GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #7

[PaperDoll]

Snipped by me.

A lie of omission is still a lie.
'A lie by omission occurs when an important fact is left out in order to foster a misconception.'

Do you dispute that the M family left out a HUGE set of facts when they 'omitted' the entire portion of the story concerning them (after alleged road rage incident) going back to the house, dropping a person off, picking up another person with a gun and ammo, to go chase down supposed road rager vehicle? I am also leaning toward it being a lie that there were 2 black people and a spiky-haired individual in this vehicle, as they seem to have disappeared from the story completely.
I know that some here want to feel that no lies were told. Wanting that to be true doesn't make it so.

EN lied as well, yeah, I know he lied to stay out of prison right? But a lie is a lie no matter what. So it's ok for him to lie about what actually happened that night but not for the Meyers? EN lied to cover up, if the Meyers lied they, too are covering up, do we know what that is? I don't think we do because we don't have the full police report that was taken that night.

 

[PaperDoll]

EN had a gun on him, yes, but he didn't go look for, stalk, or threaten anybody. He was just sitting in the park minding his own business. Having a gun on you for defense in case someone threatens, chases or attacks you is self-defense.

The Meyerses, on the other hand, deliberately set out with a gun to hunt for, stalk, threaten and chase EN. That's not self-defense. That's aggression.

Was EN registered to own a gun? If he felt threatened why not call the police and report it?

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Was EN registered to own a gun? If he felt threatened why not call the police and report it?

Yes, EN was a registered gun owner same as BM

 

[sonjay]

EN lied as well, yeah, I know he lied to stay out of prison right? But a lie is a lie no matter what. So it's ok for him to lie about what actually happened that night but not for the Meyers? EN lied to cover up, if the Meyers lied they, too are covering up, do we know what that is? I don't think we do because we don't have the full police report that was taken that night.

I don't recall anyone here saying that it was OK for EN to lie.

But why are so many people trying to pretend that the Meyerses didn't lie?

And BTW, why did the Meyerses lie?

 

[PaperDoll]

Yes, EN was a registered gun owner same as BM

I must have missed that he was a registered owner, where did you find that he was?

 

[PaperDoll]

I don't recall anyone here saying that it was OK for EN to lie.

But why are so many people trying to pretend that the Meyerses didn't lie?

And BTW, why did the Meyerses lie?

I can't answer why they lied, if you know please tell me I can only answer for myself on why I don't think the Meyers lied, I'm simply going off the GJ and police report and it doesn't seem like they are lying. Again, I can't go by what the media has reported or not reported and I certainly can't go by what RM says because he wasn't there. Hopefully we will have more information available to us so I can come to my own conclusion, but for now, I'm only going by what we have this far.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I must have missed that he was a registered owner, where did you find that he was?

"Nowsch also had firearms registered to him, Tomaino said. He did not specify how many weapons Nowsch had or what kind they were."
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...as-vegas-road-rage-death-tammy-meyers-n309111

 

[Cobra Jet]

From the article:
"But she also testified that her son owned the silver Audi prosecutors said followed Meyers to her home that night, and a police detective told the same grand jury that Andrews’ vehicle was captured on surveillance video from one of Meyers’ neighbors."

I wonder how DA's mother can positively state that it is her son's car that followed the Meyers. Certainly she could testify that her son owns a silver Audi. She could even testify that her son's Audi has a bullet hole where it didn't before. She could even testify that she saw her son leave that night in his Audi. But how can she positively testify that it is her son's Audi that followed the Meyerses? Was she there in the cul de sac to see it happen?

Her son owned the car that PROSECUTORS say followed Meyers.

 

[SeeAlice]

Wow. This thread sure picked up.

 

[SeeAlice]

Explanation of "straps"
http://onlineslangdictionary.com/meaning-definition-of/strap

(Didn't make sense to me before.)

 

[jjenny]

EN brought a gun with him because he feared someone was out to get him and his family, but did he ever say who these people were? So, yes, EN was out to kill since he, too, had a gun on him.

There is no evidence that these threats existed either, other than what EN claimed.

 

[jjenny]

When you deliberately take a gun with you to go out searching for someone, IMO that's not protection or self-defense. That's an aggressive act.

Unless EN is the one doing it? After TM and BM left in their car and went to their home, why didn't EN do the same?

 

[SpanishInquisition]

There is no evidence that these threats existed either, other than what EN claimed.

Sort of like there's no evidence of the Meyers receiving a death threat either other than what KM claims, yet both BM and EN were both packing heat over threats with no proof that they're real.

 

[jjenny]

From the article:
"But she also testified that her son owned the silver Audi prosecutors said followed Meyers to her home that night, and a police detective told the same grand jury that Andrews’ vehicle was captured on surveillance video from one of Meyers’ neighbors."

I wonder how DA's mother can positively state that it is her son's car that followed the Meyers. Certainly she could testify that her son owns a silver Audi. She could even testify that her son's Audi has a bullet hole where it didn't before. She could even testify that she saw her son leave that night in his Audi. But how can she positively testify that it is her son's Audi that followed the Meyerses? Was she there in the cul de sac to see it happen?

You misread the article. DA's mother didn't claim she knows his car followed the Meyers. She testified he owns the silver Audi.
Despite that some neighbor claiming he didn't see DA in one.
And I just love how DA can sit there and claim he is so innocent, yet his cell phone was in the area at the time.
Apparently his cell phone just took off on its own. Who knew cell phones could do that? I sure didn't.

 

[Deleted member 50844]

EN lied as well, yeah, I know he lied to stay out of prison right? But a lie is a lie no matter what. So it's ok for him to lie about what actually happened that night but not for the Meyers? EN lied to cover up, if the Meyers lied they, too are covering up, do we know what that is? I don't think we do because we don't have the full police report that was taken that night.

Where did anyone say it was ok for EN to lie, especially me. Please don't put words in my mouth.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

This article has been updated now with even more details:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/l...-mom-he-wasn-t-involved-tammy-meyers-shooting
It would be good to know about the cell tower records used as saying Andrews was cell phone was in EN's tower area could just mean the cell tower covers both areas rather than meaning Andrews went anywhere in his car. What would be good to know about movement would be whether or not Andrews phone switched towers instead of saying which tower he was on at the time of the shooting:
http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/...e_phone_tracking_is_junk_science_critics_say/

 

[SeeAlice]

I understand that EN never said he saw the Buick but IMO it makes sense what Mogg said. I believe that from the 1st shooting to the 2nd, that it took 30 to 45 seconds, if that. I also don't believe the Audi took a wrong turn on Mt. Shasta, I believe EN knows his own neighborhood and I do not believe the Audi driver mistook Mt. Shasta for Cherry River. As far as driving past EN house, I'm not sure what he meant when he said that but I'm thinking he though the Buick passed his house. I do not believe the Audi was going to make a complete turn on Mt. Shasta, I believe they positioned the car so EN could shoot his weapon. Mt. Shasta is a very small cul-de-sac, when they spotted the Buick, they could have backed out quickly and took off but they didn't. Instead EN saw someone running from the car into the house and opened fire. He said he saw heads in the car and started shooting at them as well.

This part I bolded doesn't seem to jibe with the physical evidence and the crime scene as known so far to me.

How did he manage to fire the gun 22 times, hitting TM in the head (twice?) and yet not one single bullet apparently hit the green car?

Agh! I guess somebody needs to draw me a diagram or a map or something because I can't seem to picture it.

 

[jjenny]

This part I bolded doesn't seem to jibe with the physical evidence and the crime scene as known so far to me.

How did he manage to fire the gun 22 times, hitting TM in the head (twice?) and yet not one single bullet apparently hit the green car?

Agh! I guess somebody needs to draw me a diagram or a map or something because I can't seem to picture it.

You would have to ask him. He seemed to know he didn't manage to hit the car, as was testified in the GJ.
And who says TM was hit in the head twice?

 

[jjenny]

This article has been updated now with even more details:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/l...-mom-he-wasn-t-involved-tammy-meyers-shooting
It would be good to know about the cell tower records used as saying Andrews was cell phone was in EN's tower area could just mean the cell tower covers both areas rather than meaning Andrews went anywhere in his car. What would be good to know about movement would be whether or not Andrews phone switched towers instead of saying which tower he was on at the time of the shooting:
http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/...e_phone_tracking_is_junk_science_critics_say/

Oh please. You seriously think police didn't check out what tower cell phone would ping if DA was in his home as opposed to be in Meyers neighborhood?

 

[jjenny]

Where did anyone say it was ok for EN to lie, especially me. Please don't put words in my mouth.

It's been repeatedly said that it's to be expected, since he is a suspect.