GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #6

[SeeAlice]

Anybody see a problem here?


What are implications of Tammy supposedly misidentifying a cream colored car as the earlier silver one driven by the supposed road rager?

How is Brandon's credibility impacted by his mistaken recall of the car, if at all?

What about KK & ZA?

JMO - This blows the theory/excuse that KM & BrM got the details of their earlier stories confused because they had each interacted with 2 different silver cars.

 

[SeeAlice]

I don't know what the real story is but I was willing to give the kids a pass for their conflicting stories if they each thought the other had seen & interacted with the same silver car initially and only figured out or realized later that there were 2 different silver cars.

But now...

I just don't know what to think.

 

[jjenny]

Det. Mogg & DA Stanton




Luis Muldonado, who has lived on the same street as Andrews since 2013



SOURCE: http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/erich-nowsch-s-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested

That's pretty much ridiculous. Just because a neighbor hasn't seen him driving a silver sedan, doesn't mean this guy doesn't have an access to a silver sedan.
Unless this neighbor watches him every second of every day. I live on the same street with numerous people. I don't pay attention to what kind of cars they drive.
Furthermore, suspect's neighbors said that he frequently works on cars in his driveway. Which suggests he has access to multiple cars.

"Residents in the neighborhood said they frequently saw Andrews working on cars in his driveway."

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/28577...rest-of-andrews-in-connection-to-meyers-death

 

[jjenny]

Anybody see a problem here?


What are implications of Tammy supposedly misidentifying a cream colored car as the earlier silver one driven by the supposed road rager?

How is Brandon's credibility impacted by his mistaken recall of the car, if at all?

What about KK & ZA?

JMO - This blows the theory/excuse that KM & BrM got the details of their earlier stories confused because they had each interacted with 2 different silver cars.

Cream colored? Says who? EN? When he didn't want driver found? Anybody else said the actual car was cream colored?

 

[BellaVita]

Go back and look at the post of yours that I was responding to :facepalm:

Here is what I was responding to:
Thank God he didn't try to shoot, because that little could have blown him away too.

This was my response:
Huh? You do know he finally succeeded in firing his gun 3 times? What is the correlation between shooting and being killed? BM shot and is alive. TM did not shoot and she was killed. EN shot and he is alive.

Why thank God he didn't try to shoot? Eventually, he DID figure out how to shoot and fired three times.

 

[BellaVita]

I didn't say he went home, I was giving a reason why he took a street that leads to his home. All the streets mentioned in the statements, are streets very close to EN and The Meyers homes. I don't understand how EN didn't know who the dark green Buick belonged to, and especially seeing it on the cul-de-sac, he knew the Meyers and where they lived. The Meyers didn't know who was in the Audi because EN had different people drive him places so it's understandable why they wouldn't know. MOO

This is debatable. At first I thought EN had to have known the car. RM says he would have recognized it but the windows have recently been tinted. I've recently been observing old Buicks on the road and they're pretty big but non-descript. It's very possible the M's knew who was in the Audi. They were observing EN in the park. KM's testimony is interesting in that regard:

We were parked and we didn't move, we saw a
guy, he kept walking back and forth just like once, and
my mom looked at him but we didn't, we just rolled up
the windows and everything.

It's been stated that TM frequented the park. The comings and goings of different vehicles may have been familiar to her.

 

[LancelotLink]

Could the CCTV video show them after the Mt. Shasta incident? If not, that would mean BM and TM had plenty of time to get into their house.

 

[SStarr33]

Hi, I'm new...sort of...(I've lurked on this site for years)...signed up to comment on this case.

I think it's entirely possible that emotional states will have a great deal to do with this case.

EN has several things that, if allowed to be introduced, could have a huge impact on how much sympathy he garners with a jury.

He is younger than either of the Meyers by at least five years...he's barely an adult - and he looks it.

He has the skull fracture, child abuse, suicide of a parent, "growth" issues, a stint in a "behavioral school" that has been accused of abuse, alleged bullying which was supposedly enough to scare him into getting a legal weapon to protect himself, reported conversations PRIOR to this event where he states that people have threatened him and his family/pets...all before any of the events of this particular evening.

He was not driving the vehicle (and so far there is no proof he was giving directions - do panicked people who are in fear for their lives pay attention to whether or not the driver is following directions/going the right way - or do they focus on the people who are out to get them), he allegedly did not have his gun loaded prior to feeling as though he were being followed by an armed person, it is possible there was a wrong turn involved which placed him in a position of feeling as though he was driven into a dangerous corner (cul-de-sac) with little or no protection from the people he thought were trying to hurt him.

He is small, young, and has had a difficult childhood. It is easy for me to think that there are people who will find him sympathetic and feel that he was defending himself from older, bigger, more aggressive people and was not in a pre-meditated frame of mind without irrefutable proof - especially since we do not definitively know who fired first at the cul-de-sac.

He is "alleged" to have sold drugs - just like TM has been "alleged" to use them. Neither of these things have been proven so far and I wouldn't put any stock in, or penalize a person for, alleged activities until I had something more than hearsay from random neighborhood people. JMHO.

He looks like he can take care of himself to me

 

[BellaVita]

So alleged drug dealing is minding his own business to you?

He wasn't bothering the M's. And a neighbor has gone on record as saying TM had dealings with EN in the park. The drug dealing did not seem to bother her, IMO. Even the LVDA has backhandedly lent credence to the TM drug purchasing report. He says the drug angle as it relates to TM is not the HEART of this story, but he doesn't say that it is ZERO part of the story. That speaks volumes to me.

 

[BellaVita]

If anyone is charged with those things we'll be on the same side. The only victim's so far are Tammy and her family.

Their troubles are self-inflicted.

 

[SStarr33]

About ENs motivation when he pulled the trigger.

He chased them and said I can't let the MF's get away.

 

[BellaVita]

Tammy is a victim. She's dead from bullets fired by the defendant. JMO.

A victim of fate, not intentions. Based on events, anybody in either car could have been killed/been a victim. More than anything, TM was a victim of her own poor judgment.

 

[jjenny]

A victim of fate, not intentions. Based on events, anybody in either car could have been killed/been a victim. More than anything, TM was a victim of her own poor judgment.

Just because somebody might have poor judgment, doesn't give somebody else a right to kill them. These people were in their own driveway trying to hide or run away when Tammy was shot to death.

 

[sonjay]

he describes the car as a cream colored four door vehicle.

I've tripped over that "cream colored four door vehicle" line every time I've read that part of the transcript. So far, I've just been ignoring it.

In the arrest affidavit, KK & ZA both said that EN identified his friend's car as a silver Audi, and KK identifies it as such again in her GJ testimony (pg 82 of the GJ transcript).

But Mogg testified that EN told him it was a cream colored vehicle.

So far, I've figured that EN's friend's car probably was indeed a silver Audi, and that either Mogg missheard EN, or Mogg misspoke in the GJ hearing, or the court report misheard, or maybe EN deliberately lied to Mogg about that in an attempt to keep LE from finding his friend.

As of yet, there's been no silver Audi identified as belonging to DA, so I guess we have to consider that possibly the "cream colored car" is the truth.

There would definitely be implications to that.

 

[sonjay]

Just because somebody might have poor judgment, doesn't give somebody else a right to kill them. These people were in their own driveway trying to hide or run away when Tammy was shot to death.

Straw man arguments don't work here, because we all know that no one has said anything of the sort.

 

[sonjay]

Thanks, Sonjay! It took me this long partly because I had a hard time coming up with a good screen name. All my favorites were taken! LOL! Plus this is one of those cases that sucks a person in. Eventually, I had to say what I've been thinking because no one else had yet. (Usually someone does. :cheers: )

I agree that TM is an enigma. We have no way to know what she was really thinking or attempting to do. If this truly was a case of mistaken identity, it is a horribly tragic one. Otherwise, there is something MAJOR that is being left out. I can't help wonder about how long it had been since TM "counseled" EN. Did they have a falling out about something? Bob's comments seem to lend the idea that there was bad blood between the Ms and EN at some point. I'd also like to know *who* was bullying EN.

It will be interesting to see what HARD evidence is presented. I feel that there is a HUGE amount of room for "reasonable doubt" without solid proof in this case.

BBM. I personally don't think it was a case of mistaken identity. I think TM & BM knew exactly who they were targeting that night.

If you've been lurking on this thread, you know that I've made no secret of the fact that I think the driving lessons and road rage never happened. I think they went out looking specifically for EN that night, and there's no mistaken identify.

There are some other people here who also believe that, and some who believe they did happen. (There's plenty of room for honest disagreements.) If the driving lessons and road rage did happen, then yes, it was probably a horribly tragic case of mistaken identity, with a series of nearly unbelievable coincidences.

 

[SeeAlice]

Question for all those dismissing the choice to go find the guy who supposedly had a road rage reaction to TM & KM as mere "poor judgment" on TM's part:

What do you think her reason(s) could have been for hunting him down?

 

[sonjay]

Question for all those dismissing the choice to go find the guy who supposedly had a road rage reaction to TM & KM as mere "poor judgment" on TM's part:

What do you think her reason(s) could have been for hunting him down?

I keep asking that question, and I keep not getting an answer. Maybe you'll have better luck.

Maybe TM was planning to bring EN tea and scones.

 

[BellaVita]

Just because somebody might have poor judgment, doesn't give somebody else a right to kill them. These people were in their own driveway trying to hide or run away when Tammy was shot to death.

Nobody has said that poor judgment on the part of TM requires a death sentence. However, poor judgment, which is as kindly as I can put it, did lead to a chain of events in which the M's were aggressors and TM was killed as a result. You keep missing the part where they were in the safety of their own home and decided to pursue someone, wave a gun and then be caught by surprise that other people have guns too. The M's weren't sitting in their yard having cookies and tea when out of the blue someone drove up and started to shoot.

 

[SStarr33]

Question for all those dismissing the choice to go find the guy who supposedly had a road rage reaction to TM & KM as mere "poor judgment" on TM's part:

What do you think her reason(s) could have been for hunting him down?

Read the interview that Brandon just did and I think you will have your answer.