GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #6

[SpanishInquisition]

Exactly!! So DDA will say the "road rage" incident is irrelevant and not admissible in this trial...Judge agrees! hmm

Then how will they explain being out looking for someone and carrying a gun?? isn't this conspiracy to commit murder?

Can a jury convict DA/EN with not allowing the BS road rage story?

HELP!

Leaving out the first part, then you just have TM and BM out cruising the town armed and decide to chase a car for no reason. I guess it is a matter of which is worse - having a weird story about chasing the wrong car after getting armed up or having a weird story about chasing a car for no reason.

 

[LancelotLink]

I've missed WS and you guys are the best at sleuthing, which I enjoy! I am also grateful they still have the ignore button. :happydance:

 

[SpanishInquisition]

LOL, following someone with a gun is conspiracy to commit murder??

That depends on whether your last name is Meyers or Nowsch.

 

[Miss Muffet]

LOL, following someone with a gun is conspiracy to commit murder??

Meyers Derangement Syndrome is strong here.

"Get your gun. We're going to find this guy who threatened to kill us, and stop him before he comes to our house to do it."

How do you think they were going to stop someone from coming to their house to kill them? Talk nicely to him?

It's a conspiracy to commit murder when they could have called police from the safety of their home. They weren't in eminent danger.

EN on the other hand was suddenly chased by a buick brandishing a handgun and didn't have the time to call the police. He was in eminent danger.

 

[LancelotLink]

Exactly!! So DDA will say the "road rage" incident is irrelevant and not admissible in this trial...Judge agrees! hmm

Then how will they explain being out looking for someone and carrying a gun?? isn't this conspiracy to commit murder?

Can a jury convict DA/EN with not allowing the BS road rage story?

HELP!

Will the jury be able to put if from their minds? I did, because I never believed it, but many here still can't let that go, so I can't imagine it will be easier for the jury. They will have to sit a jury that doesn't know much of the case...which will be next to impossible, because everyone heard the first version. Then what will they say? Why was TM after EN? Did she need an after party treat? Did she spend all her money at Chucky Cheese birthday party? EN refuse to front her anything? WHAT possible reason are they going to give? Will they claim that KM was seeing EN? It will be interesting.

 

[sonjay]

I don't feel bad for the LVDA, but I could.
He has ridden the media hype of a callous road age murder of a mom, calls her Tammy, over charged the suspects and before the ink was dried, his star, only witnesses show the world hat callous little liars they are. If I were him, I'd be very embarrassed. Media has been clawing for the getaway diver gangbanger and what turns up? <modsnip>

LE and the DA should have waited before making their definitive statements about what happened. Very very early on in this case &#8212; within the first couple of days &#8212; the comments on all the news articles showed that lots of people could tell there was a lot more to the story than what was being said. Including right here on this forum. It's interesting to go back and look at the first few pages of the first thread on this case; everyone's hinky-meter is going off big-time. The DA absolutely should have known not to take the Meyers' story at face value.

Yes, he should be embarrassed. I hope he has enough sense to be embarrassed, but I'm not seeing any signs of that.

 

[sonjay]

Will the jury be able to put if from their minds? I did, because I never believed it, but many here still can't let that go, so I can't imagine it will be easier for the jury. They will have to sit a jury that doesn't know much of the case...which will be next to impossible, because everyone heard the first version. Then what will they say? Why was TM after EN? Did she need an after party treat? Did she spend all her money at Chucky Cheese birthday party? EN refuse to front her anything? WHAT possible reason are they going to give? Will they claim that KM was seeing EN? It will be interesting.

I can put the road rage out of my mind because I never believed it in the first place.

I'm still hoping to find out why TM & BM really set out that night with BM's gun. I'm 100% certain it wasn't because of any road rage.

 

[LancelotLink]

LE and the DA should have waited before making their definitive statements about what happened. Very very early on in this case &#8212; within the first couple of days &#8212; the comments on all the news articles showed that lots of people could tell there was a lot more to the story than what was being said. Including right here on this forum. It's interesting to go back and look at the first few pages of the first thread on this case; everyone's hinky-meter is going off big-time. The DA absolutely should have known not to take the Meyers' story at face value.

Yes, he should be embarrassed. I hope he has enough sense to be embarrassed, but I'm not seeing any signs of that.

Yep. Ahhh, the hinky meter. An old saying here, Where there's hink, there's stink.

 

[LancelotLink]

So, I am used to defense attorneys coming up with some far fetched defenses, but the prosecution? How are they going to prove or explain the now unexplainable. With the lie, they at least had a shot.

 

[al66pine]

....And OT: why do houses in thesouthwest have garages as the first thing you see at the house?
In front of the house? Around my part of the country, garages are to the side or back of the house. Wondered if the heat had anything to do with that.

bbm sbm

O/T: known, somewhat derisively, as snout house.*
Home where garage is "first thing you see at the house" where garage projects further into front yard than rest of home, which is set back.
Not a geographic phenomenon, as I've seen some in the South, in Texas, in Midwest. Think they were commonly built in mid1980s- 90s.
Often in condos or single fam home developments w small lots, city-sized lots or zero-lot line properties, where 'living areas' patios, entertainment areas are in backyards only. Think --- homeowners drive into garage, park there, never see ppl next door, are outside only in fenced or walled backyards. AFAIK, nothing to do w heat, but could be. Maybe somebody more knowledgeable will speak up & enlighten us.

* Kinda, sorta the opposite image, compared to modern developments designed to mimic idealized olde-timey, tree-lined, Small Town USA, cozy neighborhoods w ppl sitting on front porch swings while drinking lemonade & talking w ppl pushing baby buggies on after dinner strolls.

* ETA: I s/h/consulted my friend Mr.Wiki, before answering: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snout_house
Also: http://web.archive.org/web/20060217104114/http://user.gru.net/domz/snout.htm
Back on topic.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Where in the GJ testimony or the Criminal Complaint did EN said he thought he shot a gang member? Not to say I doubt that's what he thought, just this is stated for a fact that it's in the GJ transcripts:

Samuel Schwartz, attorney for the Meyers family, said this in a statement:
"It looks as if the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department has the driver. It is important to remember that there has been a good deal of speculation and publication of pure rumors about what motivated this killing. According to grand jury transcripts, Erich Nowsch admitted to a friend that he thought he was shooting a gang member. He told his friend he thought he had hit one of the people who were &#8220;after him.&#8221; Instead, he had killed a mother of four children, a wife, and her name has been tarnished by this kind of irresponsible speculation. Tammy Meyers and the Meyers family are the victims here."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/man-indicted-las-vegas-road-rage-shooting/story?id=29791848

 

[LancelotLink]

He's a fine one to talk about irresponsible speculation...pot, meet kettle.

May the Schwartz be with you.

 

[jjenny]

EN was in 2 different cars that evening, one for the shooting and one after.

He seems to be getting a lot of people to drive him around. I guess not surprising considering what his alleged occupation is.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I can put the road rage out of my mind because I never believed it in the first place.

I'm still hoping to find out why TM & BM really set out that night with BM's gun. I'm 100% certain it wasn't because of any road rage.

Yes, I want to know how much time lapsed between leaving the school and getting armed and if they were really on Durango after TM freaking out over seeing EN at the park walking around, why did they go all the way over there rather than straight home?

 

[SpanishInquisition]

So, I am used to defense attorneys coming up with some far fetched defenses, but the prosecution? How are they going to prove or explain the now unexplainable. With the lie, they at least had a shot.

It should do wonders for the tourist industry now that the DA has said residents can be armed stalkers:
A person who, without lawful authority, willfully or maliciously engages in a course of conduct that would cause a reasonable person to feel terrorized, frightened, intimidated, harassed or fearful for the immediate safety of a family or household member, and that actually causes the victim to feel terrorized, frightened, intimidated, harassed or fearful for the immediate safety of a family or household member, commits the crime of stalking. (NRS 200.575)
I wonder what a GJ would say about that if they were asked whether or not the Meyers engaged in a course of conduct that would cause a reasonable person to feel fearful by getting armed and chasing car. We know EN felt fearful, so the only question would be whether or not a jury would feel a reasonable person would be fearful with a car pulling up behind you then chasing you when you try to get away, but I guess LV wants to be Stalkers-R-Us.

 

[jjenny]

It should do wonders for the tourist industry now that the DA has said residents can be armed stalkers:
A person who, without lawful authority, willfully or maliciously engages in a course of conduct that would cause a reasonable person to feel terrorized, frightened, intimidated, harassed or fearful for the immediate safety of a family or household member, and that actually causes the victim to feel terrorized, frightened, intimidated, harassed or fearful for the immediate safety of a family or household member, commits the crime of stalking. (NRS 200.575)
I wonder what a GJ would say about that if they were asked whether or not the Meyers engaged in a course of conduct that would cause a reasonable person to feel fearful by getting armed and chasing car. We know EN felt fearful, so the only question would be whether or not a jury would feel a reasonable person would be fearful with a car pulling up behind you then chasing you when you try to get away, but I guess LV wants to be Stalkers-R-Us.

I wonder if somebody hanging out in the park allegedly selling drugs could be considered a "reasonable" person to begin with?

 

[jayme1133]

People were asking about DA's volunteer work or if it was mandatory community service?
Heres the answer.....

"Keep in mind the Volunteer Scholarship that CSN Serves offers for a student's collective volunteer hours!! $250 scholarships are awarded to 20 students for 2014/2015 school year, 40 volunteer hours (logged) and enrollment of 6 credit hours"

CSN Biology Club Secretary Derrick Andrews

 

[LancelotLink]

It should do wonders for the tourist industry now that the DA has said residents can be armed stalkers:
A person who, without lawful authority, willfully or maliciously engages in a course of conduct that would cause a reasonable person to feel terrorized, frightened, intimidated, harassed or fearful for the immediate safety of a family or household member, and that actually causes the victim to feel terrorized, frightened, intimidated, harassed or fearful for the immediate safety of a family or household member, commits the crime of stalking. (NRS 200.575)
I wonder what a GJ would say about that if they were asked whether or not the Meyers engaged in a course of conduct that would cause a reasonable person to feel fearful by getting armed and chasing car. We know EN felt fearful, so the only question would be whether or not a jury would feel a reasonable person would be fearful with a car pulling up behind you then chasing you when you try to get away, but I guess LV wants to be Stalkers-R-Us.

The new Welcome Wagon. I don't see how they will be able to rehabilitate KM's GJ testimony. The minor car accident, the threat, I will kill you and your daughter. From some random guy they at first did not know, then they did know and he knew where they lived, now they don't know.

 

[LancelotLink]

Where in the GJ testimony or the Criminal Complaint did EN said he thought he shot a gang member? Not to say I doubt that's what he thought, just this is stated for a fact that it's in the GJ transcripts:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/man-indicted-las-vegas-road-rage-shooting/story?id=29791848

Remind me, please. in the GJ transcript, at the first shooting sight didn't EN say he shot up? Not back?

 

[newone]

I wonder if somebody hanging out in the park allegedly selling drugs could be considered a "reasonable" person to begin with?

yes ..... and a side effect of that choice would have to be a bit of paranoia I would think......MOO

just want to clarify.....I see your point