith,
endeavored to decline any further struggle before the mortal blow was given.
[1911 C&P § 137; RL § 6402; NCL § 10084
]". bbm
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-200.html#NRS200Sec200

It certainly seems the son could legally use self defense if one of the assailants was injured by one of his bullets.

And if LE finds that one of the suspects has died from bullet wounds the son certainly had a right to try and protect his mother from the hail of bullets.

If they do find all three and one of them has injuries I do not see the son being charged.
 
  • #210
It certainly seems the son could legally use self defense if one of the assailants was injured by one of his bullets.

And if LE finds that one of the suspects has died from bullet wounds the son certainly had a right to try and protect his mother from the hail of bullets.

If they do find all three and one of them has injuries I do not see the son being charged.

What "three of them." Now stories say there was only one guy in the car.
 
  • #211
Nothing as to what the mom and son were doing is obvious to me. The story comes from the two kids of the dead mother. The story already appears to have changed quite a bit from the version originally reported.
So it's not obvious at all to me as to what exactly went on.

Stories do change that is for sure.

What has not changed is the fact that the mother was murdered on her own property and in her own driveway.
 
  • #212
I found this:

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/02/18/police-vegas-mom-armed-son-searched-suspect-road-rage-shooting

Embedded video appears to show surveillance video of the silver sedan.

Do y'all see this too?

Also, there's a clip of the vigil in the cul-de-sac. They cut off her daughter's last word, but as KM calls her brother a hero, she said, "It could be been me (too.)"

Interesting.

:thinking:


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Police guy claims shots were fired from the silver sedan - is there evidence of that or is he just relaying what the son/daughter said?
 
  • #213
IANAL, but since she was not the "shooter" then self-defense doesn't come into play. As in the Michael Dunn case, the first jury (while hung on the murder of JD) had no problem finding him guilty of attempted murder for shooting at the three other teens even though he was supposedly shooting at JD. Self-defense and shooting wild are not compatible. Of course, all this hinges on who shot first, of which no evidence has yet been divulged.

I presume none of those teenagers, including JD, were shooting at him? That makes quite a difference.
 
  • #214
Police guy claims shots were fired from the silver sedan - is there evidence of that or is he just relaying what the son/daughter said?

Well, the mother was shot dead. So somebody shot her. I don't think there are other witnesses corroborating what son or daughter said.
 
  • #215
Police guy claims shots were fired from the silver sedan - is there evidence of that?

I am sure there is. If they shot from the sedan or even if the perp stood up against a partially open door or had the gun out the window then their bullet casings would be found as they automatically ejected when the bullets were fired. That is how LE would know they fired from the sedan. The area in which the casings were found would tell them pretty much were the shooter was at the time.

Just like they can tell where the son was standing when he fired his weapon.
 
  • #216
While the decision to go back and look for the vehicle was a very unwise decision on their part it doesn't make either the son nor the mom culpable in what happened imo. They may have gone back to look for the vehicle thinking they could get the tag number before calling police. It is rather odd that they found it in the area close to their home. It makes me wonder if the suspect lives in that general area. Or was the suspect sitting idle watching which way the mom and daughter went home?

It is obvious when they saw the vehicle and the people in question the mom and son did not confront them then even with the son having a firearm with him. Once they found the vehicle they headed back to their own property and driveway. So they did not cause this to elevate into what happened next imo.

Once the driver in the other car pursued them all the way to their home he became the aggressor and certainly was when he got out of the car and started firing leaving the mother dead in her own driveway.

The son only fired his weapon at the time when he was back on his own property when shots were being fired by the suspect they are looking for now.

I don't fault the son for having his legally owned firearm with him that late at night. If he had had no weapon when the other man(men) started firing he too could have been killed along with his mom. I hope he did do some damage to the car where if it is found it would still have the identifying fresh bullet holes or hole or a shattered window. He also may have been able to hit one of the three that was in the vehicle. Wherever the suspects are holed up now and hiding out they may have someone trying to tend to a wound if they sustained one, which I hope that is the case. It may though begin to cause serious infection to sit in where they would need to seek medical help. Oddly as it sounds a perp will go to the hospital when the wounds were done during a criminal act. They will try to lie of course and say it was an accident of some sort but still the police is notified.

The person who murdered this mom cannot claim self defense. The minute they left and returned to their home was the cooling off period and it was the suspect in the other vehicle who pursued the family and came to their home. With the mom and son leaving once spotting the vehicle and headed home the occupants had to know the mom and son weren't going to confront them or they wouldn't have left.

So by following them home this definitely could be a first degree premeditation case. And we all know it doesn't take but a few seconds or a minute to form an intent to kill.

I have a feeling the suspect has a criminal record ..probably all three do and he felt if they did get his tag number and called LE he would be in a whole lot of trouble. He may even be an ex-felon or gang member who isn't even suppose to legally own a gun much less be in the possession of one.

Its a tragedy no matter how it happened or the mistakes made by this mom. She certainly didn't deserve to be mowed down right on her own property in her own driveway.

I sure hope they catch them soon.

Just curious. Why would you believe this version of events is any more truthful than the other?

JMO - this family is covering up a lot more than that TM & BM went and looked for the faux road rager.


JMO - the person responsible for firing the bullets that killed TM is known to the family.

JMO - the entire incident began and ended at her home.

No I won't speculate about who actually fired the bullets, but IMO, there are at least 4 people who altered their stories to protect 1 person. Now, which do 4 of the 5 people speaking publicly would violate obstruction of justice laws to protect? And why?


JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO
 
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Well, the mother was shot dead. So somebody shot her. I don't think there are other witnesses corroborating what son or daughter said.

The one Fox link has a video of a car on home surveillance... is that just for effect or is it the actual surveillance? I agree, not seeing another person corroborating, not even that a car was there unless they have surveillance video and what did neighbors hear?
 
  • #219
Reportedly...............the daughter honks the horn at this driver--- he gets out, comes back to their car and yells at the mother. His car is in front of theirs---so why didn't they get a plate number? After they arrive home, the mother and son with a gun, go looking for the car, find it, follow it for a while, and then return home. If they were following it, why didn't they get a plate number? Was getting the plate number the intention of the victim and her son when they went looking for the car? I guess not since they didn't do it and it would have been easy to do, considering their position---twice. So what was their intention when they went out with a gun to find the car, once they found it? This reminds me of my dog when he chases the garbage truck. What does he plan on doing with it if he catches it?
 
  • #220
So many parts of this story sound like they were made up on the spur of the moment. Middle of the night parallel parking lessons? I think the police are letting the family keep rambling... If the silver car did not follow them home in the first place ( which according to LE now, they didnt...) why would TM know where they were heading? She drives home... pulls up.. sends her daughter into the house to get the sleeping son up... he has to get his gun AND NOW they go driving around. The other car SHOULD have been many miles away. But somehow she knows where they will be? Finds them in just a few minutes?? Loses them... goes home.. and now THEY follow HER? And a gun battle ensues? I think she knew exactly who they were... and they knew her...

She HAD to have said something to the daughter... to the son... who are they protecting?? JMO...
 
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