GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #7

[sonjay]

If it was just some random person who TM didn't know and the family only found out about later, that contradicts the reason she supposedly went back out in the first place.

But nobody lied, and the Meyerses have been completely honest. TM was just trying to lure the suspects away from the house, doncha know.

 

[LancelotLink]

She doesn't post anything that we don't already know, except for a different interpretation of the GJ testimony. Nowhere does she says she heard first hand, is a neighbor, heard from a friend, etc.. She just keeps referencing the GJ testimony. She's just engrossed, and there are people who become engrossed in cases to the utmost extreme. Most of what she has to say is pretty benign and has already been said in this thread anyway. The only thing different is her belief EN was sitting on front of his house when TM and BM showed up. That seems like a misinterpretation because nowhere in any document does it say that.

Her tone is what impresses me.

 

[SStarr33]

I for one have never been convinced TM was in the car for either ride. The contents of her purse on the front seat of the car as photographed on the scene only proved to me the items were in there when police arrived, not how they came to be in there, nor to be strewn about. (I need to reread that description. It seemed unusual to me for some reason.)

How would that happen, do you think? Why did she dump everything - or much of the contents of her purse - out in the car? I doubt it was from looking for her cell phone or car keys, but JMO. She wasn't even in the car when she was shot, was she?

JMO

I've not seen that the contents of her purse were on the front seat of the car. I did see the GJ testimony said her purse, wallet and contents were on the street.

 

[sonjay]

Here's a list of things that don't make sense about the driving lesson/road rage story:

There are probably more; this is just what I came up with off the top of my head.

• Driving lesson at school parking lot makes sense. But driving lesson at school parking lot adjacent to drug-dealer hangout park at 11pm for KM's very first ever driving lesson doesn't make sense.
• KM's ever-changing story about what the driving lessons consisted of doesn't make sense. It was the school parking lot, it was parallel parking (for her very first driving lesson!), then it was merging and changing lanes, then it included driving around in the residential area north of the school, then it didn't include any driving in the residential area.
• Route home from driving lesson south on Villa Monterey to Alta, west on Alta to Durango, north on Durango to Westcliff doesn't make sense.
• KM honking the horn from the passenger seat doesn't make sense.
• Road rager getting so upset that he follows TM & KM and makes death threats against TM & KM simply because KM honked doesn't make sense.
• KM's changing story about whether it was a collision or a near-collision doesn't make sense. You would know if you were in an actual collision.
• After alleged road rage, TM driving west on Ducharme to get home doesn't make sense.
• KM reporting that the road rage car contained one white dude and two black dudes, then just one white dude doesn't make sense.
• KM reporting that they got home without the road rager following them, then the road rager pulled into the cul de sac to shoot TM not only doesn't make sense but we know for a fact it didn't happen.
• KM reporting that when they got back to the cul de sac, there was time for her to run inside but her mother was still outside to get shot by the road rager doesn't make sense.
• The police announcing there would be no sketch of the road rager, then two hours later releasing a sketch doesn't make sense.
• Police not looking for the spiky-haired dude in the sketch doesn't make sense.
• After EN was arrested, RM saying "Mommy knew who this was" doesn't make sense, because the road rager wasn't EN.
• The multiple different explanations for why TM went out to hunt for the road rager don't make sense.

I could accept one or two or maybe even three of these things that don't make sense; but asking us to believe this whole pile of things that don't make sense? Nope, not me. I don't believe it for a minute.

Edited to add a couple more:

• TM being road raged but not calling 911 doesn't make sense.
• TM being road raged, making it home safely, and then setting out to look for the road rager doesn't make sense.

ETA a couple more;

• KM being able to give such a detailed description of the road rager, down to hairstyle and eye color, yet unable to give make of car or license plate number doesn't make sense.
• TM thinking that after escaping from the road rager and getting home safely, she could head back out again and actually find that exact silver car that had been road raging them over on Cimarron doesn't make sense.
• TM being road raged by a silver car, then coincidentally getting into a chase and shootout with a different silver car that happens to contain her neighbor as the only passenger doesn't make sense.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I'm not sure why there's a discussion about comments made under a news article. That's total rumor IMO.

It's not a rumor. It's an opinion she bases on her interpretation of the GJ transcript. I'd give a rumor more weight.

But it does kinda match up with you seeing a figure in front on his house, doesn't it? (Sorry. Divided attention tonight.)

How? She says EN was sitting in the car in front of his house when the Audi pulled up behind them. EN and BM both state they were on a totally different street when the Buick first found the Audi. EN saying those words was in an entirely different phase of the evening per the documents. It's like she took two different parts of the transcript and put them together.

Kinda like one-a them-there self-fulfillin' prophecies.

I like the way that-there is written.

 

[SeeAlice]

Edited article.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/erich-nowsch-accused-tammy-meyers-death-faces-new-charge

(But we saw that name, correct?)

 

[SeeAlice]

It's not a rumor. It's an opinion she bases on her interpretation of the GJ transcript. I'd give a rumor more weight.


How? She says EN was sitting in the car in front of his house when the Audi pulled up behind them. EN and BM both state they were on a totally different street when the Buick first found the Audi. EN saying those words was in an entirely different phase of the evening per the documents. It's like she took two different parts of the transcript and put them together.


I like the way that-there is written.

Oops, sorry. I didn't read that right. Thought it said sitting on front porch or something. Sorry.

 

[SeeAlice]

You MUST watch the video on this news report for several reasons, but check out what happens at :30.

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/28122206/sketch-could-be-key-to-solving-road-rage-deadly-shooting

I don't think I had seen it before.

The family, desperate for answers, is pleading for anyone with information about the deadly shooting to

Sorry screw up formatting. Falling asleep on hers. (Nkh

 

[Miss Muffet]

Edited article.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/erich-nowsch-accused-tammy-meyers-death-faces-new-charge

(But we saw that name, correct?)

What name?

You MUST watch the video on this news report for several reasons, but check out what happens at :30.

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/28122206/sketch-could-be-key-to-solving-road-rage-deadly-shooting

I don't think I had seen it before.

Interesting. The car in the driveway looks similar too. I'm sure there are many cars that look like that in Vegas.

 

[sonjay]

Some facts become more interesting in retrospect.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/vegas-road-rage-shooting-suspect-vowed-back-daughter/story?id=29112212

In this story, right after EN's arrest, it's pointed out that EN was questioned about the shooting while in police custody on the juvie warrant: "The suspect, Erich Nowsch Jr., 19, was first questioned on Tuesday, five days after the shooting, when he was in juvenile detention on an unrelated warrant." Then it says, "He did not match the physical description of the suspect, according to police, but his alibi didn't check out."

Whether you think the Meyerses knew it was EN the night of the shooting or learned about it from social media while TM lay dying, they definitely knew it was EN by Sunday the 15th, because that's when RM went knocking on EN's door.

Yet, when police questioned EN about the TM shooting on Tuesday, the 17th, they let him go because he didn't match the fake sketch of the fake spiky-haired dude made up by KM. You know, the spiky-haired dude that police aren't looking for?

Can there really be anyone who honestly thinks the Meyerses didn't lie to police about the shooting? If there is, I would love to hear a coherent explanation of the many discrepancies and changes in the story, and how they weren't actually lies.

 

[BellaVita]

You MUST watch the video on this news report for several reasons, but check out what happens at :30.

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/28122206/sketch-could-be-key-to-solving-road-rage-deadly-shooting

I don't think I had seen it before.

The silver car looks pretty new. I think DA's car is a 2000? I will say though that looking at the surveillance footage, it seems like it would also catch a glimpse of headlights turning onto Carmel from the east (the M's alleged route).

 

[sonjay]

And this article is interesting:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/charge-19-year-held-las-vegas-mom-slaying-30126093

It says this:

Prosecutor David Stanton said police detained and questioned Nowsch during an initial investigation of the knife incident, but didn't arrest him and didn't link him at that time to the shootout that left Tammy Meyers mortally wounded.
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BBM. Hmmm.... When exactly did police detain and question EN during their initial investigation of the knife incident? While he was in custody on the juvie warrant? The knife incident allegedly happened on the 15th; EN was picked up by police on the juvie warrant on the 15th.

It's clear by this point that if the Meyerses had been honest with police, EN would have been arrested and stayed arrested when he was picked up by police on the 15th. Or, he would have been arrested earlier than the 15th, and the knife incident never would have happened. I'm thinking maybe the Meyerses are a little bit responsible for the knife incident itself — because it's a direct result of their lies to police that EN was out and about and able to hold a knife to a kid's throat.

The whole swat team standoff & neighborhood evacuation at EN's house on Cherry River on the 19th could have been avoided if the Meyerses had been honest with police.

 

[jjenny]

I don't care if Ms lied day in and day out. Suspect already confessed. It wouldn't surprise me if more charges were brought against him still, considering his alleged occupation and behavior. There could be lots more where that came from.

 

[SStarr33]

Her tone is what impresses me.

She sounds like she is off her rocker to me.

 

[BellaVita]

Some facts become more interesting in retrospect.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/vegas-road-rage-shooting-suspect-vowed-back-daughter/story?id=29112212

Yet, when police questioned EN about the TM shooting on Tuesday, the 17th, they let him go because he didn't match the fake sketch of the fake spiky-haired dude made up by KM. You know, the spiky-haired dude that police aren't looking for?

Can there really be anyone who honestly thinks the Meyerses didn't lie to police about the shooting? If there is, I would love to hear a coherent explanation of the many discrepancies and changes in the story, and how they weren't actually lies.

What I've been wondering and have had a hard time expressing just right is this: At what point and for what reason did police abandon the sketch? I guess we know they'd abandoned it upon EN's arrest on the 19th. We know they were still going with it at the LVPD presser at 5PM on the 17th. On the 17th, Steiber stated emphatically that there was NO contact between the Buick and silver car. KM says the windows weren't tinted and there were three people in the car. She gave the sketch description. Now she says there was only one person in the car. BM says the windows were tinted and couldn't identify anyone. Is the LVDA using the tinted/not tinted discrepancy to support the two silver theory? If the road rage story is true-I have my doubts-KM is the only witness that would cause LE to withdraw the sketch and call it irrelevant. And if that is the case, that calls into even more question whether there was an anonymous road rage person at all. The sketch could only have been pure misdirection on the part of KM. Even if LE believed there WAS some sort of incident, they don't believe what KM is selling. I get the feeling LVDA has pulled rank and told LE to stay out of it. The DA's office is in charge and don't want the police digging any further. What exactly was it that triggered the mistaken identity theory? Allegedly BM wasn't in the car for the first incident and could only go by what TM said. None of EN's accounts included road rage.

QUESTION: Did LE say directly after EN's arrest that the sketch was irrelevant? Before he was questioned? I would have to look for a link to know. If that was stated before EN was questioned, it supports even more that the road rage incident is false. IMO.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

"Metro said Thursday that Nowsch was the man drawn in a sketch police circulated to find the shooter. That man was described as being in his mid-20s, 6 feet tall and about 180 pounds with spiked dirty blond hair and blue or hazel eyes."
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/l...-arrested-shooting-initially-called-road-rage
"Tomaino said a sketch that had been circulated early in the investigation was no longer relevant."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ling-words-shooter-boasted-killed-mother.html

 

[sonjay]

What I've been wondering and have had a hard time expressing just right is this: At what point and for what reason did police abandon the sketch? I guess we know they'd abandoned it upon EN's arrest on the 19th. We know they were still going with it at the LVPD presser at 5PM on the 17th. On the 17th, Steiber stated emphatically that there was NO contact between the Buick and silver car. KM says the windows weren't tinted and there were three people in the car. She gave the sketch description. Now she says there was only one person in the car. BM says the windows were tinted and couldn't identify anyone. Is the LVDA using the tinted/not tinted discrepancy to support the two silver theory? If the road rage story is true-I have my doubts-KM is the only witness that would cause LE to withdraw the sketch and call it irrelevant. And if that is the case, that calls into even more question whether there was an anonymous road rage person at all. The sketch could only have been pure misdirection on the part of KM. Even if LE believed there WAS some sort of incident, they don't believe what KM is selling. I get the feeling LVDA has pulled rank and told LE to stay out of it. The DA's office is in charge and don't want the police digging any further. What exactly was it that triggered the mistaken identity theory? Allegedly BM wasn't in the car for the first incident and could only go by what TM said. None of EN's accounts included road rage.

The tinted vs. non-tinted, but also (and more important, IMO) the fact that KM's description of the road rage driver bears no resemblance whatsoever to either EN or DA. She said very specifically in the GJ hearing that there was exactly one person in the road rage car, and that person was the spiky-haired dude in the sketch. Windows are different and driver/passenger sets are different. Therefore, KM's road rage car had to be a different car. If it actually existed, that is.

QUESTION: Did LE say directly after EN's arrest that the sketch was irrelevant? Before he was questioned? I would have to look for a link to know. If that was stated before EN was questioned, it supports even more that the road rage incident is false. IMO.

The police press conference after EN's arrest was at on Feb. 19 at 4:15pm Las Vegas time. Mogg testified at the GJ that he questioned EN on Feb. 19 at 1:15pm. So, the statement at the press conference was after LE had interviewed EN on the 19th.

 

[sonjay]

"Metro said Thursday that Nowsch was the man drawn in a sketch police circulated to find the shooter. That man was described as being in his mid-20s, 6 feet tall and about 180 pounds with spiked dirty blond hair and blue or hazel eyes."
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/l...-arrested-shooting-initially-called-road-rage
"Tomaino said a sketch that had been circulated early in the investigation was no longer relevant."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ling-words-shooter-boasted-killed-mother.html

I don't think police ever said that. I think police said they believed Nowsch was the shooter.

The enterprising reporter knew that the sketch was allegedly of the shooter, so he cleverly put 2 and 2 together and reported (incorrectly) that police said Nowsch was the man in the sketch. JMO, MOO, IMO and all that jazz.

I really really hate the sloppy reporting and inaccurate summaries of what people said. I really really prefer to hear the words directly out of a person's own mouth.

Nevertheless, given all the lies by the Meyerses, it's not surprising that reporters had difficulty keeping things straight.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

The tinted vs. non-tinted, but also (and more important, IMO) the fact that KM's description of the road rage driver bears no resemblance whatsoever to either EN or DA. She said very specifically in the GJ hearing that there was exactly one person in the road rage car, and that person was the spiky-haired dude in the sketch. Windows are different and driver/passenger sets are different. Therefore, KM's road rage car had to be a different car. If it actually existed, that is.

Q. Did you believe that the person that got
out of the car and the person in this drawing, Grand
Jury Exhibit Number 2, was Mr. Nowsch?
A. No.
Q. In fact if it had been Mr. Nowsch you
believe, based upon how he was illuminated and how long
you had to see him, that you would have been able to
identify that person?
A. Yes.

 

[sonjay]

Well, if you want to nitpick at my pronoun...actually 'we' is acceptable because just a few pages back from this someone else had also wondered who all had gone knock knock knocking on Erich's door. My wording there, but I will scurry on back and show you where it was pondered on here.
Furthermore, my grand apology for missing out on/not retaining a detail that RM has spouted out. Perhaps I have read that before, I have read many things he said in his umpteen versions, interviews, videos.
Really, using the wrong pronoun is what you want to tsk-tsk about? Lol. Ok then...

Don't worry about it. The comment was uncalled for and unnecessary, and your original post that it was nitpicking was perfectly fine and acceptable.

There have been so many lies and inconsistencies and discrepancies and twists in the case, even those of us who have been watching the case from the beginning need reminding of things like that.

"We" appreciate your contributions to the discussion!