GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #8

[PaperDoll]

I've been looking for updates but can't seem to find any

 

[Miss Muffet]

However, none of the kids involved in the knifing incident were able to identify EN as the shanker, not even in a lineup, until after he hit the news/SM, correct?

Was EN really in a lineup for the knife incident prior to the shooting? Where did you read that? I'm falling behind here.

It may be possible they were afraid of EN until he was safely behind bars for the shooting. But I can't imagine the DA feeling he has a strong case for the knife incidents if the witnesses didn't identify him in a previous lineup.

 

[Miss Muffet]

Updated: Prosecutorial involved/possibly involved vehicle roulette wheel:

Is that Chitty Chitty Bang Bang or the Clampetts?

 

[SeeAlice]

SeeAlice :blowkiss: here is the link:

https://www.clarkcountycourts.us/Anonymous/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=11579476

Cross-Reference Case Number: C304831
Grand Jury Case Number: 14BGJ044X

Hope this helps

C-15-304831-1
Nowsch, Erich Milton
03/06/2015
Department 17
Felony/Gross Misdemeanor
Reactivated ???
MURDER WITH USE OF A DEADLY WEAPON
ATTEMPT MURDER WITH USE OF A DEADLY WEAPON
DISCHARGE OF FIREARM FROM OR WITHIN A STRUCTURE OR VEHICLE

 

[SeeAlice]

Going right to trial, May 19, looks like.

https://www.clarkcountycourts.us/An...76&HearingID=187383837&SingleViewMode=Minutes

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Was EN really in a lineup for the knife incident prior to the shooting? Where did you read that? I'm falling behind here.

It may be possible they were afraid of EN until he was safely behind bars for the shooting. But I can't imagine the DA feeling he has a strong case for the knife incidents if the witnesses didn't identify him in a previous lineup.

It wasn't after the shooting, but rather after EN was IDed and arrested for the shooting. It wasn't until a month later after EN had been arrested and they finally spoke to the other witnesses who actually did ID him that they decided to charge EN as neither the boy nor his sister picked him out of a lineup on the date of the alleged incident:
The teenager was unable to identify Nowsch in a lineup because he was not wearing his glasses at the time of the incident. The teenager is legally blind.

Two of the other people who were with the victim at the time of the incident gave detectives similar statements and were able to identify Nowsch.

Although police spoke to Nowsch on the day of the incident, they did not arrest him at that time. He denied any involvement and they did not find a knife. It was not until after police had interviewed the other witnesses that they decide to charge Nowsch.
http://www.scrippsmedia.com/ktnv/ne...my-Meyers-facing-other-charges-298814741.html

 

[SpanishInquisition]

It sounds like the trial may bifurcate the defendants as Andrews wants and speedy trial while it sounds like there's a slow-down with Nowsch:

DEFT. ANDREWS ARRAIGNED, PLED NOT GUILTY, and INVOKED THE 60-DAY RULE. COURT ORDERED, matter set for trial. With regard to Deft. NOWSCH, Mr. Claus advised that he has spoken with Mr. Stanton and it appears the file review will not be taking place until after April 2, the date for the Death Penalty Committee review. Additionally, some motion work needs to be done and Defense is contemplating issuing a subpoena for the Detective. Colloquy; Court advised that what it usually does is direct counsel to meet with one another to review the State's file, meet with the submitting detective to review the investigation binder, and to review any evidence in the vault.

https://www.clarkcountycourts.us/An...76&HearingID=187383837&SingleViewMode=Minutes

Also with the alleged knife incident it appears that a new charge of child abuse was added:

Charges: NOWSCH, ERICH MILTON, Jr.
1. Battery w/DW [50223] 200.481.2e1 Felony 02/15/2015
2. Child abuse/neglect, (1st), e/dw [55228] 200.508.1b1 Felony 02/15/2015

https://lvjcpa.clarkcountynv.gov/Anonymous/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=11664185

 

[SStarr33]

Updated: Prosecutorial involved/possibly involved vehicle roulette wheel:

Would you make this same post if your mom's brains were splattered in her front yard?

 

[Solitaryone]

It sounds like the trial may bifurcate the defendants as Andrews wants and speedy trial while it sounds like there's a slow-down with Nowsch:

https://www.clarkcountycourts.us/An...76&HearingID=187383837&SingleViewMode=Minutes

Also with the alleged knife incident it appears that a new charge of child abuse was added:

https://lvjcpa.clarkcountynv.gov/Anonymous/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=11664185

Child Abuse, for realzzz? :crosseyed: The LVDA is really piling it on, isn't he! I think the LVDA must have strong doubts about getting a Murder1 conviction, and must be really desperate to get EN convicted of something. And DA is going for a speedy trial? This should be interesting. I wonder what would happen if EN decided he wanted a speedy trial? This case is such a :trainwreck:

 

[Miss Muffet]

Colloquy; Court advised that what it usually does is direct counsel to meet with one another to review the State's file, meet with the submitting detective to review the investigation binder, and to review any evidence in the vault.

I don't know how this is usually done. I can't imagine they only get to "review" all of this stuff. I sure hope they get copies of everything.

I don't know what to think about this other charge. I'm starting to accept that EN is no angel, but I haven't completely flipped to the dark side because the case is an utter disaster.

 

[PaperDoll]

Child abuse/neglect, what is that about? Would that mean, if he did put a knife to a kids throat, that would be considered child abuse/neglect? I'm not understanding that charge???? :crazy:

 

[jjenny]

Child abuse/neglect, what is that about? Would that mean, if he did put a knife to a kids throat, that would be considered child abuse/neglect? I'm not understanding that charge???? :crazy:

Because the victim is a minor any type of cruelty inflicted upon the victim can be charged as child abuse.

"Child abuse is broadly defined in many states as any type of cruelty inflicted upon a child, including mental abuse, physical harm, neglect, and sexual abuse or exploitation. The specific crimes charged in instances of child abuse can include assault and battery. - See more at: "http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/child-abuse-overview.html#sthash.dPGyawqu.dpuf

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/child-abuse-overview.html

 

[sonjay]

Lol. IMO EN is a very unique looking individual, both in his height/weight and general looks/appearance. According to Stan and RM EN had practically been holding the neighborhood under criminal siege. However, none of the kids involved in the knifing incident were able to identify EN as the shanker, not even in a lineup, until after he hit the news/SM, correct?

All these different road rage attacks happening to TM with interchangeable suspects and vehicles, now this?

I think the actual order of events was this:

Either Feb. 14 or Feb 15 the alleged knife incident allegedly happened. Police talked to EN about it, but the blind teenager, who may or may not have been wearing his glasses at the time of the alleged incident, was unable to identify EN in a lineup. The other 2 (or 3) alleged witnesses were not available to be interviewed at the time. (Why? I dunno.)

Some time later (maybe in April?), the other 2 (or 3) alleged witnesses to the alleged knife incident did identify EN (maybe in a lineup, I dunno), and he was charged.

I think the "other witnesses" weren't available to be interviewed by police until sometime in April because of this statement:

"Although police spoke to Nowsch on the day of the incident, they did not arrest him at that time. He denied any involvement and they did not find a knife. It was not until after police had interviewed the other witnesses that they decide to charge Nowsch."
Source: http://www.scrippsmedia.com/ktnv/ne...my-Meyers-facing-other-charges-298814741.html

If police had been able to interview the other alleged witnesses in Feb. or March, I think the knife charges would have been filed in Feb. or March. Since the knife charges weren't filed until April, I think the other witnesses didn't make themselves available to police until April.

Odd.

 

[SeeAlice]

Child Abuse, for realzzz? :crosseyed: The LVDA is really piling it on, isn't he! I think the LVDA must have strong doubts about getting a Murder1 conviction, and must be really desperate to get EN convicted of something. And DA is going for a speedy trial? This should be interesting. I wonder what would happen if EN decided he wanted a speedy trial? This case is such a :trainwreck:

Unless EN was "responsible for the welfare of the child," I don't see how that charge fits under Nevada statutes on child abuse/neglect.

FindLaw link posted earlier (obviously not read far enough, IMO, but greatly appreciated) has 3 elements:

1. Results in imminent risk or serious harm to a child's health and welfare due to physical, emotional, or sexual abuse;

2. affects a child (typically under the age of 18);

3. By a parent or caregiver responsible for the child's welfare.
http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/child-abuse-overview.html

Pretty much what Nevada statutes say, too.
https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-432B.html

JMO - Not a lawyer, just an inquisitive citizen

 

[SeeAlice]

I think the actual order of events was this:

Either Feb. 14 or Feb 15 the alleged knife incident allegedly happened. Police talked to EN about it, but the blind teenager, who may or may not have been wearing his glasses at the time of the alleged incident, was unable to identify EN in a lineup. The other 2 (or 3) alleged witnesses were not available to be interviewed at the time. (Why? I dunno.)

Some time later (maybe in April?), the other 2 (or 3) alleged witnesses to the alleged knife incident did identify EN (maybe in a lineup, I dunno), and he was charged.

I think the "other witnesses" weren't available to be interviewed by police until sometime in April because of this statement:

"Although police spoke to Nowsch on the day of the incident, they did not arrest him at that time. He denied any involvement and they did not find a knife. It was not until after police had interviewed the other witnesses that they decide to charge Nowsch."
Source: http://www.scrippsmedia.com/ktnv/ne...my-Meyers-facing-other-charges-298814741.html

If police had been able to interview the other alleged witnesses in Feb. or March, I think the knife charges would have been filed in Feb. or March. Since the knife charges weren't filed until April, I think the other witnesses didn't make themselves available to police until April.

Odd.

Because... They live in Southern California, perhaps?

JMO

 

[sonjay]

Some photos released:
http://www.fox5vegas.com/slideshow?widgetid=150952

 

[sonjay]

Based on the diagram in image 7, it looks like EN fired an initial shot when the car he was in was about halfway between Carmel Peak to the cul de sac. Give or take. Shells can eject in weird directions and he was in a moving car. But it's pretty clear he fired that shot earlier than the others. Then the others were fired from a spot where the car was apparently not all the way into the cul de sac itself. Weird pattern of shell casings there; I can't quite picture how the silver car was positioned while EN was firing those shots.

Also based on that diagram, and the the evidence markers in image 5, BM is apparently claiming that he was hiding behind the left rear area of the truck parked in the street, not the one parked in the driveway.

In BM's GJ testimony, he said he started running toward the house, and that as soon as "they" started shooting, he ran towards "this truck right here." He had to mean the one in the street. Stanton referred to it as a "pick up truck," but in his testimony BM said he was about where the yellow evidence markers are — and that's the left rear area of the truck in the street. Also, he said he turned to his left and saw his mom lying there -- where the truck is in the driveway, she would have been directly in front of him, not to his left. She could have been to his left only if he meant he was firing from the left rear of the truck in the street.

Unless he's got a really weird gun, or one modified to eject shells out the left side, there's no way he fired his 3 shots at EN from the left rear area of that truck. I can believe one shell ejecting funny or bouncing off the truck and landing in that area, but not all 3. IMO, JMO, MOO and all that jazz. I can make some educated guesses about where BM would have been standing when he fired his 3 shots.

So after running toward the house, and getting to within 20 feet of the front door, BM claims that he then turned and ran all the way out to the left rear of the truck in the street.

I don't think I believe BM's account of the shooting itself at all. It just doesn't work.

 

[PaperDoll]

Thanks Sonjay for finding this. Looks like the Buick didn't pull all the way in the driveway. I can't see the truck where BM claims he was behind.. From my view these pictures are dark, I will try to lighten them up to see if I can get a better view of things..

 

[PaperDoll]

Ok, I know see where the truck is :crazy:

 

[PaperDoll]

I'm surprised how close the Audi was to the Buick when the shots were being fired. I'm surprise EN didn't hit anyone else. I'm wondering when TM was actually shot, if she was the last one to be shot or in the middle of the shooting?????? Maybe she didn't hear any gun fire when she was getting out of the car and thought it was ok to get out. BM said he pushed his mom back in the car and closed the door.