GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #6

[sonjay]

Doesn't it make more sense that KM wasn't in the car at all and here was no driving lesson and no road rage and that BM was in the car with his gun all along and they went to confront EN about something?

That's what I've thought for a long time. There were no driving lessons; there was no road rage; there weren't two silver cars.

There were TM & BM (& possibly KM) in a car with BM's gun, hunting for EN. Then finding him, pointing a gun at him, and chasing him.

 

[Hiandmighty]

That's what I've thought for a long time. There were no driving lessons; there was no road rage; there weren't two silver cars.

There were TM & BM (& possibly KM) in a car with BM's gun, hunting for EN. Then finding him, pointing a gun at him, and chasing him.

I believe LE is investigating this (I hope).

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Its been mentioned but I didn't realize until today that there were comments (now closed) to the story.

That sure backfired on the family based on the comments. Poor BM didn't know any better and said person involved in at least two road raging incidents and who seemed to be a hot head was the kind of mother everyone wanted to have.

No one seemed to buy that.

One poster here said something like: oh look how nice TM seemed that the gang banger apologized to her. I replied that maybe he recognized who he was dealing with when she followed him home.

It seems like many of the Ms stories have multiple possible interpretations.

I do think she was a very fun mother from what I can tell, just saying she had recently chased someone else in her car - who she thought was a gang member no less - after a road rage incident seems like something the defense has to love and this is something that only should have come out during deposition if at all. Not that I think stuff like that would get off EN, but that would go towards the level of charge a jury would find them guilty of and the length of the sentence by the judge. TM could have been SYGed by that alleged gang member she followed and went to their house after being in a verbal altercation with them.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Yes, IF the event happened and IF the gang banger exists, it demonstrates yet another instance of extremely poor judgement and perhaps even trespassing by TM. Any number of outcomes could have happened.

And we know from the other news article that the neighbor named colorado used the adjective "cocky" to describe the family.

 

[jjenny]

Up until now, I wasn't aware you can justify killing someone by saying they had poor judgment.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Up until now, I wasn't aware you can justify killing someone by saying they had poor judgment.

So you don't think BM would have been justified in killing for EN's poor judgment or do you not think EN had poor judgment?

 

[sonjay]

I believe LE is investigating this (I hope).

I expect it'll come out either at trial or possibly before trial that KM's story of driving lessons and road rage is a complete fabrication.

Of course, then the prosecution will have to overcome the idea that TM & BM set out armed that night with some purpose other than returning to the Sean of the minor accident, or keeping the spiky-haired guy away from their house, or luring the carful of road ragers away from the house or whatever the story du jour is.

 

[newone]

Its been mentioned but I didn't realize until today that there were comments (now closed) to the story.

That sure backfired on the family based on the comments. Poor BM didn't know any better and said a person involved in at least two road raging incidents and who seemed to be a hot head was the kind of mother everyone wanted to have.

No one seemed to buy that.

One poster here said something like: oh look how nice TM seemed that the gang banger apologized to her. I replied that maybe he recognized her and who he was dealing with and her affiliations when she followed him home.

(I wondered how the "gang banger" feels to have been pointed out by BM who even said supposed gang banger went to TM's vigil. I suppose LE will want to interview this gang banger, as gang activity is illegal and a problem in las vegas)

It seems like many of the Ms stories have multiple possible interpretations.

bbm: good point! it was interesting to read ''other scenarios offered in the comments'' as well....

 

[SeeAlice]

bbm: good point! it was interesting to read ''other scenarios offered in the comments'' as well....

LOL, I spent about 30 minutes composing a long post with quotations from the article and my own annotated comments. Decided it was probably better for my status to not hit that post button, LOL.

 

[Hiandmighty]

Or at least wait until other people come back online

 

[newone]

.......why was BM running to the door??? Could it be he was (a) going to use the phone or (b) get another gun?

he did say that he was opening door to help TM out and noticed car returning. He closed the door and pushed her back in. Now the light would have come on when door was opened. Anyone would be able to see the driver at that point.

So why was BM running to the house?? or have I got this wrong -- correct me please

So then EN or someone starts firing at the car ((no bullet holes in car - right??)) and BM then runs behind white truck to fire back.

 

[jjenny]

.......why was BM running to the door??? Could it be he was (a) going to use the phone or (b) get another gun?

he did say that he was opening door to help TM out and noticed car returning. He closed the door and pushed her back in. Now the light would have come on when door was opened. Anyone would be able to see the driver at that point.

So why was BM running to the house??

If somebody was shooting at you, wouldn't you run for cover? Or would you just stand there and be killed?

 

[Hiandmighty]

.......why was BM running to the door??? Could it be he was (a) going to use the phone or (b) get another gun?

he did say that he was opening door to help TM out and noticed car returning. He closed the door and pushed her back in. Now the light would have come on when door was opened. Anyone would be able to see the driver at that point.

So why was BM running to the house?? or have I got this wrong -- correct me please

So then EN or someone starts firing at the car ((no bullet holes in car - right??)) and BM then runs behind white truck to fire back.

Right, the Buick has no damage. For all the shooting EN supposedly did at the car, the car sustained no damage.

 

[newone]

If somebody was shooting at you, wouldn't you run for cover? Or would you just stand there and be killed?

they were not shooting at him when he started running, rather his running, preceded the shooting.

he ran when he saw the car after shoving his mother into the car.....why didn't he pull her and they run together?

 

[jjenny]

they were not shooting at him when he started running

He just got shot at a short time prior. He saw the same car coming. Should he have expected the guy to come out and give him flowers?

 

[jjenny]

Right, the Buick has no damage. For all the shooting EN supposedly did at the car, the car sustained no damage.

EN admitted he was surprised he didn't hit the car with all the shooting he did. I guess you should take your complaint to him.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Going through an older article I saw this, which what BM says here is quotes from a text rather than quoting spoken word, so it should be direct rather than a paraphrase or a misunderstood word and he's doing this to explicitly address misreporting on the events:

In a series of text messages to CNN, Meyers says that his wife and son and what they did on February 12 has been misreported. He said that they had not gone looking for Nowsch, but instead were actually trying to move the car away from their home out of fear after their lives were threatened.

“My wife and son drove away from home, bad guys following. She lost them and upon coming home turned on street, bad guys are right in front,” he said. “After that, bad guys open fire different location. My wife got home, told her son to take cover and after he saw his mom shot he opened fire three times maybe four.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/02/...killed-his-wife-las-vegas-man-unloads-on-cnn/
RM is saying that TM/BM were being followed early on after leaving the house and had lost the road rager sometime before turning on Ducharme as TM was trying to get home after losing them but running into EN on Ducharme. This also ties into KM originally saying she thought she saw the road rager drive by their street when TM/KM got home. This would make more sense and it has TM running into EN while trying to get home rather than out hunting, but would also make that alleged unknown road rager all the more dangerous to be on the loose.

I am sort of waiting for the whole road rager thing to collapse given all the different versions of it not quite making sense, but on the other hand that part collapsing would still have me scratching my head given EN's statements to his friends where the thought of TM entering into it never crossed his mind.

 

[sonjay]

Mogg, reporting what EN told him (pg 101 of the GJ transcript):

he sees the victim's vehicle at the end of the cul-de-sac with the driver door open and he sees someone running whom he describes as a male with a beard from maybe the passenger side of the car toward the house
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Brandon, pg 52:

Q. But the car door, the driver's side door --
A. Oh yes, it was closed.
Q. The driver's side door was closed where you just shoved your mom in?
A. Yes
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Did BM really push his mom back into the car and shut the door?

Or did he just abandon his mom there and take off for the house himself?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

When did the unfired 9mm bullet get dispensed inside the car?

There's no way to tell. It could have been inadvertently left behind months before the shooting.

An unfired cartridge found in a family members car that matches a family members gun caliber doesn't tell us much. JMO.

 

[sonjay]

Going through an older article I saw this, which what BM says here is quotes from a text rather than quoting spoken word, so it should be direct rather than a paraphrase or a misunderstood word and he's doing this to explicitly address misreporting on the events:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/02/...killed-his-wife-las-vegas-man-unloads-on-cnn/
RM is saying that TM/BM were being followed early on after leaving the house and had lost the road rager sometime before turning on Ducharme as TM was trying to get home after losing them but running into EN on Ducharme. This also ties into KM originally saying she thought she saw the road rager drive by their street when TM/KM got home. This would make more sense and it has TM running into EN while trying to get home rather than out hunting, but would also make that alleged unknown road rager all the more dangerous to be on the loose.

I am sort of waiting for the whole road rager thing to collapse given all the different versions of it not quite making sense, but on the other hand that part collapsing would still have me scratching my head given EN's statements to his friends where the thought of TM entering into it never crossed his mind.

BBM. KM seeing the road rager drive by their street (after they had "escaped" from the alleged road rager) was in the arrest affidavit as well as in numerous media reports.

But it wasn't in KM's GJ testimony.

I think the bit about KM seeing the car again near their house is another example of how KM's story mirrors & matches BM's story. After TM & KM got home, KM saw the silver car coming south on Carmel Park. After TM & BM got home, BM saw the silver car coming north on Carmel Peak.