GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #5

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As I understood it the Audi went west on Alta and the Buick went west on Cherry River. On or about intersecting Carmel is when TM said to go north Cimarron and then east on Cherry.

The only way I can see the Audi running into the Buick on Cherry River, is if the Audi drove off before the Buick did, meaning the Audi shoots at Buick then flees while Buick waits awhile before fleeing, then I can see them running into each other on Cherry River with those directions that you just stated. I can not see it that way if the Buick fled the scene first or even at the same time as the Audi because, again, the Audi would be taking the long way home instead of the short cut.
 
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Three minutes is plenty of time for premeditation. Defense has LOTS of work to do on this.
It's not necessarily three minutes since the "estimated shooting time" is an estimate, and the car was on Cherry River less than 3 minutes AFTER the estimate time of the shooting heading towards Mt. Shasta. That means the estimated time of the shooting is inaccurate or the time on the video is slightly off (which can be easily checked for accuracy, btw). That Audi ended up on Mt. Shasta immediately after it was in the video on Mt. Shasta turning onto Mt. Carmel. It doesn't take 3 minutes to get from that intersection to the Meyers house. It takes seconds.
 
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The time of the shooting was published in the media early on. The video itself has a time stamp.

I don't need police to put two and two together for me to figure out at what point in events the Audi was on Cherry River.

Yes, I understand it was published that police were dispatched at appx 11:25. However, that does not answer my question.

ETA, not to mention that we don't know if they have checked the accuracy of the time stamp on the video yet.
 
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Then you should have states so in the post. Because in some states it would be perfectly legal for an original aggressor to shoot and kill in the hypothetical situation you came up with.

The hypothetical was in response to what happened in this particular Nevada case - specifically if the Meyers would have more of a right to claim self-defense since EN shot first on Villa Monterey, which that is included in my post in quotes as I did not leave out what I was responding to.
 
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Have LE abandoned the "road rage" and sean of the crime?
 
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The hypothetical was in response to what happened in this particular Nevada case - specifically if the Meyers would have more of a right to claim self-defense since EN shot first on Villa Monterey, which that is included in my post in quotes as I did not leave out what I was responding to.

At the point TM was shot, Meyers already retreated. So that situation doesn't apply to them. They wouldn't have a right to stand their ground at the first shooting scene because they were the "original" aggressor at that scene. But they are allowed to retreat. Which they did. They left the scene and went home. They didn't stand their ground at the first shooting scene.
 
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The only way I can see the Audi running into the Buick on Cherry River, is if the Audi drove off before the Buick did, meaning the Audi shoots at Buick then flees while Buick waits awhile before fleeing, then I can see them running into each other on Cherry River with those directions that you just stated. I can not see it that way if the Buick fled the scene first or even at the same time as the Audi because, again, the Audi would be taking the long way home instead of the short cut.

In responding to you I just noticed a difference between EN's and BM's statements. EN (per Mogg) says he started firing because the Buick wouldn't stop following them and only after that did the Buick stop and put it in reverse while BM says the car stopped first and then the shots came. EN says the Buick left first while BM says the Audi left first. EN says he saw the Buick as he was on Alta and the Buick was on Cherry River.
 
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At the point TM was shot, Meyers already retreated. So that situation doesn't apply to them. They wouldn't have a right to stand their ground at the first shooting scene because they were the "original" aggressor at that scene. But they are allowed to retreat. Which they did. They left the scene and went home. They didn't stand their ground at the first shooting scene.

Which was what I said in that the Villa Monterey didn't give them any additional legal rights as EN had a right to shoot the first time, but just because the Meyers didn't gain any rights from the first shooting it didn't make EN's shooting on Mt Shasta legal...the Meyers didn't need additional rights to make EN's actions illegal.
 
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Have LE abandoned the "road rage" and sean of the crime?

No, the crime still happened on Mt. Shasta. The road rage was a different person.
 
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I should have been more clear. The sean of the minor car accident...they have abandoned this.

They've sort of split the baby in saying there was a death threat around Cimarron and Westcliff, but there was no actual accident preceding the threat and that it is totally unrelated to EN.
 
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They've sort of split the baby in saying there was a death threat around Cimarron and Westcliff, but there was no actual accident preceding the threat and that it is totally unrelated to EN.
We must clarify this further. The DA now saying the M's lives were threatened by someone in one grey/silver car, and minutes later they were killed by someone in a different grey/silver car. Never mind the odds of having two people in two different grey/silver cars wanting you dead within the same time period. Oh, and the occupants of those two grey/silver cars are unrelated to each other.
 
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They've sort of split the baby in saying there was a death threat around Cimarron and Westcliff, but there was no actual accident preceding the threat and that it is totally unrelated to EN.

Split the baby is right. I would not want to be the DA in this trial. M1 is over charging. They seemed trapped within the varying scenarios offered up by the M family. Now we learn of an identical road rage incident with the car speeding up on TM. This family...each time they try to smooth over a hole in their story, they wind up with yet another hole. The DA has got to be seething by now.
 
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We must clarify this further. The DA now saying the M's lives were threatened by someone in one grey/silver car, and minutes later they were killed by someone in a different grey/silver car. Never mind the odds of having two people in two different grey/silver cars wanting you dead within the same time period. Oh, and the occupants of those two grey/silver cars are unrelated to each other.
I think I know who was driving the first car...my aunt fanny.
 
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I don't know how the SYG rule would stand up to EN either. He's claiming self defense isn't he? Where is the self defense? If anything I would say the Meyers have more of a "right" to claim self defense since they were shot at the 1st time around and EN, in his statement said he wasn't shot at.

So the Meyers, after being shot at the 1st time, now sees the same car who shot at them driving on "their" cul-de-sac, is going to stand out in the street and yell at the car to get off their street????????? ok, I guess if I had too many glasses of martinis that might make sense..

He is going to claim self defense because what else can he claim?

I haven't posted much on this case, but I do read the posts everyday. :) I am totally fascinated how anyone could think EN has a viable self defense argument. That has been more interesting to read than the tragic case itself.

First, EN is known to be paranoid according to his friends. Imo, it shows he was up to no good and that brought on the paranoia and if he was doing drugs that would make his paranoia even worse.

So, what if LE has the camera footage of the school parking lot, and it shows no one in the Myers car pointing a gun at anyone? And I do believe Tammy was giving Kristal driving lessons and so does the DA. I thought she and Brandon both did very well in answering the questions in front of the GJ.

If there is footage and it shows no gun was flashed at anytime when T&K was in the parking lot, ENs story will start to crumble fast and I expect it will.

I do believe the jury will believe the Audi driver made threatening statements to T&K. Its going to be a rather strange case because it shows even though EN knows who the driver is he is protecting him from prosecution. That adds to him being a protector of criminals for the Audi driver would be charged with murder also since he was the driver. I think the jury will frown on anyone that protects their homies from prosecution.

Then we have the first shooting scene. Following behind someone in a vehicle is not against the law. There is no evidence at the first scene that Brandon fired his weapon even though shots were fired toward them repeatedly showing that EN was the aggressor. Even though EN shot at Brandon he did not return fire showing he was not the aggressive one in this nightmare.

But the first violent confrontation wasn't good enough for EN and the driver. They didn't go to ENs home and cool down. They continued to pursue the Myers car and occupants. Again the defendant and driver were the aggressors.

It doesn't matter that the Myers home sits on a cul-de-sac or on a rural road. What matters legally is Brandon, and Tammy were back on their own property when the second onslaught of shots was fired by the aggressor (EN) who came to their home with intentions to shoot them.

Brandon Myers had ever legal right to protect himself and his mother. If he had killed EN he would have done so in self defense and IMO, no charges would be filed against him. Sadly, he only fired three shots, none of them striking either occupants of the Audi.

The self defense claim by ENs lawyers is a farce, but I do understand they have to claim something. The self defense law is clear, and the jury will get it, and know in no way was EN defending himself, but was the aggressor/pursuer at the time Tammy was murdered.

EN and/or the unknown driver were the aggressors three times over.

1. Driver cuts off TM and threatens to do them harm. Aggressive/threats #1
2. EN shoots several times at the Myers vehicle at the first shooting location even though no gunfire was returned by Brandon at that scene. Even EN said the occupants of the other vehicle didn't return fire. EN, by shooting multiple times was the aggressor. (#2)
3. Then EN and unknown driver purposefully continue to pursue the Myers even though the Myers had retreated to the safety of their own home, and EN opened fire while Tammy and Brandon were on their own property resulting in the premeditated murder of Tammy, and attempted premeditated murder of Brandon. EN and driver were the aggressors for the #3 time.

Since I have read newer news articles now, I feel Tammy Myers couldn't stand anyone who was a bully. Imo, it was one of her pet peeves. Perhaps she was bullied severely in school herself or her children were, but this is the one thing that would set her off. IMO

I have seen/read other stories about moms or dads confronting bullies that had bullied their child, children or someone in their neighborhood. I have also read of others following people in their vehicle when they felt the occupants had done something wrong.

JMO though.........
 
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Split the baby is right. I would not want to be the DA in this trial. M1 is over charging. They seemed trapped within the varying scenarios offered up by the M family. Now we learn of an identical road rage incident with the car speeding up on TM. This family...each time they try to smooth over a hole in their story, they wind up with yet another hole.

And the family on top of that said TM just recently had another road rage incident where she allegedly followed a gang member home:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/column...n-tammy-meyers-was-mom-people-would-want-have
Surprisingly enough this came out voluntarily by the Meyers without EN's defense having to do any cross-examining to find this out. Unless they want EN to get off with a slap on the wrist, they really should be quite and let the legal system work its way through as all these out of court statements aren't exactly helping the prosecution.
 
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