GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #4

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  • #181
Here's one thing that bugs me. When TM went into the hospital, her family didn't know she was going to die, correct? (Or did they?) So why would BM/sis lie about who was in the car if they thought TM could wake up and spill the beans? Unless they thought she would lie for them...

We don't know when the formal statements were taken that went into the Complaint. Rather by design or by accident the initial story changed from BM being armed with a shotgun:
http://www.mynews3.com/content/news...a-cimarron-meyers/-_TjzB0gAkSu53j1OczZSA.cspx
Also in that story it is one continuous event where the son was never in the car. Unless one of the Meyers in the car was already armed with the 9MM, it doesn't square with what EN told his friends what happened. In any event under that scenario the Audi driver followed the Meyers from the school to Alta then Durango where the first direct clash happened and BM was never part of a chase.
 
  • #182
The more we talk about it tonight, the more I believe TM was in the car.

I'm more perplexed trying to figure out how MM fits into it.

I think I so badly wanted to believe TM wasn't in the car. What she did is just so foreign to me as a mother. But it does seem as if she was in the car, now that we've parsed this out tonight.

The morning crew's heads are going to be spinning with all the different directions we've been going tonight. Take over morning crew and put your big brains to work!
 
  • #183
Oh yeah, that has most definitely occurred to me. Since her death, TM has been increasingly thrown under the bus. Initially, the whole thing was sparked by some anonymous stranger getting annoyed while TM was innocently giving her daughter driving lessons.

But ever since TM died, she's been blamed for more and more of what happened. First we have the huge revelation that TM took KM home and picked up Brandon to go back out looking for EN. Then we have TM involved with EN -- consoling him, giving him money, even feeding him -- essentially, bringing evil right into the bosom of the Meyers family. Then we learn that Brandon wanted her to stay home and call 911, but she she refused and said she would go alone if he didn't go with her. Then we have TM specifically asking Brandon to bring his gun. It sounds to me like the Meyerses have figured out they can say anything they want about TM's actions and statements that night, and there's no one alive to dispute it.

BBM Oh my gosh, I KNOW! The ever evolving BM white knight story has become utterly ridiculous!

I'm sure EN's attorney is just trying to cover all the bases, but I've been wondering why EN's attorney would want to base his defense on his head injury when there is...all this!
 
  • #184
Since "they" say that it's best to stick as close to the truth as possible when you tell a lie, this is what I think happened:

MM was driving without a license. Perhaps she was practicing. While driving around, she freaked out EN because he's recognized the car and is afraid of the Meyerses due to some falling out between them regarding the rumored drug relationship between TM and EN.

This causes En to call the Audi friend to pick him up. He wants to get away. He surely doesn't want to walk home because it's too out in the open to be on the sidewalk when someone he fears is stalking him (in his mind even, perhaps). Oblivious, MM left to practice driving around the extended neighborhood.

On his way to the park to pick up EN, Audi friend sees the green car EN describe was stalking him. Audi friend maneuvers to give green car a piece of his mind. (Did we even check the direction the Audi was heading when this encounter occurred in MM's story? Was it heading towards the school to get EN or was it heading the other direction?) Audi friend continues to pick up EN. MM goes home, frightened.

(An alternate scenario at this point is Audi friend picks up EN at the park while MM is out wandering around in the buick, and EN is in the car when it first encounters MM.)

When TM hears what happens, she gets BM to grab his gun and go with her. Maybe she has a gun. Maybe she doesn't. But their intent is to avenge MM. They already have an existing conflict with EN and his scaring MM is the straw that broke Mamma Bear's back. They leave to not just find the car, but to terrorize it.

The Audio tries to evade the Meyerses by driving away at high speeds. The Meyerses give chase for an extended period of time. BM brandishes his weapon and EN starts firing his weapon.

At this point, the Meyerses run away and go home. I do believe with the intent to lead EN to their house because they think it's okay to shoot someone if they are on their property. By this time, EN is determine to protect himself from this threat. Since he's a drug dealer and has a unresolved rumored drug-related conflict with the Meyerses, calling the police is out of the question. Rational or not, he feels the only way to be safe and protect himself is to intimidate the people he is having a rumored drug related conflict with.

TM and BM park the car and prepare to welcome the Audi when it arrives. As soon as BM sees the Audi, he starts shooting. TM might be shooting a 45 too (won't know until ballistic report is back). EN returns fire and retreats to safety.

The problems with this story is the Meyerses didn't tell LE they knew the shooter was EN, yet RM went pounding on EN's door. He said in the media that he went to EN's house to talk to him. But wouldn't Bob have better things to do while he's worried about his wife? Are there any other problems with this version?
 
  • #185
I will say this, without a doubt whoever was in the green Buick knew exactly where the silver car was going to be and vice versa. In the maps I did based on the warrants, there is no possible way either of those vehicles would have been able to find each other so quickly and directly over that distance. And based on that, I believe they knew who was in each respective vehicle.

What I'm trying to square is when EN called the Audi to pick him up and how much time transpired between the call and the Audi arriving. Per the Meyers they were doing driving lessons for about 40 minutes with an them being in the school parking lot at the beginning and end of that time range. So EN noticed the car during the tail end of this when they returned so the car arrived promptly pointing to it being a neighbor who owned the Audi or EN called the first time he saw them in the parking lot and there was a delay of like 20-30 minutes. Also the time lag could point to whether this was a continuous event or multiple events. If there was the delay it could more easily mean the Meyers encountered the Audi driver before EN was in the car with EN having no role or acknowledge of that event leading to the multi-event scenario while if it was a neighbor who just popped over quickly it could lend itself more to one long event.
 
  • #186
We don't know when the formal statements were taken that went into the Complaint. Rather by design or by accident the initial story changed from BM being armed with a shotgun:
http://www.mynews3.com/content/news...a-cimarron-meyers/-_TjzB0gAkSu53j1OczZSA.cspx
Also in that story it is one continuous event where the son was never in the car. Unless one of the Meyers in the car was already armed with the 9MM, it doesn't square with what EN told his friends what happened. In any event under that scenario the Audi driver followed the Meyers from the school to Alta then Durango where the first direct clash happened and BM was never part of a chase.

Welcome to the thread and forum, SpanishInquisition. :) I'm looking forward to your fresh perspective!

The version of events in the article you linked is the very first of several versions told by BM and MM. I'd love to hear your thoughts. Is this the version you think is a possibility? Do you have a firm opinion yet?
 
  • #187
I am still not convinced that TM was in the car at the school/park. The story of the drop off/pick up of BM is very inconsistent and does not jive with the original stories, of one long incident. And he spoke of 'the kids' being after him.

Also, I believe her kids knew she was probably not going to survive. She was shot in the head. I think they saw the gravity of that situation early on. :rose:
 
  • #188
Posted by SpanishInquisition ".... off-putting and potentially confrontation was her telling EN to pull his pants up.
Such a discussion is far easier to be seen as insulting EN rather than nurturing EN.
What the family is now calling nurturing could have been bullying and taunts
...." sbm bbm
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Bullying? Really? Did you forget the other thing they did for him?
bbm

bbm1
Yes, poss it was off-putting to EN, if MrsM said it that way.
When MrM said ~'she told him to pull his pants up' do we know if she said it that way.
Maybe she used tactful, constructive language. Or not.
MrM m/h/used less than diplomatic language to describe her 'counsel. Or maybe there was no counsel.

bbm2
The other thing they did for EN? Which was???
Whatever it is (allegedly), is the source MrM or another fam member?

JM2cts.
 
  • #189
I am still not convinced that TM was in the car at the school/park. The story of the drop off/pick up of BM is very inconsistent and does not jive with the original stories, of one long incident. And he spoke of 'the kids' being after him.

Also, I believe her kids knew she was probably not going to survive. She was shot in the head. I think they saw the gravity of that situation early on. :rose:

So, assuming the story BM told police changed, what made him change the story?
Second story doesn't make neither him nor his mother look better.
Do police have surveillance videos of the car coming to the house and leaving again?
 
  • #190
You'll note I said that I could see it either way. Even with the best of intentions, if you tell some non-family member to pull their pants up they could take offense to it even if no offense was intended. EN could have seen TM as putting him down even if she loved him like a son when she was saying it.

Whatever she told him didn't work anyway. He was still wearing his pants down in the photo of him being arrested.
 
  • #191
BBM

They wanted to make it an innocent road rage incident. So putting Mom in the car teaching a driving lesson was perfect scenario. JMO

Then why change the story (assuming what he told police changed)?
 
  • #192
I also have trouble believing TM acted in the way she is being betrayed. Could EN have been hired to kill her? Just thinking of other possibilities.

:greetings: Hi Linda! I hope you keep posting, I like your perspective.

I also have a hard time believing that a mother could behave in such a way; you must be a mom too.

As for EN being hired to kill TM, I'd be lying if I said that hasn't crossed my mind. I think all options are on the table and open for discussion at this juncture.
 
  • #193
:greetings: Hi Linda! I hope you keep posting, I like your perspective.

I also have a hard time believing that a mother could behave in such a way; you must be a mom too.

As for EN being hired to kill TM, I'd be lying if I said that hasn't crossed my mind. I think all options are on the table and open for discussion at this juncture.

It crossed my mind in the very beginning as well. But then I couldn't get my mind to really believe that all the children would be in on it, but yeah...in the beginning it just seemed too convenient that RM was away on business, and then that little tidbit about him calling the news station on the way home. WEIRD! I'm still not ruling the possibility of a hit out, but I'm leaning towards a drug deal gone wrong.
 
  • #194
I've been following this thread for awhile, but I just got my account here. Going through the alleged sequence of events, I could see how EN could get off very lightly, particularly in light of the police/DA getting rid of the body before they even had an indictment and it being cremated so future tests can ever be performed. EN could make a Stand Your Ground defense, which whether or not that is true to the events, the reasonable doubt could be there. The police/DA deprived the defense of being able to obtain evidence and because of that it can hurt the prosecution because they voluntarily got rid of a way to disprove the defense's theories.

One thing I've done and I'd recommend everyone else on this thread do is open up the Criminal Complaint in one window and Google Maps in another window and retrace everything step-by-step. Doing that I've seen things that I don't think anyone else has commented on. My observations for reading and re-reading the complaint where I'm going in order:
1. (1st Paragraph of Facts) Where did TM and daughter drive when the daughter alleged drove in the residential area? To me there's an awful lot of time to account for as there's 40 minutes of 'driving lessons,' which in that 40 minutes I'm including trip time by TM to the school as it is a negligible distance from their home. If for instance 20 minutes was spent driving around Las Vegas with the daughter at the wheel that should have taken them a few miles. Also during this time the daughter could have pulled into the park where EN was and taunted/threatened him by driving the car in an antagonistic way like repeatedly pointing the car at him and speeding up as he sat on a park bench.
2. (2nd Paragraph) Why was TM driving on Durango in the first place? If it was not for a driving lesson as that had already ended and the Audi had not been spotted where was TM going and for what? Check it for yourselves on Google Maps and you'll see that TM drove past her house by continuing on Alta to Durango.
3. (2nd Paragraph) The description of events given is not physically possible and in fact it sounds like TM was already chasing after the Audi before Brandon allegedly got involved. Per the daughter she honked when the Audi was beside them (was TM speeding up to prevent the Audi from passing?) on Durango. The Audi then passed TM on Westcliff by allegedly cutting them off, so that means the Audi was in front of TM at this time. The next sentence then suddenly says the Audi came from behind on Cimarron, which is not physically possible. Of course there are ways TM could have gotten ahead of the Audi, which wouldn't look good in a police report and it's also possible that the car did the U-turn because TM and the daughter had been confrontational with them and chased them from Durango to Westcliff and finally to Cimarron. Also there's no reason for TM to have driven that route (Alta -> Durango -> Westcliff -> Cimarron), which makes me think they were chasing the Audi from Durango if not Alta, possibly having seen EN get picked up and this was part of their taunting. Seeing EN getting picked up and following the Audi from Alta would explain why they were on Durango from Alta instead of having turned in on Carmel Peak to their home, but this doesn't necessarily have to be what happened as I detailed below an alternative time EN gets picked up.
4. (3rd Paragraph) This could be a lie of omission here as they could have discussed plans for vigilantism and in fact that seems likely
5. (4th Paragraph) TM is going out of her way to not only find but chase the Audi. The Audi going at a high rate of speed when chased by TM sounds like they are trying to get away from TM, not hunt TM. This sounds like TM et al either intended to shoot those in the Audi or to scare the Audi passengers by threatening them. What was the purpose of the high speed chase??? Once the high speed chase was initiated by TM it sounds like a shooting was inevitable as I don't see what other end game there would be.
6. (5th Paragraph) EN and others in the Audi could have seen BM/TM with a weapon and opened fire in self-defense. Whether or not BM/TM fired at EN, I think you'd have a defense that you shot because you had a gun pointed at you. This defense would be bolstered by the admitted chasing of the Audi most recently at high speed.
7. (6th Paragraph) However unsavory or ill-advised it may have been, EN had a legal right to be on Mt Shasta and EN wasn't driving anyway, so he can't necessarily be blamed for being there. If BM fired first or otherwise drew his weapon first this could be a case of Stand Your Ground as the Audi was doing nothing illegal by driving on Mt Shasta and EN stood his ground after being shot at...at least that is how it could play out in court.
8. (9th Paragraph) Meyers went over to EN's the date of the autopsy. This presumably was done without the knowledge of the police and was done the day of the autopsy. To me this looks extremely bad with vigilantism where the family was going to confront a suspected armed and dangerous suspect who was wanted for murder. If they're willing to confront an armed and dangerous murder suspect on their own this only further makes it look like they were engaging in vigilantism from the beginning and were aggressively stalking/pursuing EN and/or the Audi...maybe they were trying to chase a drug dealer out of their neighborhood.
9. (10th Paragraph) With the police having already arrested him on 2/17 for an unrelated warrant, why did they subsequently let him go? Maybe they had no choice, but it's not discussed that the arrest on the 2/19 was the second time EN had been in custody and questioned as the police had already questioned him about TM on 2/17.
10. (19th Paragraph) It might be irrelevant, but why is one of the last things the complaint says was that only EN knew the shooting took place close to EN's house? Presumably his friend that he called that owned the Audi knew he lived around there.

Also with all this it is possible that TM had the initial confrontation with the Audi driver as the driver was going to pick up EN. That would explain EN's friends saying EN called the Audi to pick him up after having seen TM's car by the park and then once the Audi arrived the car was in the school parking lot and he saw someone pointing a gun. This actually is pretty consistent between BM and EN as BM himself places them by the school when BM/TM saw the Audi and chased it. Given the chain of events the Audi driver could have been furious for his own reasons with TM/BM and it was the driver not EN who stopped the car at the first shooting and who chase TM/BM at the final shooting. I really wish I knew why TM had been on Durango initially and how that ties to the EN timeline to know whether that was before or after the Audi picked up EN.

SI, I'm still reading over your post, but maybe these maps can help you as far as key locations and driving routes of all the key players that night.

Map of key locations for Tammy Meyers shooting:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?m...Y.k2aOy3VTsvqM

Map of driving route per warrant of Tammy Myers and her son Brandon:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?m...Y.kbPFnegisvw8

Map of driving route per warrant of Tammy Myers and her daughter:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?m...Y.kyR2bT05oVE0
 
  • #195
I haven't post much on this case,because I've been so confused by the events. However, from the begining,I felt there was something off about what we were told. I want to thank all of you for your great sleuthing and what you have uncovered.
 
  • #196
That's interesting about the family's stories starting to change after TM's death. But doesn't that indicate that TM would have been in the car since they placed her in the car the first time they talked to the police?

Good point. Possibly that means they were truthful about TM being in the car all along that night.

But let's not forget - they were pretty sure, very early on, that TM was going to die. I don't recall exactly when RM thought they were ready to pull the plug but then doctors said they should wait -- but I do recall that when the doctors said to wait, they said to wait 48 hours. And she died on Valentine's Day -- Feb. 14th, two days after being shot on the 12th.


This article was published Feb. 13, the day after she was shot:
http://www.mynews3.com/content/news...-shot-mom-in-road/3nqCKabClE6dt6BIvW-tYw.cspx

It says they were going to take her off life support Friday night, but doctors wanted to wait 48 hours. Then they took her off life support the next day.

Quote from article: "A mother teaching her 14-year-old daughter to drive was shot in the head and was not expected to survive after an apparent road-rage attack by an angry driver who followed them to their Las Vegas home, the woman's husband said Friday."

It was reported the day after the shooting that she wasn't expected to survive. It was pretty clearly a fatal wound.

So they were very certain, I think, from the very beginning that she was not going to make it. In fact, the kids might well have thought she was already dead when they called 911 that night, and when they first blurted out the driving lesson story to police.

They did claim from the beginning that BM was at home and came out of the house to return fire, so they apparently thought from the beginning that they could lie about what happened.

So yeah, it's pretty gutsy to lie about mom being in the car before she even died, but they did lie before she died about Brandon being in the car. So we know they lied from the very very beginning.

And then, after she died, every time criticism ramped up about what happened that night, the family put some new spin on the story, and each new spin made TM more responsible for what happened.
 
  • #197
So, assuming the story BM told police changed, what made him change the story?
Second story doesn't make neither him nor his mother look better.
Do police have surveillance videos of the car coming to the house and leaving again?

Well, yeah, subsequent stories do make BM more innocent.

When they got to the story in which TM went home to get BM and his gun, the story had BM arming himself on his own initiative and there was no mention of a discussion about calling 911.

Then they subsequently modified that story to add the detail that BM wanted to call 911 but mom said no she was going with or without him.

Then they subsequently modified that story to add the detail that TM specifically asked BM to bring his gun.

Both of those modifications make TM more responsible for what happened, and BM less responsible, by making TM the active agent in the story and BM simply an obedient son who did whatever mom told him to.

This is a case in which you have to pay attention to all the little details. Generalizations are worthless. The details of how this case has evolved are what makes the Meyers family look so suspicious.
 
  • #198
It's bizarre that not a single solitary person has come forward to talk about Tammy. Not anyone she went to school with, practiced nursing with (if indeed she was a nurse). What about other moms she met while her kids were growing up? Who here with kids hasn't made friends with the parents of your children's friends; during baseball season, cheerleading, soccer, football, birthday parties, volunteering at their school. Why the radio silence? It's deafening.

Yes yes yes. I mean everyone else speaking to the dam daily mail- and no friends, neighbors, relatives? even anonymously? Was she isolated?
 
  • #199
What I'm trying to square is when EN called the Audi to pick him up and how much time transpired between the call and the Audi arriving. Per the Meyers they were doing driving lessons for about 40 minutes with an them being in the school parking lot at the beginning and end of that time range. So EN noticed the car during the tail end of this when they returned so the car arrived promptly pointing to it being a neighbor who owned the Audi or EN called the first time he saw them in the parking lot and there was a delay of like 20-30 minutes. Also the time lag could point to whether this was a continuous event or multiple events. If there was the delay it could more easily mean the Meyers encountered the Audi driver before EN was in the car with EN having no role or acknowledge of that event leading to the multi-event scenario while if it was a neighbor who just popped over quickly it could lend itself more to one long event.

These are some good points, and worth considering and examining.

But I have to point out that we have only the word of KM that they were at the school doing the driving lessons for 40 minutes.

If KM told police, "We were at the school, mom was giving me driving lessons in the parking lot," naturally the police would ask when they first went to the school and started the driving lessons.

KM had to say something in response to that question. If the driving lessons story was made up, then KM has no option except to make up a time that they first started the driving lessons. She might have hemmed and hawed and ummmed and erred, but when pressed by police for an approximate time, she had to say something.

Once a person starts lying, every lie leads to more lies. And once a person is known to have lied, we end up not accepting anything they say as necessarily being truthful. Sometimes what they say is truthful, and sometimes it's not, but we don't accept at face value anything said by a known liar. We wait for verification from other sources.
 
  • #200
You brought up a lot of good points in your first post here. It was so much info that I think for some of us there was some information overload going on, but I wanted to go back and look at these points one by one.

1. (1st Paragraph of Facts) Where did TM and daughter drive when the daughter alleged drove in the residential area? To me there's an awful lot of time to account for as there's 40 minutes of 'driving lessons,' which in that 40 minutes I'm including trip time by TM to the school as it is a negligible distance from their home. If for instance 20 minutes was spent driving around Las Vegas with the daughter at the wheel that should have taken them a few miles. Also during this time the daughter could have pulled into the park where EN was and taunted/threatened him by driving the car in an antagonistic way like repeatedly pointing the car at him and speeding up as he sat on a park bench.

Initially, it was only reported that mom was giving daughter driving lessons at the school, and there was no mention of the daughter practicing her driving in any residential areas away from the school. If the driving lessons story was made up, then perhaps when police pressed KM for details about exactly how long they were at the school, and the exact sequence of events in the vicinity of the school, the daughter realized that it might be difficult to account for a full 40 minutes spent driving in circles in the school parking lot, and so she came up with the residential driving.

Or maybe something less savory was happening during that time.

2. (2nd Paragraph) Why was TM driving on Durango in the first place? If it was not for a driving lesson as that had already ended and the Audi had not been spotted where was TM going and for what? Check it for yourselves on Google Maps and you'll see that TM drove past her house by continuing on Alta to Durango.

This question has flummoxed us from the beginning. There's no known reason for the Meyers car to have been all the way over on Durango driving north to Westcliff, and no real explanation of that from any of the Meyers clan, that I'm aware of.

3. (2nd Paragraph) The description of events given is not physically possible and in fact it sounds like TM was already chasing after the Audi before Brandon allegedly got involved. Per the daughter she honked when the Audi was beside them (was TM speeding up to prevent the Audi from passing?) on Durango. The Audi then passed TM on Westcliff by allegedly cutting them off, so that means the Audi was in front of TM at this time. The next sentence then suddenly says the Audi came from behind on Cimarron, which is not physically possible. Of course there are ways TM could have gotten ahead of the Audi, which wouldn't look good in a police report and it's also possible that the car did the U-turn because TM and the daughter had been confrontational with them and chased them from Durango to Westcliff and finally to Cimarron. Also there's no reason for TM to have driven that route (Alta -> Durango -> Westcliff -> Cimarron), which makes me think they were chasing the Audi from Durango if not Alta, possibly having seen EN get picked up and this was part of their taunting. Seeing EN getting picked up and following the Audi from Alta would explain why they were on Durango from Alta instead of having turned in on Carmel Peak to their home, but this doesn't necessarily have to be what happened as I detailed below an alternative time EN gets picked up.

All I can think about this is that when you're making up a story as you go along, you might tell it in a way that doesn't make sense or that isn't physically possible. When someone is describing a sequence of events in a way that doesn't make sense, or that isn't possible, that's very often a clue that they're lying.

4. (3rd Paragraph) This could be a lie of omission here as they could have discussed plans for vigilantism and in fact that seems likely

That would be my take on this -- if, in fact, there was an intermission in the car chases and a trip home to drop off KM and pick up BM. I don't think there was any such intermission, but if there was, I'm sure that TM and BM discussed what their intentions were when they set out with BM's gun to find EN.

5. (4th Paragraph) TM is going out of her way to not only find but chase the Audi. The Audi going at a high rate of speed when chased by TM sounds like they are trying to get away from TM, not hunt TM. This sounds like TM et al either intended to shoot those in the Audi or to scare the Audi passengers by threatening them. What was the purpose of the high speed chase??? Once the high speed chase was initiated by TM it sounds like a shooting was inevitable as I don't see what other end game there would be.

Exactly. You deliberately take a gun and go find another person and then chase them. You really can't claim to have had innocent intentions, and you really can't claim that you think the chase was going to end peacefully and lawfully.


6. (5th Paragraph) EN and others in the Audi could have seen BM/TM with a weapon and opened fire in self-defense. Whether or not BM/TM fired at EN, I think you'd have a defense that you shot because you had a gun pointed at you. This defense would be bolstered by the admitted chasing of the Audi most recently at high speed.

At the first shooting scene, if EN did see a gun pointed at him from the Meyers car, IMO that would be self defense. The silver car had already tried to get away, so obviously fleeing isn't going to work. With additional clarity on the details, I can sort of vaguely see self defense at the cul de sac, as well. The Meyers had chased EN, had pointed a gun at him. They knew where he lived. The silver car had already tried to flee and let the evening end peacefully, but the Meyerses made it clear that wasn't going to happen.

7. (6th Paragraph) However unsavory or ill-advised it may have been, EN had a legal right to be on Mt Shasta and EN wasn't driving anyway, so he can't necessarily be blamed for being there. If BM fired first or otherwise drew his weapon first this could be a case of Stand Your Ground as the Audi was doing nothing illegal by driving on Mt Shasta and EN stood his ground after being shot at...at least that is how it could play out in court.

That's potentially a possibility for a defense. And with the additional clarity on some of the details, I'm starting to think that it may not be merely a clever defense strategy, but something closer to the actual truth.

8. (9th Paragraph) Meyers went over to EN's the date of the autopsy. This presumably was done without the knowledge of the police and was done the day of the autopsy. To me this looks extremely bad with vigilantism where the family was going to confront a suspected armed and dangerous suspect who was wanted for murder. If they're willing to confront an armed and dangerous murder suspect on their own this only further makes it look like they were engaging in vigilantism from the beginning and were aggressively stalking/pursuing EN and/or the Audi...maybe they were trying to chase a drug dealer out of their neighborhood.

Yeah, this. We don't know why RM went over to EN's house. We may not ever know. But it sure doesn't make RM look good.

9. (10th Paragraph) With the police having already arrested him on 2/17 for an unrelated warrant, why did they subsequently let him go? Maybe they had no choice, but it's not discussed that the arrest on the 2/19 was the second time EN had been in custody and questioned as the police had already questioned him about TM on 2/17.

It's clear that the police did not know, on the 17th, that EN was the shooter. They knew there was a possibility he was involved (the warrant says his name had come up). But the Meyerses had not yet told police that EN was the shooter, and EN looked nothing like the police sketch -- which was prepared by a police artist based on the description given by KM and BM. They had nothing solid to hold him on.

10. (19th Paragraph) It might be irrelevant, but why is one of the last things the complaint says was that only EN knew the shooting took place close to EN's house? Presumably his friend that he called that owned the Audi knew he lived around there.

I think the point of including this in the warrant affidavit was to point out that the fact that the shooter lived near the victim had not been made public in the media. Therefore, the only way that EN's friends could have known this was by EN telling them. This lends credibility to their story that EN told them he was the shooter. That last paragraph is all about why the police think that the 2 friends were being truthful in what they told police.
 
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