GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #2

[jjenny]

How is the neighbor an authority on the matter? LOL You don't need a license to own a gun in Nevada. You just need to register it in Clark County. The county also requires a permit to conceal carry a handgun. Open carry doesn't require a permit. Permits are not licenses, btw.

Was his gun registered and did he have a permit?

 

[Hiandmighty]

The legal age to buy a gun in Nevada is 18.

 

[kimi_SFC]

How is the neighbor an authority on the matter? LOL You don't need a license to own a gun in Nevada. You just need to register it in Clark County. The county also requires a permit to conceal carry a handgun. Open carry doesn't require a permit. Permits are not licenses, btw.

I thought I read somewhere in one of the numerous articles posted here that the minimum age to carry in Nevada was/is 21, though.

Could this be what the neighbor was referring to?

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[Miss Muffet]

Was his gun registered and did he have a permit?

I don't know if his handgun was registered (and you don't know that it wasn't).

I don't know if he had a permit to conceal carry (and you don't know that he didn't).

A permit is for a person, not a specific handgun, btw. A permit is not necessary for open carry.

 

[Hiandmighty]

It's usually legal to have a gun in a car, as a car is considered an extension of your house. This gun in the car doesn't require a CCP.

 

[kimi_SFC]

The legal age to buy a gun in Nevada is 18.

Are there specific statutes for Clark County?

Not that I expect to here EN had a Concealed Weapons Permit.

Have we confirmed that BrM has a CWP? Or just that his firearm is registered? Nevada / Clark County is an Open Carry state, correct?

Yikes, this gets somewhat confusing. :moo:


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[Hiandmighty]

Do we know what brand of gun the .45 is?

 

[SStarr33]

The legal age to buy a gun in Nevada is 18.

I thought that was for long guns.

 

[katydid23]

There are two scenes. BN fired back at the home (second scene). Not the first scene, where the suspect fired at BN and his mother's in the car. So at the first scene BN was not shooting at the suspect. The rest of discrepancies can be easily explained. The two stories are similar.
I can combine the two stories in way it makes sense.
Tammy is teaching her daughter to drive. She is driving around in circles.
Suspect thinks they are after him because the car is circling, and he is paranoid.
He calls his friend to pick him up.
Tammy and daughter leave and go home.
Suspect follows them and cuts in front of them because he thought they were after him.
They think it's a case of road rage.
Tammy gets home, gets her son. She doesn't think the suspect is armed.
They find the car. Potentially her son shows his gun? Suspect fires at them.
At this point they decided to get away and drive home.
Suspect follows them, shoots and kills Tammy.

I might believe that version of events, if I did not already suspect that Tammy was buying pills from EN for months prior to the shooting. And if her daughter had actually had a drivers permit at the time, I might believe they went out to have an impromptu lesson. And if I didn't already know that the parking lot they were having the lessons, was also where EN dealt drugs. Too much of a coincidence, imo.

If I am out driving with my daughter, and someone pulls in front of me and threatens to kill me and my girl, I do not drive home and get my son. I call 911 and drive to a safe place, not to my home, where the suspect will know where I live.

Of course, now we know that they all already knew each other, so the whole road rage story is bogus.

EN certainly recognized that huge green Buick. He knew who owned that car. There is more to this story than the version that you posted allows for, imo.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I thought I read somewhere in one of the numerous articles posted here that the minimum age to carry in Nevada was/is 21, though.

Could this be what the neighbor was referring to?

He probably meant a permit for a concealed weapon in Clark County.

I found the following:

Minimum age for Open Carry in Nevada is 18 years old.

http://www.opencarry.org/?page_id=272

Minimum age for concealed firearm is 21 in Clark County.

http://www.lvmpd.com/Permits/ConcealedFirearms/tabid/124/Default.aspx

Who is to say it was concealed or open carried at the time of the shooting though.

 

[sonjay]

There are two scenes. BN fired back at the home (second scene). Not the first scene, where the suspect fired at BN and his mother's in the car. So at the first scene BN was not shooting at the suspect. The rest of discrepancies can be easily explained. The two stories are similar.
I can combine the two stories in way it makes sense.
Tammy is teaching her daughter to drive. She is driving around in circles.
Suspect thinks they are after him because the car is circling, and he is paranoid.
He calls his friend to pick him up.
Tammy and daughter leave and go home.
Suspect follows them and cuts in front of them because he thought they were after him.
They think it's a case of road rage.
Tammy gets home, gets her son. She doesn't think the suspect is armed.
They find the car. Potentially her son shows his gun? Suspect fires at them.
At this point they decided to get away and drive home.
Suspect follows them, shoots and kills Tammy.

Yeah, sure, that works, and that fits with the available physical evidence.

However, just because you can explain things in a way that fits with the available evidence, it doesn't mean that that's the only way it could have happened. And it doesn't mean that it's proved beyond a reasonable doubt. If there are any reasonably plausible alternative explanations, that can be plenty to create reasonable doubt for a juror.

I guess I've failed to make clear the point of my little alternative scenario. My point is not that I think it happened the way I proposed. My point is that there are alternative scenarios that fit with the evidence that are as plausible as the explanations put forth by the Meyers and by the suspect. And that the possibility of reasonably plausible alternative scenarios can make it very very difficult to obtain a conviction.

I hope the police have more physical evidence than we're aware of. And with any luck, there are eyewitnesses who were passing motorists, or neighbors, or someone (anyone!) not directly involved in this circus. Because the participants in the case have pretty close to zero credibility.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I thought that was for long guns.

That's for dealers. Unlicensed sales is 18.

http://smartgunlaws.org/minimum-age-to-purchase-possess-firearms-policy-summary/

 

[sonjay]

I might believe that version of events, if I did not already suspect that Tammy was buying pills from EN for months prior to the shooting. And if her daughter had actually had a drivers permit at the time, I might believe they went out to have an impromptu lesson. And if I didn't already know that the parking lot they were having the lessons, was also where EN dealt drugs. Too much of a coincidence, imo.

If I am out driving with my daughter, and someone pulls in front of me and threatens to kill me and my girl, I do not drive home and get my son. I call 911 and drive to a safe place, not to my home, where the suspect will know where I live.

Of course, now we know that they all already knew each other, so the whole road rage story is bogus.

EN certainly recognized that huge green Buick. He knew who owned that car. There is more to this story than the version that you posted allows for, imo.

BBM. That's exactly it. It's just not plausible -- at all -- that things unfolded the way the Meyers have reported.

What exactly happened, and why, isn't the slightest bit clear, but it almost certainly did not happen the way the Meyers have described it.

 

[Miss Muffet]

It's usually legal to have a gun in a car, as a car is considered an extension of your house. This gun in the car doesn't require a CCP.

Correct. You're only required to inform an office that you have firearms in the car if an officer pulls you over for any reason. It does vary by state though. Some states require the firearms not be loaded while transporting them in the car.

 

[jjenny]

I might believe that version of events, if I did not already suspect that Tammy was buying pills from EN for months prior to the shooting. And if her daughter had actually had a drivers permit at the time, I might believe they went out to have an impromptu lesson. And if I didn't already know that the parking lot they were having the lessons, was also where EN dealt drugs. Too much of a coincidence, imo.

If I am out driving with my daughter, and someone pulls in front of me and threatens to kill me and my girl, I do not drive home and get my son. I call 911 and drive to a safe place, not to my home, where the suspect will know where I live.

Of course, now we know that they all already knew each other, so the whole road rage story is bogus.

EN certainly recognized that huge green Buick. He knew who owned that car. There is more to this story than the version that you posted allows for, imo.

How did both groups came up with stories that can be matched to make sense? If it was something different, why does suspect's story closely resembles Meyer's story? If it was a "drug deal gone bad" why didn't suspect have told that to his friends?

 

[jjenny]

I don't know if his handgun was registered (and you don't know that it wasn't).

I don't know if he had a permit to open carry (and you don't know that he didn't).

A permit is for a person, not a specific handgun, btw. A permit is not necessary for open carry.

My bad. I didn't realize that the guns laws are so permissive in Nevada, that anybody (including a guy who allegedly sells things in the park) can legally have a gun. Or many guns. As long as he openly carries them.

 

[cebee]

I dont believe the ' lets go practice parking in the dark' scenario. But for the life of me I also cant explain why any mom would take her 15 year old daughter with her to buy drugs...

 

[nothingnew]

I read what you wrote. You are suggesting they invited someone to their home who had a loaded weapon and already shot at them. And then you are claiming that somehow makes sense. Would you invite someone to your home who shot at you multiple times?

I know there's at least one story where EN shoots only at the M's house (at people, not the the actual house. The big issue for me is who's story, or what parts of the stories are to be believed? I'm thinking there's a lot of lying AND Tammy can't speak for herself. We "know" her only from pictures.

 

[bexlex]

It also makes sense. We thought she looked unhappy in all her photos. Now that I take a second look, I see that it could just be Xanax. She looks very chilled out and relaxed. And many, many housewives get hooked on Xanax. Here in LA they often resort to buying "Xani-bars" on the street after their doctors cut them off from legal prescriptions. It's very common.

I have no idea what a Xani-bar is....I thought Xanax put you to sleep....

 

[Hiandmighty]

Correct. You're only required to inform an office that you have firearms in the car if an officer pulls you over for any reason. It does vary by state though. Some states require the firearms not be loaded while transporting them in the car.

And some places like New York have laws where you can't have a gun at all. I carry a judge in my car.

Eta: this is what I keep in my car-- it's a .45 revolver http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=199&category=Pistol