GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #7

[BellaVita]

If the last EN knew from Villa Monterey was that the Buick was going westbound from there on Cherry River, the Buick would be going towards his home. It's Mogg's supposition that EN saw them on Carmel Peak, but if Mogg is wrong and the last place EN saw them before the U-turn was at the time of the shootout, then it would be logical for EN to assume the Buick might be going to his home.

Yes. I think what EN meant is that he thought his home was the intended destination of the Buick. I don't think he literally saw the Buick pass his house.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Why would they lie initially and say the road rager followed them home and shot TM?

What was so important to conceal that they felt the need to lie to police about the circumstances surrounding the shooting of their mother?

Maybe they thought the road rager and the killer where the same person. JMO.

 

[sonjay]

Maybe they thought the road rager and the killer where the same person. JMO.

They TOLD POLICE the road rager followed TM and KM home and shot TM.

That was an out-and-out bald-faced lie.

Why?

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I know what you are saying, he could have thought that but I still believe Mogg is correct, after all Mogg is the one who talked to EN and may have picked things up that wasn't brought out at the GJ. Also EN never went to his home, not even to check to see if his mom, baby sister and cat were all ok. Instead he had the Audi driver drop him off at a friends and switch cars. If he were that concerned about his family, he should have stopped at his house. I wonder if he even called his mom that night after the shooting?

Whether or not EN went home depends on what time you think the video happened, which I recognize what time you think that video happened. If however that video that LE IDed as the shooter was the shooter and the time is correct at 11:22 PM, EN did drive by his home with a spotlight to see if anyone was there and it was in scouting the neighborhood to be sure that the Buick was no longer a threat to his home that he ran into the Buick.

 

[BellaVita]

BBM: Yes, it is unclear Why would Mogg say, and I believe him, that the Audi could have spotted the Buick turning on Mt. Shasta, after all he drove that area to investigate, I, too, drove it so I can see how EN looked up/down (lol) Carmel Peak. IIRC EN said after he fired at the 1st shooting that the Buick backed up and went down the street so I'm sure once the Audi left the scene on Alta, he looked on Carmel Peak to see if he could spot the Buick and he did. MOO! :crazy:

EN saw them on Cherry River. There is no testimony I know of saying he saw them turn onto Carmel. Only a theory of Mogg. By EN's account, he believed the Buick was headed to his home. That would mean he thought the Buick was heading straight on Cherry River and passing by Carmel in the process.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

They TOLD POLICE the road rager followed TM and KM home and shot TM.

That was an out-and-out bald-faced lie.

Why?

I'm saying that they may have thought that the road rager followed them home. I'm not suggesting that the road rager actually followed them home. Two different cars and people in them is what I'm talking about. JMO.

 

[sonjay]

I'm saying that they may have thought that the road rager followed them home. I'm not suggesting that the road rager actually followed them home. Two different cars and people in them is what I'm talking about. JMO.

Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

But I'm talking about what the Meyerses said. They lied. Telling police that the road rager road raged TM & KM and then followed them home and shot TM is a lie, and there is no way to make it not a lie.

They lied to police for 5 days. Why?

 

[Miss Muffet]

An interesting thought crossed my mind in that Andrews desire to speak as well as going crazy could be a result of going from Xanax to solitary.

I think he would have looked a hell of a lot worse and not been as eloquent if that was the case. I've seen people go through that. It's not pretty. Withdraw can kill. With just being a few days in jail, I think it would have been very noticeable if he was going through withdraw.

There are Youtube videos. Here's one on day 19 of Xanax withdraw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPP1r_gDbtI

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

But I'm talking about what the Meyerses said. They lied. Telling police that the road rager road raged TM & KM and then followed them home and shot TM is a lie, and there is no way to make it not a lie.

They lied to police for 5 days. Why?

And during this time they went over to EN's home while keeping police in the dark about that. They didn't admit to knowing EN until after EN was arrested, like they were afraid EN was going to spill the beans on them.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

But I'm talking about what the Meyerses said. They lied. Telling police that the road rager road raged TM & KM and then followed them home and shot TM is a lie, and there is no way to make it not a lie.

They lied to police for 5 days. Why?

Oh, sorry. I thought you were talking about what happened right before Tammy was shot and killed in front of her own home.

I'm not sure why the accounts about what happened earlier in the evening don't fit well. In fact, I don't think that they will make a big difference when this case goes to trial.

JMO.

 

[BellaVita]

Oh, sorry. I thought you were talking about what happened right before Tammy was shot and killed in front of her own home.

I'm not sure why the accounts about what happened earlier in the evening don't fit well. In fact, I don't think that they will make a big difference when this case goes to trial.

JMO.

It will go to credibility of the M witnesses. IMO.

 

[sonjay]

And during this time they went over to EN's home while keeping police in the dark about that. They didn't admit to knowing EN until after EN was arrested, like they were afraid EN was going to spill the beans on them.

And if they thought the silver car was the road rager's car, they wouldn't have known the shooter was EN; in fact, they would have "known" that it wasn't EN, because EN isn't 6' tall and 180 lbs. and doesn't have spiky hair.

If KM really saw a spiky-haired 6'-tall dude, and if they really thought the silver car in the chase and shootout was the same car, they would have totally dismissed the idea that it could have been EN.

 

[sonjay]

Oh, sorry. I thought you were talking about what happened right before Tammy was shot and killed in front of her own home.

I'm not sure why the accounts about what happened earlier in the evening don't fit well. In fact, I don't think that they will make a big difference when this case goes to trial.

JMO.

LOL. Those accounts go way beyond merely not fitting well. Those accounts are out-and-out, bald-faced blatant lies to the police who were investigating their mother's death. And which, not incidentally, impeded the investigation into that death, because they had police wasting their time and resources looking for a 6' spiky-haired dude.

 

[BellaVita]

And if they thought the silver car was the road rager's car, they wouldn't have known the shooter was EN; in fact, they would have "known" that it wasn't EN, because EN isn't 6' tall and 180 lbs. and doesn't have spiky hair.

If KM really saw a spiky-haired 6'-tall dude, and if they really thought the silver car in the chase and shootout was the same car, they would have totally dismissed the idea that it could have been EN.

And don't forget. There were originally three men in the road rage car: spikey hair dude and 2 black men. Now there is only the spikey hair guy left. Maybe he will go away too.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I'm not sure why the accounts about what happened earlier in the evening don't fit well. In fact, I don't think that they will make a big difference when this case goes to trial.

If between being found guilty or not guilty I'd agree that I don't think it will, but what happened beforehand makes a huge difference from getting an M1 with a heavy sentence to getting Manslaughter with a light sentence (not that I think EN would get off with probation if he got Manslaughter) in the range of charges to be found guilty and how heavy the judge goes on the sentence on those charges.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

LOL. Those accounts go way beyond merely not fitting well. Those accounts are out-and-out, bald-faced blatant lies to the police who were investigating their mother's death. And which, not incidentally, impeded the investigation into that death, because they had police wasting their time and resources looking for a 6' spiky-haired dude.

I don't think that anything I said said is funny so I don't appreciate the LOL.

It doesn't matter to me if the Meyers are lying about the earlier events or not. What makes Nowsch and Andrews guilty of murder is that they traveled to the Meyers home and shot Tammy dead in cold blood. The Meyers could have shot at them earlier (we know that they didn't) but that wouldn't give Nowsch the right to go to their home and shoot with deadly intentions.

JMO.

 

[sonjay]

If between being found guilty or not guilty I'd agree that I don't think it will, but what happened beforehand makes a huge difference from getting an M1 with a heavy sentence to getting Manslaughter with a light sentence (not that I think EN would get off with probation if he got Manslaughter) in the range of charges to be found guilty and how heavy the judge goes on the sentence on those charges.

I still think it's entirely possible that all the Meyers' lies could well result in a hung jury or even an acquittal.

Without solid -- really, really solid -- physical evidence that puts the gun in EN's hand to pull the trigger for the fatal shot, all of those lies might just create enough reasonable doubt that the jury just won't convict EN. The people who should have been the state's star witnesses are instead the state's greatest liability. The jury is going to realize they can't rely on anything that BM & KM say to be the truth. The jury might conclude, as I have, that if BM & KM say something, then the truth is almost certainly something else. Reasonable doubt is all that's needed. And it only needs one juror who won't budge off of reasonable doubt to result in a hung jury.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

If between being found guilty or not guilty I'd agree that I don't think it will, but what happened beforehand makes a huge difference from getting an M1 with a heavy sentence to getting Manslaughter with a light sentence (not that I think EN would get off with probation if he got Manslaughter) in the range of charges to be found guilty and how heavy the judge goes on the sentence on those charges.

I disagree. This is a murder 1 case. The State of Nevada has it right. Prior conflicts don't give a person the right to go after another person and shoot them dead.

JMO

 

[sonjay]

I don't think that anything I said said is funny so I don't appreciate the LOL.

It doesn't matter to me if the Meyers are lying about the earlier events or not. What makes Nowsch and Andrews guilty of murder is that they traveled to the Meyers home and shot Tammy dead in cold blood. The Meyers could have shot at them earlier (we know that they didn't) but that wouldn't give Nowsch the right to go to their home and shoot with deadly intentions.

JMO.

Oh, sorry, I thought you meant to be amusing in saying that the accounts of the earlier events "don't fit well."

There is no proof that EN went to their home with deadly intentions. That's what the jury is there to decide, but it is certainly not a proven fact.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I still think it's entirely possible that all the Meyers' lies could well result in a hung jury or even an acquittal.

Without solid -- really, really solid -- physical evidence that puts the gun in EN's hand to pull the trigger for the fatal shot, all of those lies might just create enough reasonable doubt that the jury just won't convict EN. The people who should have been the state's star witnesses are instead the state's greatest liability. The jury is going to realize they can't rely on anything that BM & KM say to be the truth. The jury might conclude, as I have, that if BM & KM say something, then the truth is almost certainly something else. Reasonable doubt is all that's needed. And it only needs one juror who won't budge off of reasonable doubt to result in a hung jury.

I base EN being found guilty based purely on what he said to LE and K and A, which I expect at least one of those three confessions will make it into the trial. If not for those confession, then I could see EN getting off, but other than that I see low odds of an acquittal.