GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #3

[Gypsy Road]

According to one of the CNN video links I posted above, Bob sent a text to CNN saying that he would do a PEE test to prove that his family does not do drugs and that this is getting sicker by the moment. I hadn't heard that before. Scratching head here.

 

[JLSChook]

According to one of the CNN video links I posted above, Bob sent a text to CNN saying that he would do a PEE test to prove that his family does not do drugs and that this is getting sicker by the moment. I hadn't heard that before.

Oh, I see. Is he going to pee for the whole family? What in the world is wrong with this dude? :facepalm:

Another thing that sticks in my craw is that El Camino offer fiasco. Really, Bob? First of all, you KNEW who the perp was and so did your kids, so let's offer up Tammy's prized possession, right?

Why not just offer a years supply of Rice-a-Roni, seeing that you (Bob) knew you were lying all along. Geesh!

 

[Miss Muffet]

According to one of the CNN video links I posted above, Bob sent a text to CNN saying that he would do a PEE test to prove that his family does not do drugs and that this is getting sicker by the moment. I hadn't heard that before. Scratching head here.

Oh, I know!!!! I saw that and forgot to comment!

He said he and his family would do a pee test to prove they don't do drugs. I immediately thought that doesn't prove Tammy didn't do drugs! LOL

Does he not realize a toxicology report will be part of the autopsy? I sure hope it is. If the coroner doesn't, he/she is incompetent.

That man just keeps on TALKING AND TALKING.

 

[Gypsy Road]

Bob is talker and quite the character, and I feel like writing him a thank you letter for all free entertainment he has provided me the last few days. He really needs to put a sock in it. I can't help it, but he reminds me of a male version of Cindy Anthony because just like Cindy, he is in the news just about every day making some odd ball comment. He just can't help himself. I believe he is innocent in all this, and I know he is a grieving man, but someone needs to pull him aside and tell him to shush it! He's hurting this case more than helping.

 

[Snoods]

Or possibly the neighbor's son isn't recalling exactly correctly what he heard. As I said just upthread, even disinterested third parties won't always get all the details right.

But yes, the report from the neighbor is that his son heard shots, then squealing tires, then more shots. If that order of events is supported by additional ear-witness reports from additional neighbors, then IMO there's a good chance that was in fact the order of events. And it does make me wonder who fired first.

And he specifically says he heard three shots first, which just happens to be how many shots BM fired. We could have another BM lie.

 

[Snoods]

Let's entertain how EM's lawyer might try to argue self defense.

I've been thinking about situations like the Burning Bed. It's outright murder, but many of those wives have gotten away with it because they were abused, and they couldn't call police because it was unlikely they would have been protected from their husbands.

What if EM has proof someone threatened him? Perhaps a text from someone in the Meyers family. Even a text from someone else, such as a gang member, could prove he was fearing for is life. Their coming after him brandishing a handgun would justify his shooting at the first scene, especially after he saw them stalking him at the school parking lot and for quite a while on the streets once he was in the Audi. Now, knowing they truly are following through on their threat, he feels they will continue to stalk him until they kill him because they have been relentless in their stalking him since the school. He goes down to their house and Brandon fires three rounds as the car is coming down the street. (Three rounds were first heard by the neighbor, and three of Brandon's rounds were found at the scene). Then there were squealing tires and EM shoots multiple rounds while the car is leaving. (That explains how EM can be shooting out the passenger window because the car would be turned around as it is leaving.) Add the father pounding on his door days later as further proof these people should be feared. Nobody in their right mind would pound on a door of someone who just killed their family member.

Like we say about the Meyers family, EM could have called the police. Perhaps he didn't feel the police would adequately protect him. After all, the police aren't even acknowledging the gang exists!

Miss Muffet!! This is brilliant! Everything just clicked into place.

The part of the story with EN shooting from the passenger side of the vehicle as it was approaching the house has always baffled me. How would that even be possible unless he was leaning halfway out and over the car like some kind of stuntman?

So what I now believe happened is BM shot at them three times as they were approaching (hence the three shots heard first by the neighbor), so the silver car turned around, tires squealing, and EN fired back as the car was leaving, from the passenger side! Also all verified by the ear witness.

What is your dark secret, Meyers family? What are you trying to cover up?

Great post, Miss Muffet!

 

[cebee]

If the car had tinted windows... how did Spiky-Hair see in to know it was a mom and daughter? Not like your average logical person would roll their window down to see what the deranged road-rage-guy wanted...
And if the windows were tinted... what? 8 months ago maybe? Why would EN not be able to recognize it? Has he not been around? I think Bob just kind of makes excuses for anything that does not fit...

 

[SStarr33]

I don't recall anyone saying they were lying about the grandmother living there. Some felt it was a lie that he got the gun from her drawer. Big difference.

Go back and read again.

 

[SStarr33]

Sigh. Oh, Bob. Their green Buick is a very distinctive looking car. (Per the google earth photo of the car.) Tinting the windows isn't going to cause anybody not to recognize it lol. Now maybe if they had hung an air freshener from the mirror it would be unrecognizable.

Don't ever hang anything from the rear-view mirror! According to folks on this thread, it is a driving hazard and in some states having something hanging there is illegal.

 

[sonjay]

If the car had tinted windows... how did Spiky-Hair see in to know it was a mom and daughter? Not like your average logical person would roll their window down to see what the deranged road-rage-guy wanted...
And if the windows were tinted... what? 8 months ago maybe? Why would EN not be able to recognize it? Has he not been around? I think Bob just kind of makes excuses for anything that does not fit...

That seems to be the pattern. Whenever new information comes out, or is about to come out, BM's story changes to accommodate the new information. That's why we've seen so many variations of the story.

I think the original story was closer to the truth: The Meyers car encountered the silver car, there was an altercation, the silver car followed the Meyers car back to the Meyers house, where both sides fired guns, and TM ended up dead.

But I think that original story was told incorrectly, in that I think Brandon and sis were in the Meyers car the whole time and that they deliberately went out that night looking for EN and instigated the original altercation and encounter.

They (the Meyerses) very quickly decided they were going to lie about Brandon being in the car. Hence, the original story about mom & the driving lessons.

That would also be why the Meyerses failed to mention the first shooting incident. Brandon was out there pointing his gun out of the car at the silver car, and that's what instigated EN to begin firing at the Meyers car. But since the Meyers had decided their story was that Brandon wasn't in the car for the original road rage altercation, they had to leave out the part where shots were fired. They wanted to paint TM and the daughter as total innocents who were wrongly victimized, so the whole driving lessons and road rage lie got started.

Then they realized they were going to have to put Brandon in the car with his gun. So the story changed to accommodate that, with mom getting away from the silver car, going home, dropping off the daughter, getting the son with his gun, and going back out to "look for" the silver car.

Then that story wasn't playing very well with the public. People were asking why didn't Tammy call 911? Why didn't Brandon call 911? She had gotten and made it home safely. So the story evolved to say that Brandon had wanted to call 911 but his mom responded that she was going back out with or without him. Brandon still gets to be "innocent" here, and the story paints him as the law-abiding guy who wanted to call 911. (Nevermind that his FB page clearly shows that he's a hothead and likely to start road raging over any little thing. The Meyers story shows that he's an innocent.)

Then the Meyers realized that arming up and going back out to "look for" a car that you had just been in a road rage incident with was stupid and wasn't playing well with the public either. So then the story changed to TM "luring" EN away from the house -- in some weird attempt to keep her children safe.

And of course, the whole question of knowing vs. not knowing EN. Since they originally decided their story was that it was road rage, and most people don't get in road rage incidents with neighbors that they know and have befriended, they had to pretend that they didn't know it was EN. But then it became apparent that it was going to become public knowledge that they did know EN, and the story evolved to include the Meyerses claiming that they knew it was EN but had to refrain from saying so because it would somehow interfere with the police investigation.

If what I think is correct about how it actually happened, that would also explain the overly aggressive depiction of Brandon as a "hero" and the comments that he "did what he had to do" and would do for anyone he loved. The comments by the various Meyerses about Brandon's involvement was too defensive, IMO. Since the Meyerses knew the truth, they knew that Brandon played a pretty significant role in the events that led to his mother's death, and their defense of his actions betray that knowledge. IMO. If things had happened the way they originally told the story, with the road rage and the silver car following TM home and Brandon coming out of the house to return fire, Brandon would have been totally, completely, 100% blameless, so why would they have been so defensive about his actions that night? They wouldn't have been, unless they knew that he in fact wasn't blameless.

 

[SeeAlice]

And Brandon said he got his gun from her drawer.

Just because she's physically there doesn't mean she's mentally there though.

Do we know if she is maternal or paternal grandmother?

Possible she has dementia or Alzheimer's but if she's TM's mom, she may be as young as 60 years old.

Bob has been so busy telling other tales that we know nothing about poor Tammy. (Remind me to go ahead and write my own obit because my s/o would probably do just as poor of a job.)

 

[Snoods]

Don't ever hang anything from the rear-view mirror! According to folks on this thread, it is a driving hazard and in some states having something hanging there is illegal.

Giggles! This made me laugh SStarr33.

 

[SeeAlice]

I hate to sound like a party pooper and I appreciate the pics and video you already took and posted, and of course you don't have to take anything I say to heart - but I'm not sure if it's such a great idea if you'd actually go into their street and video and take pics? Everyone there, including the M family (I am assuming they are still able to live in the home?), is likely on edge with everything that happened. I'd hate for something to happen to you, even if it is only something seemingly innocent as the police wanting to know what you're doing there and why.

Again, don't feel obliged to listen to me, and maybe I'm becoming too much of a chicken at my old age, but I wanted to make sure I said it. It is well-meant and from a place of caring. :heartluv:

Good thought. And they might think your cell phone is a gun!

 

[Snoods]

That seems to be the pattern. Whenever new information comes out, or is about to come out, BM's story changes to accommodate the new information. That's why we've seen so many variations of the story.

I think the original story was closer to the truth: The Meyers car encountered the silver car, there was an altercation, the silver car followed the Meyers car back to the Meyers house, where both sides fired guns, and TM ended up dead.

But I think that original story was told incorrectly, in that I think Brandon and sis were in the Meyers car the whole time and that they deliberately went out that night looking for EN and instigated the original altercation and encounter.

They (the Meyerses) very quickly decided they were going to lie about Brandon being in the car. Hence, the original story about mom & the driving lessons.

That would also be why the Meyerses failed to mention the first shooting incident. Brandon was out there pointing his gun out of the car at the silver car, and that's what instigated EN to begin firing at the Meyers car. But since the Meyers had decided their story was that Brandon wasn't in the car for the original road rage altercation, they had to leave out the part where shots were fired. They wanted to paint TM and the daughter as total innocents who were wrongly victimized, so the whole driving lessons and road rage lie got started.

Then they realized they were going to have to put Brandon in the car with his gun. So the story changed to accommodate that, with mom getting away from the silver car, going home, dropping off the daughter, getting the son with his gun, and going back out to "look for" the silver car.

Then that story wasn't playing very well with the public. People were asking why didn't Tammy call 911? Why didn't Brandon call 911? She had gotten and made it home safely. So the story evolved to say that Brandon had wanted to call 911 but his mom responded that she was going back out with or without him. Brandon still gets to be "innocent" here, and the story paints him as the law-abiding guy who wanted to call 911. (Nevermind that his FB page clearly shows that he's a hothead and likely to start road raging over any little thing. The Meyers story shows that he's an innocent.)

Then the Meyers realized that arming up and going back out to "look for" a car that you had just been in a road rage incident with was stupid and wasn't playing well with the public either. So then the story changed to TM "luring" EN away from the house -- in some weird attempt to keep her children safe.

And of course, the whole question of knowing vs. not knowing EN. Since they originally decided their story was that it was road rage, and most people don't get in road rage incidents with neighbors that they know and have befriended, they had to pretend that they didn't know it was EN. But then it became apparent that it was going to become public knowledge that they did know EN, and the story evolved to include the Meyerses claiming that they knew it was EN but had to refrain from saying so because it would somehow interfere with the police investigation.

If what I think is correct about how it actually happened, that would also explain the overly aggressive depiction of Brandon as a "hero" and the comments that he "did what he had to do" and would do for anyone he loved. The comments by the various Meyerses about Brandon's involvement was too defensive, IMO. Since the Meyerses knew the truth, they knew that Brandon played a pretty significant role in the events that led to his mother's death, and their defense of his actions betray that knowledge. IMO. If things had happened the way they originally told the story, with the road rage and the silver car following TM home and Brandon coming out of the house to return fire, Brandon would have been totally, completely, 100% blameless, so why would they have been so defensive about his actions that night? They wouldn't have been, unless they knew that he in fact wasn't blameless.

I agree with this 100% Sonjay. I wish I had your way with words!

 

[SeeAlice]

I'm sure he has talked to EN about it. But he needs other witnesses because a defendant's word doesn't carry the same weight as other witnesses.

Additionally, most lawyers will not allow (or strongly recommend against) a defendant to testify. Claus needs a way to tell EN's side in court without EN taking the stand.

JMO

 

[jjenny]

Additionally, most lawyers will not allow (or strongly recommend against) a defendant to testify. Claus needs a way to tell EN's side in court without EN taking the stand.

JMO

Then maybe he should find out what EN side is first.

 

[SeeAlice]

According to one of the CNN video links I posted above, Bob sent a text to CNN saying that he would do a PEE test to prove that his family does not do drugs and that this is getting sicker by the moment. I hadn't heard that before. Scratching head here.

Pretty funny given that at least one of the sons was wearing a t-shirt with the name of a product to clear the urine of drugs for tox screens in an early interview in front of the home. I looked up the name of the product & posted it in the 1st thread.

 

[cebee]

If I had to guess, I would think the defense would prefer to paint the whole thing as a drug deal gone bad ( with EN's friends testifying to that) rather than a poor suburban soccer mom murdered in cold blood by a neighborhood ... EN is guilty either way, but a jury is likely to be much less sympathetic in the first scenario... more likely to agree to a lesser charge... JMO

 

[jjenny]

If I had to guess, I would think the defense would prefer to paint the whole thing as a drug deal gone bad ( with EN's friends testifying to that) rather than a poor suburban soccer mom murdered in cold blood by a neighborhood ... EN is guilty either way, but a jury is likely to be much less sympathetic in the first scenario... more likely to agree to a lesser charge... JMO

Sure looks like it.

 

[sonjay]

Then maybe he should find out what EN side is first.

Do you have some reason to think that EN's own lawyer is not finding out EN's side?