GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #4

[SpanishInquisition]

I posted the possibility earlier today (or last night) that perhaps he didn't admit the first shooting scene because he was ashamed he fled without shooting back. That might not be just fear of what his father thinks of him, but also a fear of what associates of his think of him.

Yes, but what caught my eye was the final shooting scene and by tying it to three different times he was called by him mom, that would give a reason for KM to lie to her family and the police. Leaving your mom as a sitting duck right before she died is pretty serious and would be reason for KM to go along with it for as long as possible and to instead just cover the whole thing up and make BM appear heroic throughout. BM being ashamed about one incident wouldn't necessarily get KM to go along with it to protect him from embarrassment from his friends, but a whole pattern of cowardice right up to the point of TM's death could get her to hush that up to save her family's emotion well-being. BM's account of what happened on Mt Shasta seems kind of weird why he was going toward the house as soon as he saw the Audi, particularly given how he ducked before why was he going away from the car toward the house except to run inside. BM's actions at Mt Shasta never seemed to make much sense to me as to why he was outside some distance from his mom while his mom was in the car (which the original story prominently addressed this by calling him a hero who ran out with guns blazing in order to explain this discrepancy of why he was outside and his mom was in the car, which to me shows there was a clear intent to hide this exact issue).

 

[jayme1133]

Yes, if you are being followed by bad guys, you go home, lock the door, and call 911 immediately. That is exactly what you do - if you're a 44-year-old person. If you are teenagers/early 20's, maybe not. I'm beginning to think that TM had NO involvement until she walked out into her driveway and was struck down in a gunfight. I wonder if the Buick's steering wheel was fingerprinted that night?

Steering wheel fingerprints, other fingerprints, gun residue testing, drug screening (BM said they would take tests) so obviously this wasn't done, cremation, cars impounded for testing, so called Audi?.....LE is in trouble with this case!
Cell phones?? - maybe they requested records for ALL involved, lets hope!

I don't care who was driving, who went where BUT LE believing M's account will haunt them! I still think B-day party started the problems that night...am I goofy??:thinking:

B

 

[jayme1133]

bm's actions at mt shasta never seemed to make much sense to me as to why he was outside some distance from his mom while his mom was in the car (which the original story prominently addressed this by calling him a hero who ran out with guns blazing in order to explain this discrepancy of why he was outside and his mom was in the car, which to me shows there was a clear intent to hide this exact issue).

agree!!!!

 

[Miss Muffet]

BM being ashamed about one incident wouldn't necessarily get KM to go along with it to protect him from embarrassment from his friends...

I said associates. His perceived prowess could be important to the family.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I said associates. His perceived prowess could be important to the family.

It might have been what you said then might have put the seed in my head questioning BM's bravery as an explanation for the changing stories as I remember reading that from you. I'm basically expanding on what you said to cover a longer time frame instead of it just being the first shooting.

 

[Miss Muffet]

It might have been what you said then might have put the seed in my head questioning BM's bravery as an explanation for the changing stories as I remember reading that from you. I'm basically expanding on what you said to cover a longer time frame instead of it just being the first shooting.

I'm not saying, "I said it first." I'm agreeing with your elaboration. It really doesn't matter if it's a shorter or longer time frame. The motive to lie is what matters. I'm changing your motive explanation from protecting BM from RM perceiving him as a coward to it being important to the Meyerses that BM not be seen publicly as a coward in regards to the rumors about EN and drugs.

 

[jayme1133]

It might have been what you said then might have put the seed in my head questioning BM's bravery as an explanation for the changing stories as I remember reading that from you. I'm basically expanding on what you said to cover a longer time frame instead of it just being the first shooting.

HAHA Seeds....That is what keeps happening to me when I read these messages. I keep thinking "hmmm is that possible?"
SO keep watering my seeds because this the biggest mess I have ever followed. It makes me want to fly to vegas and do my own investigation. The lack of social media/information is mind boggling!

I'm with SpanishInquisition on defense with this case! Many pages back, I said "hoping EN gets good representation" I still feel that way!

There is a high profile attorney in my area, he represented the diaper lady. He didn't care if she was guilty (yes, I asked him) his belief was everyone deserves the right to be defended regardless of guilt.

 

[Miss Muffet]

A fantastic defense will make for great drama. My daughter refers to what we're doing here as "eating popcorn." It's true and it isn't. I do like a good mystery, and I love solving puzzles. Mostly, I don't want to see someone get away with murder or be sentenced for a murder they didn't commit.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I'm changing your motive explanation from protecting BM from RM perceiving him as a coward to it being important to the Meyerses that BM not be seen publicly as a coward in regards to the rumors about EN and drugs.

Oh, I understand what you're saying now. Not BM's personal associates, but the Meyers family in general, like RM's associates. However, it is my WAG that RM didn't know and that's why he kept on ending up looking like a fool with the changing stories. It's my WAG that the police got KM/BM's initial story before RM getting called about what happened, though even if that's true it doesn't preclude RM being in on hushing up how it actually went down.

 

[Miss Muffet]

...this the biggest mess I have ever followed. It makes me want to fly to vegas and do my own investigation.

What a coincidence! I was wishing I lived closer to Vegas this morning! If I had unlimited funds, I'd probably be in Vegas already. Inadvertently seeing part of a Murder She Wrote episode last night might have seeded those thoughts. LOL

 

[SpanishInquisition]

He didn't care if she was guilty (yes, I asked him) his belief was everyone deserves the right to be defended regardless of guilt.

That sounds like Rumpole of the Bailey, which was a semi-humorous British show about the law starring the great Leo McKern, I've learned a lot from as far as treating people as innocent until proven guilty. There's episodes for instance cover why someone would make a false confession of guilt, etc.

 

[PaperDoll]

I posted the possibility earlier today (or last night) that perhaps he didn't admit the first shooting scene because he was ashamed he fled without shooting back. That might not be just fear of what his father thinks of him, but also a fear of what associates of his think of him.

IMO BM most likely didn't shoot back at the 1st scene because I have a feeling he was taken by surprised that their was a shooter in the car. The Audi fled from the Buick with Buick in pursuit, then suddenly the Audi stops and fires, BM may not have had enough time to react.. Also, if BM wasn't driving, and, oh lets say that TM was, she was the one who backed up and drove home. BM ducked, I think a lot of people would have ducked and their been bullets flying, it's a natural reaction, and TM may have done the same, keeping low.

 

[Linda 61]

With all the changing of stories in this case how can we be sure about what EN told his friends?

 

[SpanishInquisition]

BM ducked, I think a lot of people would have ducked and their been bullets flying, it's a natural reaction, and TM may have done the same, keeping low.

I agree that BM did nothing unusual, but BM doesn't appear to come from a normal family. That's why I say we might have been wrong before in thinking TM was being in thrown under the bus as that's how normal people see it, but Meyers aren't normal so their internal logic can be way different. Someone with the brass to go over to an armed murder suspects' home to confront might not have much sympathy for those showing fear and could look down upon them as inferior. RM actually acted very similarly to how TM is alleged to have acted in both keeping the police out of it and being willing to charge right into a potentially extremely dangerous situation and with parents like that, I don't think showing normal fear is treated how it is treated in other families.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

How do we know it's true EN told his friends anything?

Strictly speaking we don't know, but the police tested them by having them pick out the right caliber of bullet used by Nowsch. I haven't found anything mentioning the caliber of bullets used prior to the 18th, so they would have to either be lucky guessers or have insider knowledge somehow. I believe EN's friends are telling the truth, but I think they may have misremembered or misheard certain things.

 

[sonjay]

With all the changing of stories in this case how can we be sure about what EN told his friends?

The police affidavit for the arrest warrant:
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/0...5F02612X-declaration-&-complaint_Redacted.pdf

The entire last paragraph is a summary of how the cops determined that the two friends were credible. Not necessarily that every single detail they said was accurate, but that they were credible in general. They knew things that weren't public knowledge, for example, things that they could only have known if EN had told them.

 

[sonjay]

IMO BM most likely didn't shoot back at the 1st scene because I have a feeling he was taken by surprised that their was a shooter in the car. The Audi fled from the Buick with Buick in pursuit, then suddenly the Audi stops and fires, BM may not have had enough time to react.. Also, if BM wasn't driving, and, oh lets say that TM was, she was the one who backed up and drove home. BM ducked, I think a lot of people would have ducked and their been bullets flying, it's a natural reaction, and TM may have done the same, keeping low.

I agree with this. I think BM didn't have any idea the Audi was going to shoot. The hunted suddenly became the hunter; the prey became the predator. BM wasn't expecting that.

It's also possible he could have had the safety on, or forgot to rack a round into the chamber.

By the time he was able to gather his wits and actually prepare to fire back, the Buick driver (whoever it was) was already backing up and fleeing toward home.

 

[sonjay]

I agree that BM did nothing unusual, but BM doesn't appear to come from a normal family. That's why I say we might have been wrong before in thinking TM was being in thrown under the bus as that's how normal people see it, but Meyers aren't normal so their internal logic can be way different. Someone with the brass to go over to an armed murder suspects' home to confront might not have much sympathy for those showing fear and could look down upon them as inferior. RM actually acted very similarly to how TM is alleged to have acted in both keeping the police out of it and being willing to charge right into a potentially extremely dangerous situation and with parents like that, I don't think showing normal fear is treated how it is treated in other families.

Am I understanding correctly these posts? Is the thinking now turning to the notion that the Meyers kids lied because they were ashamed that BM wasn't aggressive enough?

 

[passionflower]

When you take a gun and go looking for someone that you just had a confrontation with, you are instigating the second confrontation. If the Meyers' story is true, then TM & BM did instigate the second confrontation. Whether or not either of them shot at EN is immaterial to that fact. They did instigate the second confrontation.

That is, if you believe there was a second confrontation. I do not. I think that whoever was in the Meyers car for the initial encounter near the school was in the car for the entire thing. I don't think the Meyers car ever went home to drop off one person and pick up another.

This makes allot of sense to me.....I'm trying so hard to get all the facts straight and I am gettng lost.......

 

[sonjay]

This makes allot of sense to me.....I'm trying so hard to get all the facts straight and I am gettng lost.......

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