GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #5

[BellaVita]

Quote Originally Posted by PaperDoll View Post

Well I'm going to answer with MOO Gang war or not, a woman/mother/wife was killed in this process while on her own property (yes, the driveway is her own property not the publics). They were fleeing the 1st shooting scene,

I'm pretty sure that at the first shooting scene the M's were chasing the silver car. I'm open for debate if I'm wrong.

 

[BellaVita]

If EN doesn't know that anyone shot at him, how is he going to claim self-defense?
What was he defending himself from?
At the first scene, only .45 caliber bullets were found. BM didn't shoot at him then.
Why would EN follow BM and TM to begin with, if he didn't intend to shoot them some more?

The M's followed the Audi first.

 

[jjenny]

The M's followed the Audi first.

It makes no difference because that doesn't give him the right to follow them back and kill TM. There is no self-defense laws by which you can follow someone and kill them, even if they followed you first.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I want to thank PaperDoll and Oceanblueeyes for providing well thought out, detailed, rational and reasonable posts for the EN-is-guilty side of this discussion. Although I believe EN acted in self defense, it's always a breath of fresh air to read both of your posts.

 

[BellaVita]

I don't read Facebook because I feel that it's cesspool of hate, rumors and false information. I still don't understand your comment about Brandon being incompetent with a firearm.

How does someone thinking he's a bad***, exhibiting a gun on Facebook or bragging make him incompetent with a firearm? Competency with a firearm has nothing to do with any of that in my opinion.

His bragging and exhibitionism isn't what makes him incompetent. The facts show him to be incompetent. I doubt I would ever find myself in the position that the M's found themselves to be in on February 12, but I darn well know that if I was driving and my husband was in the passenger seat with his legally concealed gun and we just happened to be involved in road rage incident with someone firing his gun at us----I know my husband would manage more than an unspent shell casing. Brandon choked when it mattered most. IMO.

 

[PaperDoll]

Which Meyers story do you believe???? There have been many!!!! Innocent people tell the truth. There is not a twisted maze leading to nowhere. There are a few on this board defending the M's till death do you part. I just want to know how you all explain not just inconsistencies but bald-faced huge lies. What is the reason for all this cover-up???? Sorry, just want to know.

Well what was the reason EN lied to the police the 1st time when they asked him where is was that evening? EN said he was at a recording studio with a friend, the friend said EN wasn't with them at a recording studio. The police asked him if he knew anything about the killing, EN lied and said he didn't know anything. So, EN lied, too.. His story changed. So why should he get a pass for lying?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

It makes no difference because that doesn't give him the right to follow them back and kill TM. There is no self-defense laws by which you can follow someone and kill them, even if they followed you first.

I agree. I don't understand how following someone is considered a life threatening event. Going to someones house after they followed you and killing them is premeditated murder IMO.

 

[BellaVita]

Well what was the reason EN lied to the police the 1st time when they asked him where is was that evening? EN said he was at a recording studio with a friend, the friend said EN wasn't with them at a recording studio. The police asked him if he knew anything about the killing, EN lied and said he didn't know anything. So, EN lied, too.. His story changed. So why should he get a pass for lying?

HE DOES NOT GET A PASS FOR LYING! We know why EN lied. He didn't want a murder rap. We all get that. Stop deflecting and explain the huge lies the M's have told. That's all I ask for.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

His bragging and exhibitionism isn't what makes him incompetent. The facts show him to be incompetent. I doubt I would ever find myself in the position that the M's found themselves to be in on February 12, but I darn well know that if I was driving and my husband was in the passenger seat with his legally concealed gun and we just happened to be involved in road rage incident with someone firing his gun at us----I know my husband would manage more than an unspent shell casing. Brandon choked when it mattered most. IMO.

Actually it could mean that he didn't have a clear shot at the assailants and he didn't want stray bullets to injure or kill innocent neighbors. That shows good firearm competency to me.

I have to disagree that the facts show Brandon to be incompetent with firearms.

JMO

 

[BellaVita]

Actually it could mean that he didn't have a clear shot at the assailants and he didn't want stray bullets to injure or kill innocent neighbors. That shows good firearm competency to me.

I have to disagree that the facts show Brandon to be incompetent with firearms.

JMO

Yes, all the forthrightness the M's have shown leads me to believe they are level-headed, upstanding people. Of course, if BM was competent in firearms, there would likely not be an unspent shell casing and he may have figured out how to fire a shot without harming others on the deserted streets. Still have not heard an explanation for all the lies. Would love a theory. Thanks.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Yes, all the forthrightness the M's have shown leads me to believe they are level-headed, upstanding people. Of course, if BM was competent in firearms, there would likely not be an unspent shell casing and he may have figured out how to fire a shot without harming others on the deserted streets. Still have not heard an explanation for all the lies. Would love a theory. Thanks.

Looks like we will have to agree to disagree on the firearm competency issue.

I don't think that any lies that the Meyers may have said absolve Erich from being guilty of premeditated murder so I'm not too concerned about why they lied.

Sorry, no theory on that subject from me right now.

 

[PaperDoll]

However both according EN as well as BM and nominally the CCTV footage the Audi came southbound from Cherry River rather than going northbound from Alta. EN was telling the Audi driver how to get to his own home where the fastest way to get to his home after having passed it in parallel on Alta is to go up Cimarron and then take Cherry River. There is a not inconsiderable time lapse if after passing Carmel Peak you go up Cimarron, turn on Cherry River then turn on Carmel Peak and then finally turn on Mt Shasta and longer EN is past his home and continuing on Alta before he has the driver turn around to go to his place, the longer it would have been. If EN had the driver do a U-turn just past Cimarron according to Google Maps it would take about 2 minutes to get to Mt Shasta after the Audi made the U-turn if it went to Cherry River first. It would be a lot simpler if the Audi had just gone northbound from Alta onto Carmel Peak and then right to Mt Shasta, but instead I'm seeing at least a minute (if the Audi was driving really fast) where I don't see why in that time the Meyers weren't already out of the car and inside their home with the door locked and on the phone with the police by the time the Audi would have arrived there.

My head is spinning on this..lol.. I'm trying to figure this out because in my confused mind the way EN took to Cherry River is a longer way to get home. So EN took Alta towards Cimarron going westbound, to me westbound would be Alta going towards Cimarron, Cimarron would be going either north or south and if he took a right on Cimarron, he would be traveling North, but he doesn't say that. EN says as they are traveling westbound "No, this can't be happening, this can't be happening." then Mogg says: "he describes how the car was coming, the green car the victim was in was coming down the street" Mogg also said "He said they continued westbound and he said that he couldn't believe they were driving past his house." So, again, to me westbound is still driving on Alta towards Cimarron, Alta and Cherry River runs the same direction so if he was driving westbound on Cherry River, that means he came off of Villa Monterey, eastbound would be coming off Cimarron going towards the park/school. So, again, I hope I'm making sense.. lol

Mogg:At that point he said
the car that was following him had stopped and actually
backed up and he and the other male drove westbound on
Alta towards Cimarron. He said as he was driving
westbound with the other male, he says "No, this can't
be happening, this can't be happening." And he
describes how the car was coming, the green car the
victim was in, was coming down the street. And based on
my knowledge of the scene, the location of the victim's
residence, the location of his residence where he would
have been at approximately the time that the victim was
driving westbound on Cherry River, basically paralleling
him to try to get home, he would have seen that car
coming down from Cherry River onto Carmel Peak probably
prior to or just as it turned into the Mount Shasta
cul-de-sac. He said they continued westbound and he
said that he couldn't believe they were driving past his
house. His house is further to the west on Cherry River
than Carmel Peak. So they turned around and they came
back and he said "I know a left turn, a shortcut to get
to my house," something to that effect. They come back
into the cul-de-sac on Mount Shasta where the victim was
shot.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

It wasn't a joke. My son calls it accountancy. I swear I didn't even think that was a word. I call it driving a big truck. By any label, there's a real phenomena of people overcompensating for all sorts of shortcomings and they tend to brag and exaggerate. Why else would BM want the world to know he's got a big gun?

I'm really disapointed that you don't understand why I feel you post is inapporpriate for Websleuths. Saying it isn't a joke makes it more hurtful. Sterotypes like that are bad IMO.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I'm really disapointed that you don't understand why I feel you post is inapporpriate for Websleuths. Saying it isn't a joke makes it more hurtful. Sterotypes like that are bad IMO.

It's not a stereotype. I believe he's overcompensating for something. You have a dirty mind to assume I mean his penis. The shortcoming could be anything; hence, the :thinking: because I'm wondering what's causing him to brag and exaggerate.

 

[BellaVita]

I agree. I don't understand how following someone is considered a life threatening event. Going to someones house after they followed you and killing them is premeditated murder IMO.

That is an excellent point about following someone. EN had every right to be on Mt. Shasta. And to be following anybody on that street. BIG QUESTION: WHO FIRED FIRST ON MT. SHASTA? If BM fired first, then it is self-defense for EN. In most standard jury instructions, where there is an event/statement that can plausibly lean toward defense or prosecution, the jury is required to give benefit of the doubt to the defendant. If it cannot be proven who fired first, EN may have reasonable doubt. Could very well come down to just that.

 

[sonjay]

We must clarify this further. The DA now saying the M's lives were threatened by someone in one grey/silver car, and minutes later they were killed by someone in a different grey/silver car. Never mind the odds of having two people in two different grey/silver cars wanting you dead within the same time period. Oh, and the occupants of those two grey/silver cars are unrelated to each other.

TM seemed to have that effect on people.

She allegedly hated bullies, but I think she behaved like something of a bully herself. Who takes her son and his gun to out and hunt down someone who merely yelled at you?

 

[SStarr33]

My head is spinning on this..lol.. I'm trying to figure this out because in my confused mind the way EN took to Cherry River is a longer way to get home. So EN took Alta towards Cimarron going westbound, to me westbound would be Alta going towards Cimarron, Cimarron would be going either north or south and if he took a right on Cimarron, he would be traveling North, but he doesn't say that. EN says as they are traveling westbound "No, this can't be happening, this can't be happening." then Mogg says: "he describes how the car was coming, the green car the victim was in was coming down the street" Mogg also said "He said they continued westbound and he said that he couldn't believe they were driving past his house." So, again, to me westbound is still driving on Alta towards Cimarron, Alta and Cherry River runs the same direction so if he was driving westbound on Cherry River, that means he came off of Villa Monterey, eastbound would be coming off Cimarron going towards the park/school. So, again, I hope I'm making sense.. lol

How long do you think it would take EN to drive from where they were on Villa Monteray to Mt Shasta taking Alta, Cimmaron, Cherry river, Camel Peak?

 

[SStarr33]

It's not a stereotype. I believe he's overcompensating for something. You have a dirty mind to assume I mean his penis. The shortcoming could be anything; hence, the :thinking: because I'm wondering what's causing him to brag and exaggerate.

Just stop it.

 

[PaperDoll]

Quote Originally Posted by PaperDoll View Post

Well I'm going to answer with MOO Gang war or not, a woman/mother/wife was killed in this process while on her own property (yes, the driveway is her own property not the publics). They were fleeing the 1st shooting scene,

I'm pretty sure that at the first shooting scene the M's were chasing the silver car. I'm open for debate if I'm wrong.

As OceanBlueEyes pointed out, what is wrong with following a car? Is there a law against it? The Buick was in the school parking lot for whatever reason, EN was at the park across the street for whatever reason. EN assumed they were out to get him, when IMO if they were really out to get him, they would have gotten him while he was in the park. In fact the Buick really didn't need to be at the school if they were out to get EN, they could have pulled up along the park street, why be across the street? Yes, we know BM and TM went out looking for the road rager guy, and apparently found them parked along the street and pulled up behind them and the chase began. but BM never shot at them and EN did. The Audi could have continued driving instead of stopping and taking shots. They could have driven away from their neighborhood, maybe the Buick would have stopped following them, who knows? Again, EN was the one who fired the 1st shots and continued to the 2nd shooting and fired off more rounds. Who did BM shoot? Did anyone die from BM's gun?

 

[SStarr33]

That is an excellent point about following someone. EN had every right to be on Mt. Shasta. And to be following anybody on that street. BIG QUESTION: WHO FIRED FIRST ON MT. SHASTA? If BM fired first, then it is self-defense for EN. In most standard jury instructions, where there is an event/statement that can plausibly lean toward defense or prosecution, the jury is required to give benefit of the doubt to the defendant. If it cannot be proven who fired first, EN may have reasonable doubt. Could very well come down to just that.

No, it comes down to if EN felt his life was threatened at that moment by a gun and he said he never heard any shots, so he is going to prison for life.