GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #4

[SpanishInquisition]

My understanding that it's a standard procedure and after autopsy, the body is turned over to the family.
What exactly do you expect LE to do with the body?
It decays. It's not going to hold forever.
In some cases, suspects aren't found or found years later. Do you expect LE keep the body for years and years?

Most people die by natural death, so yes, once the coroner determines it wasn't a homicide you'd expect them to turn over the body to the family as by definition the family can't suspects in a natural death. This is not some cold case and it is undisputed that the Meyers were armed and fired that night, so you can reasonably expect that anyone charged is going to say that someone else did it or they were shooting because the deceased was shooting at them first and during the active police investigation you could later determine one or more of the Meyers are suspects even if EN was the shooter. You don't turn over your evidence to potential murder suspects during an active investigation. If there is indeed more that the police aren't saying publicly, that is all the more reason you don't turn it over to those potentially involved in some kind of criminal conspiracy. If there was a criminal conspiracy of some kind, it's not surprising that you'd instantly see a cremation done, but that's not to say that cremation is proof of a criminal conspiracy. If this was related to a drug deal gone bust where the Meyers were attempting some type of violent felony when their plans went awry and TM died and LE is being coy on the drug angle, all the Meyers in the household would be potential Aggravated Felony Murder suspects even if there's definitive proof none of the Meyers fired the fatal round.

 

[Miss Muffet]

JMO, BBM. Well, looking at this case so far, I continue to think the big influence into the the mindblowingly reckless decisions that night was probably "substance" use, maybe helped along with liberal alcohol at the birthday party. That mix, to me, explains things pretty easily. And I tend to believe more than just 1 person was under the influence that night.

There are innumerable stories of really good, productive folks who lost jobs, families, relationships because they fell into the pit of "substance" abuse. It can take away someone's ability to think rationally. Sad, but it happens.

I agree it's possible. I'm not ready to fully embrace the drugs until there's evidence. The toxicology report would set that in stone for me. But that could also explain the mind blowing reckless decisions stated in the warrant---her getting BM and his gun and going back out to confront someone who threatened them and pursuing them in a high speed car chase.

 

[Miss Muffet]

You can get to Carmel Peak from Alta; so the Audi would have turned right on Alta, then right on Carmel Peak then made a left on Mt. Shasta. The Audi would have been going north on Carmel Peak.

Going that was is possible, but the security camera video shows the Audi going West on Cherry River and turning South on Carmel Peak shortly before the shooting at the M's house. It also shows the car driving slowly using a spotlight on the Cherry River houses, as if it's searching for where the buick or its occupants are hiding. That can indicate they didn't know the buick was the M's and why they didn't take a direct route to M's house.

 

[Miss Muffet]

ETA: No, I think I have it backward. If it's off by an hour due to not having been reset to standard time, I think it would have read 11:22 when it was really 10:22.

If it was 10:22, that could be the Audi heading to pick EN up at the park. I think the 11:22 time is accurate since it's very close to the time LE said the shooting occurred at Mt. Shasta and it's nearby Mt. Shasta and turned down Carmel Peak towards Mt. Shasta.

 

[Miss Muffet]

If we're correct and that footage is from a camera over on Cherry River, how do the police know that it shows the silver car in question? Is it not possible that some other silver car was driving down Cherry River at that time? Even if a car expert can identify it as an Audi (I'm not a car expert, and to me it just looks like a generic car), how do they know that it's the Audi?

I'm sure police have other video of the Audi and Buick from other security cameras.

Plus, it's shining a spotlight out the driver's window. And it possibly has someone is leaning in and out of the window of the passenger side---it's not clear but there's something strange happening at the passenger window in the video.

 

[ChachaLadybug]

Tammy Meyers has been cremated and her ashes scattered in the pacific ocean.

 

[Gin]

Tammy Meyers has been cremated and her ashes scattered in the pacific ocean.

We certainly hope she is at peace.
I missed reading the information you posted. Could you mention what your source is?

 

[Hiandmighty]

My .45 has 410 bullets, but I'm sure we have some .45 bullets here. This makes me want to go fire my gun outside (I live in a rural area) to see how loud it sounds.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I suspect that LE knows quite a lot more than we know. They've been playing things close to the vest from the beginning, which suggests to me that they've known or suspected from the very beginning that the story was full of holes. I'm very much looking forward to things being revealed in court, either at a preliminary hearing or at the trial, if there is one. I'm especially looking forward to the cross examinations of the Meyers family members.

I totally agree with all of this, except the bolded. LE could have a ton of evidence that justifies their warrant and bring clarity to the stories in it. The holes in the story could simply be because we don't have all of the evidence LE has. We could all be wasting our time without having access to LE's evidence. We'll find out eventually if we figured it out accurately or not. It's going to be an interesting trial. Any idea how long we'll have to wait before it makes it to trial? I fear I might miss it entirely if it's not widely publicized at the time.

 

[Gin]

I agree it's possible. I'm not ready to fully embrace the drugs until there's evidence. The toxicology report would set that in stone for me. But that could also explain the mind blowing reckless decisions stated in the warrant---her getting BM and his gun and going back out to confront someone who threatened them and pursuing them in a high speed car chase.

JMO-It's a theory. No proof at this point.
And I know I've said it before, but I am sad for her, and very sorry the loss of her life.

 

[ChachaLadybug]

I agree I hope she is at peace. Source - Bob Meyers

 

[Gin]

I agree I hope she is at peace. Source - Bob Meyers

Indeed. Thank you for your reply.

 

[sonjay]

I don't know where exactly we are in this saga but I have been trying to imagine the reactions of myself as a woman & mother and my son as a young adult man & son.

This is what I think would happen at my house:

I whip into my driveway and slam on the brakes. I run in the house (or call my son on my cell phone from the car?) and say "somebody's trying to kill your sister and me (or just me), grab your gun and come help me find them!"

My own son would tell me "No way, this is your own drama. I'm not getting involved." or something similar. Supposedly I would reply, "I'm going back out to find that(those) #€%+?&, with you or without you." My son would say "Suit yourself," or try to talk me out of it. Or call 911. (Maybe he's not gallant enough or not as "heroic" as Brandon, IDK.)

At that point, one or both of us would be calling Dad, don't you think?
Me to say "You tell Brandon he's got to go with me," and Brandon to tell him "Mom just came in here acting all crazy, saying someone's shooting at her and trying to kill her and now she wants me to help her hunt the guys down. What should I do?"

Even if Brandon and I were caught up in the moment, or on drugs or buying drugs or whatever the circumstances, wouldn't my teenage daughter be in a total panic and call her father as soon as we left her there in the house alone?

I know my imaginings are just that. I don't know how any of it would go down or how I would really react. I'm the type who calls 911 from my cell phone to report reckless driving, obviously impaired drivers, disabled vehicles and downed trees, so it's very hard to try to put myself in any of their shoes.

But surely somebody would have called Bob during all of this, wouldn't you think?

If the driving lesson/road rage story ever actually happened, then yes, I would think that one of them would have called RM at some point. I would also think that someone would have called 911 at some point.

But there's not even a single tiny shred of evidence supporting the driving lesson/road rage story. I'm still looking for any bit of evidence, no matter how small, to support that story.

 

[sonjay]

My .45 has 410 bullets, but I'm sure we have some .45 bullets here. This makes me want to go fire my gun outside (I live in a rural area) to see how loud it sounds.

Loud! I have a .45. I've heard what it sounds like without ears on.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I don't know where exactly we are in this saga but I have been trying to imagine the reactions of myself as a woman & mother and my son as a young adult man & son.

This is what I think would happen at my house:

I whip into my driveway and slam on the brakes. I run in the house (or call my son on my cell phone from the car?) and say "somebody's trying to kill your sister and me (or just me), grab your gun and come help me find them!"

My own son would tell me "No way, this is your own drama. I'm not getting involved." or something similar. Supposedly I would reply, "I'm going back out to find that(those) #€%+?&, with you or without you." My son would say "Suit yourself," or try to talk me out of it. Or call 911. (Maybe he's not gallant enough or not as "heroic" as Brandon, IDK.)

At that point, one or both of us would be calling Dad, don't you think?
Me to say "You tell Brandon he's got to go with me," and Brandon to tell him "Mom just came in here acting all crazy, saying someone's shooting at her and trying to kill her and now she wants me to help her hunt the guys down. What should I do?"

Even if Brandon and I were caught up in the moment, or on drugs or buying drugs or whatever the circumstances, wouldn't my teenage daughter be in a total panic and call her father as soon as we left her there in the house alone?

I know my imaginings are just that. I don't know how any of it would go down or how I would really react. I'm the type who calls 911 from my cell phone to report reckless driving, obviously impaired drivers, disabled vehicles and downed trees, so it's very hard to try to put myself in any of their shoes.

But surely somebody would have called Bob during all of this, wouldn't you think?

I can't wait to see the phone records for all these people. I'll bet M's called Dad before mom was shot that night.

I love your post!

If I ran into the house and roused my son to get his gun to go find a car that threatened to kill me in a road raged, my son would scream, "Mom! Call 911." as he was reaching for his phone. If I said I was going anyway, he'd physically try to stop me. If I managed to get past him and got in the car to leave, I know in my heart he'd call 911 and tell the police that I had head out to confront someone that threatened me during road rage and tell them what type of car I was driving. He'd do this even if I had taken a gun myself because he'd rather I be alive and in jail than dead.

However, if I came in the house and roused him to get his gun because someone had shot at my car and I thought they were chasing me and might have followed me home, my son would call 911 as he was getting a gun from the gun safe. We'd all hunker down in the room with the gun safe waiting for police. If for some crazy idea he felt he needed to be on the lookout, he'd hunker down at a window inside the house with the gun waiting for the Audi or the police to show up, whichever came first. I notice the M's house doesn't have front windows though, but my son would most certainly not be standing in the front yard.

For the record, we've talked about how we would defend our household if something ever happened like a home invasion. That's how I know we'd call 911 at the gun safe and hunker down in that room. Not only does calling 911 bring police to protect you, but calling 911 also helps legally protect you IMO. If I might be about to shoot and/or kill someone, I want what's happening recorded by the 911 operator as police are on the way. Of course, there might be no time to call 911, but it's unlikely because there's a phone near the gun safe.

 

[Miss Muffet]

As far as I can tell, that's not true. There are no laws like that. How can you prohibit victim's family from cremating the victim? You are going to punish them again?

I didn't say it was true. I said that's what I expect. Laws aren't the be all and end all of what I think is right and wrong or should happen in life.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

If the driving lesson/road rage story ever actually happened, then yes, I would think that one of them would have called RM at some point. I would also think that someone would have called 911 at some point.

But there's not even a single tiny shred of evidence supporting the driving lesson/road rage story. I'm still looking for any bit of evidence, no matter how small, to support that story.

There is circumstantial evidence that the Buick was doing something at the school, disappeared for an indeterminate period of time and then re-appeared at the school some time later based on what EN is alleged to have said. It doesn't have to be driving lesson/road rage for the Buick to have had an encounter with the silver car, returned home and then went to the school. A disappearing re-appearing car does not limit the reasons for this happening to only two reasons.

 

[Miss Muffet]

My .45 has 410 bullets, but I'm sure we have some .45 bullets here. This makes me want to go fire my gun outside (I live in a rural area) to see how loud it sounds.

This chart compares loudness of various firearms to other firearms.

http://www.freehearingtest.com/hia_gunfirenoise.shtml

This charge lists the loudness of other types of noises.

http://www.freehearingtest.com/noiselimits.shtml

Gunfire is louder than a space rocket blastoff and a jackhammer.

But you should go shoot your 45 for FUN anyway!

 

[sonjay]

There is circumstantial evidence that the Buick was doing something at the school, disappeared for an indeterminate period of time and then re-appeared at the school some time later based on what EN is alleged to have said. It doesn't have to be driving lesson/road rage for the Buick to have had an encounter with the silver car, returned home and then went to the school. A disappearing re-appearing car does not limit the reasons for this happening to only two reasons.

But there's nothing in the descriptions by EN's friends that suggests the green car left and came back! There's no circumstantial evidence. There's no physical evidence.

 

[sonjay]

Read your first sentence to me and you'll see that I didn't put words into your mouth. If you hadn't gone out of your way to say that evidence wasn't gotten rid of, I wouldn't have said what I did.

Please quote, exactly, the sentence you say I wrote. I find no sentence written by me in which I said or implied that it's okay to get rid of evidence.