GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #5

[SStarr33]

Someone give me one good reason the DA would subpoena Bob.

That's what I thought.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Yes, I noticed that and I wondered if a parent gets the subpoena for a minor child

That's a good point. I hadn't thought about that possibility. I thought the DA was having trouble with words again.

 

[ontheclock]

She never said "few minutes." So no, she didn't.

Thanks for the clarification. You're correct, she answered affirmatively that it was "some minutes", not a "few minutes".

 

[sonjay]

Yes, I had commented at the time as that also didn't make sense as LE/DA would have to know affirmatively that the Audi driver knew EN didn't live around there. Also the Meyers themselves said they knew that based on social media before then. Any number of people may have known, which it seemed weird to make such a definitive statement in addition to the shooting near his house of course making national news.

At that point (when ZA & KK called Crimestoppers), EN had not yet been arrested and his name had not appeared in the media in connection with the case.

So the point is that ZA & KK weren't just some cranks who heard about it on the news and decided to call Crimestoppers and make up a whole story about EN coming to their apartment that night. They were people with information about the shooting who had to have gotten that info from someone who did know. The world didn't know, is the point. It could have been worded better, but I see nothing suspicious about the underlying point being made, which is that ZA & KK weren't random cranks. They got their information from someone who knew.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I would like to see how you can claim to know. I don't know anything of the sort.

Does that mean you believe TM stalked the wrong car?

 

[Miss Muffet]

She never said "few minutes." So no, she didn't.

Few minutes. Some minutes. Synonyms.

 

[Miss Muffet]

At that point (when ZA & KK called Crimestoppers), EN had not yet been arrested and his name had not appeared in the media in connection with the case.

So the point is that ZA & KK weren't just some cranks who heard about it on the news and decided to call Crimestoppers and make up a whole story about EN coming to their apartment that night. They were people with information about the shooting who had to have gotten that info from someone who did know. The world didn't know, is the point. It could have been worded better, but I see nothing suspicious about the underlying point being made, which is that ZA & KK weren't random cranks. They got their information from someone who knew.

We know what point KK called Crimestoppers. She says in the testimony that she called AFTER she saw a the news reports in the media that were similar to what he described. Of course, they got some information from somewhere other than the media, but portions of their testimony could have come from what they read/heard via the media without their even realizing it. It's important to distinguish which information came from him and which came from the media because their statements are what lead to EN's arrest. I'd love to know the dates they were questioned and their statements were taken.

 

[ontheclock]

Let me try this another way. KM did testify that something unusual happened when practice driving with her mom in the parking lot, the "unusual" situation involved a guy. In addition, something unusual happened when they left the parking lot, the "unusual" situation involved a car. Can we infer the two unusual instances are related?

 

[SStarr33]

We know what point KK called Crimestoppers. She says in the testimony that she called AFTER she saw a the news reports in the media that were similar to what he described. Of course, they got some information from somewhere other than the media, but portions of their testimony could have come from what they read/heard via the media without their even realizing it. It's important to distinguish which information came from him and which came from the media because their statements are what lead to EN's arrest. I'd love to know the dates they were questioned and their statements were taken.

They called the police and were questioned on Saturday

 

[Miss Muffet]

They called the police and were questioned on Saturday

Saturday the 15th might be the first day, but I'll bet it's not only day they were questioned.

EN wasn't arrested until Thursday the 19th.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

We know what point KK called Crimestoppers. She says in the testimony that she called AFTER she saw a the news reports in the media that were similar to what he described. Of course, they got some information from somewhere other than the media, but portions of their testimony could have come from what they read/heard via the media without their even realizing it. It's important to distinguish which information came from him and which came from the media because their statements are what lead to EN's arrest. I'd love to know the dates they were questioned and their statements were taken.

I'd love to know what 'social media' was out there that resulted in the Meyers going to EN's on 2/15 without police knowing about that. Either any number of people knew before it hit the MSM or the Meyers knew all along and intentionally sent LE on a wild goose chase: "Robert Meyers also acknowledged going with two sons to Nowsch's home on Feb. 15 to speak with his mother, Kathleen Nowsch. Erich Nowsch wasn't home. Meyers said they wanted to know if social media accounts of Nowsch being involved in the shooting were true."
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2015/feb/26/defense-slaying-neighborhood-mom-wants-gunshot-res/

 

[jjenny]

Few minutes. Some minutes. Synonyms.

Nope.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I'd love to know what 'social media' was out there that resulted in the Meyers going to EN's on 2/15 without police knowing about that. Either any number of people knew before it hit the MSM or the Meyers knew all along and intentionally sent LE on a wild goose chase: "Robert Meyers also acknowledged going with two sons to Nowsch's home on Feb. 15 to speak with his mother, Kathleen Nowsch. Erich Nowsch wasn't home. Meyers said they wanted to know if social media accounts of Nowsch being involved in the shooting were true."
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2015/feb/26/defense-slaying-neighborhood-mom-wants-gunshot-res/

That's true. BM heard about this prior or on February 15th via social media. It's possible EN didn't tell KK and ZA much and they put two and two together or the information they had was pulled from many sources.

Maybe he showed them his guns and ammo to simply show them off since they were a recent purchase. Maybe they heard the weird details of the Audi via the grapevine. I just can't believe that's a detail EN told them. Maybe he never said it was near his house, and the just added that when they saw the news that it was near his house.

The part about the first shooting scene near the park might not have been released to the media but everyone in that neighborhood most certainly knew about it, and I'll bet the Meyerses children's friends heard about it when they reached out to their friends for emotional support.

I'm not saying EN didn't tell them some things, but it's questionable to me how much he really did tell. Why did they wait to call the police until after they saw it in the news? I'll bet KK and ZA talked to many of their friends sharing what EN had told them, and they in turn learned some additional details via what the grapevine was saying.

This doesn't mean that the details weren't accurate, but it gives them more credibility having so much information in two witness. Some of the very information used to corroborate their stories could have been something they heard elsewhere.

 

[jjenny]

Oh jeez. Now everybody is lying except for the poor saintly EN. Who didn't tell anybody anything. Why would his friends want to claim he told him he killed someone if he didn't?

 

[Miss Muffet]

Oh jeez. Now everybody is lying except for the poor saintly EN. Who didn't tell anybody anything. Why would his friends want to claim he told him he killed someone if he didn't?

I didn't say he didn't tell anyone anything.

 

[sonjay]

Does that mean you believe TM stalked the wrong car?

As you know, I personally believe that TM stalked exactly the person she was looking for.

But for those who believe KM's little tale of driving lessons and road rage, I think it would be far more believable that TM found and identified the wrong car than to think that she somehow magically found exactly the car that had road-raged her earlier.

I just took a Google Street View tour of the main roads in that area. I couldn't count the number of 4-door grey and silver sedans. There are loads of them! Add to that total all of the light-colored cars that would appear grey or silver at night.

When the detail first broke that TM & BM had set out with BM's gun to look for the road rage car, everyone was commenting on how unlikely it would be that she would be able to go out and find the exact car that she had just been road raging with.

Well, it turns out all those doubters are right. She didn't.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I'd love to know what 'social media' was out there that resulted in the Meyers going to EN's on 2/15 without police knowing about that. Either any number of people knew before it hit the MSM or the Meyers knew all along and intentionally sent LE on a wild goose chase:

I can tell you where not to waste your time. I already started hunting well over a week ago for this chatter. I looked at twitter accounts for over 300 people in a certain age range associated with a specific social group. Nothing. I concluded that people in that age range are only concerned with themselves on twitter and gave up the search in that age range on twitter. I couldn't think of a way to isolate a social group in other age ranges on twitter. I felt Facebook would be more likely to have chatter since it's slightly less self absorbed than twitter and has a little more depth, but I never got around to looking there.

 

[Miss Muffet]

As you know, I personally believe that TM stalked exactly the person she was looking for.

I'm sorry. I don't think they're that evil and calculated. I just think they are utterly and completely stupid. I believe there was premedication, but I don't believe they are sophisticated enough to have quickly established the complete fairytale that would be necessary for your theory to work.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Don't forget to check Bob's FB PMs.

It's doubtful this chatter was given communicated directly to RM. RM isn't socializing with young adults on FB. It's more likely his children heard the chatter on social media and told him about it. After all, they're in the same age group as EN.

 

[OtterPops]

This is what bothers me after reading the first half of the GJ transcript: KM says no tinted windows, one person in car, she sees him clearly when he stands in the headlights, does not know him but she is sure it's not EN. She then helps make suspect sketch. Then BM testifies the car he is engaged with has tinted windows, two people, etc. THEN the detective takes the stand, looks at the sketch and says, "Yup, that's EN." No, it's not!! It's clearly not. What's up with all this... confusion??

And, of course, maybe I'm misreading or misinterpreting something.


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