GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #8

[SpanishInquisition]

If KM was inside, how was it physically possible for her to see TM be shot? I don't necessarily doubt that she witnessed it, just I don't see how she could have given the Meyers stated sequence of events.

 

[PaperDoll]

Whoa! I bow to your magical powers. :bowdown: Are you some kind of wizard?

LOL... not a wizard :crazy:

 

[SStarr33]

And the story changes yet again.

Someone pointed out on an earlier thread that BM couldn't claim they were just heading home when the Audi first shot at them, because they had passed the turn-off onto Cherry River when the Audi started shooting. If they were really heading home, and the Audi just happened to be in front of them, they would have turned onto Cherry River and gone on home.

But what they did was continue past Cherry River, stopped only when the Audi stopped. They were following the Audi. BM is lying.

Incorrect. Go back and listen to what Brandon said.

 

[SStarr33]

According to BM's statement to the police he and his mother followed the Audi at least 50 feet south of Cherry River on Villa Monterey. So correct, they were NOT heading home.

From the police report:


He goes on to say how his mother then had to back up in order to travel down Cherry River.

But now according to the latest interview, BM says his mother "turned down a wrong street" and there was the silver car. But, she didn't turn down a wrong street, she simply bypassed Cherry River in order to continue chasing the silver car.

The way the interviewer phrases the following is a bit eye-rolling. "How unlucky for you! Every street you turned down, the silver car was right in front of you." As if it was somehow the silver car's fault that TM was following it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/0...5F02612X-declaration-&-complaint_Redacted.pdf

The misstatements that are used to hurt this family are unreal.

The wrong turn was NOT where you are saying it was. Please stop.

 

[PaperDoll]

BM didn't say anything about a wrong turn in the original police report nor in his GJ testimony. This interview is the first I've ever heard BM mention the wrong turn as far as I know. Am I wrong about this? (Which really wasn't a wrong turn, they just went past their street as they were following the silver car).

Could this interview have been orchestrated by their attorney to help fill in the discrepancies of earlier testimony? The less it seems like TM was chasing after the Audi the better?

I agree.. I don't recall BM saying he made a wrong turn in any of the reports and now he does in this interview? This interview was a waste of time, IMO. I think the Meyers are trying way too hard to get the public off their backs, I don't blame them but they really need to NOT BE HEARD!!!! Most people I'm sure have forgotten about this (except us..lol). They gave us no answers, they didn't clear anything up and I'm surprised their lawyer would allow it, not that he could do anything to stop them, but still...

 

[SStarr33]

If KM was inside, how was it physically possible for her to see TM be shot? I don't necessarily doubt that she witnessed it, just I don't see how she could have given the Meyers stated sequence of events.

Maybe her house has windows? Maybe she was standing at the front door?

 

[PaperDoll]

According to BM's statement to the police he and his mother followed the Audi at least 50 feet south of Cherry River on Villa Monterey. So correct, they were NOT heading home.

From the police report:


He goes on to say how his mother then had to back up in order to travel down Cherry River.

But now according to the latest interview, BM says his mother "turned down a wrong street" and there was the silver car. But, she didn't turn down a wrong street, she simply bypassed Cherry River in order to continue chasing the silver car.

The way the interviewer phrases the following is a bit eye-rolling. "How unlucky for you! Every street you turned down, the silver car was right in front of you." As if it was somehow the silver car's fault that TM was following it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/0...5F02612X-declaration-&-complaint_Redacted.pdf

BBM: From what I got out of that part, BM said they turned down the wrong street and spotted the Audi, (another gray car) Erich was sitting on the right and she stopped and said that's them then the Audi took off. I think that was when they turned onto Darschume (SP?).

I also wonder if there was more to the interview that we are not seeing???

 

[SStarr33]

BM didn't say anything about a wrong turn in the original police report nor in his GJ testimony. This interview is the first I've ever heard BM mention the wrong turn as far as I know. Am I wrong about this? (Which really wasn't a wrong turn, they just went past their street as they were following the silver car).

Could this interview have been orchestrated by their attorney to help fill in the discrepancies of earlier testimony? The less it seems like TM was chasing after the Audi the better?

No, they were not behind the car at that point.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Maybe her house has windows? Maybe she was standing at the front door?

Yes, I've gone on StreetView and compared where the windows are to the pictures and the Buick was parallel if not in front of the windows plus the windows themselves are obscured by tree branches in that direction. Also the front door is blocked by a wall where any of the Buick from the front door and is recessed from where the front windows are. Just saying a house has windows and a front door, it doesn't mean those windows or door have 360 degree views able to see all things. So again, how is it physically possible for KM to have seen TM shot?

 

[SStarr33]

Yes, I've gone on StreetView and compared where the windows are to the pictures and the Buick was parallel if not in front of the windows plus the windows themselves are obscured by tree branches in that direction. Also the front door is blocked by a wall where any of the Buick from the front door and is recessed from where the front windows are. Just saying a house has windows and a front door, it doesn't mean those windows or door have 360 degree views able to see all things. So again, how is it physically possible for KM to have seen TM shot?

Where does Kristal say she was in her house?

ETA, And I just looked at the photos again and I think it is possible to see the car, not to mention that none of this matters.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Where does Kristal say she was in her house?

ETA, And I just looked at the photos again and I think it is possible to see the car, not to mention that none of this matters.

You really don't think having witnesses to shootings matters??? Right now we've only had BM and indirectly EN state what happened, but now there's supposedly another witness to the events plus this witness was present for both alleged events with the road rage and the shooting - this would make KM the key witness rather than BM given how she would have seen virtually everything and would have immediately been able to say whether or it was a different car or the same car as the alleged road rager. If there's another witness that actually huge rather than something to be dismissed and it's quite shocking none of her eyewitness evidence to the shooting was provided in either the original complaint or to the GJ nor was she asked by the DA anything about the car that arrived on Mt Shasta.

Actually KM would be the only Meyers witness to TM being shot as BM says he didn't see TM shot and the last he saw TM was when she was inside with the door closed and he didn't know what happened between then and him seeing her outside after she had already been shot.

 

[sonjay]

If KM was inside, how was it physically possible for her to see TM be shot? I don't necessarily doubt that she witnessed it, just I don't see how she could have given the Meyers stated sequence of events.

In her original story, when the road rager followed her and her home, she ran inside the house and then her mom got shot.

In her revised story, she ran inside to get her brother, who then went out hunting with TM. In the revised version, her story has always ended there. This is the first time, AFAIK, that it has been claimed that she actually saw her mother get shot. If she did, in fact, see her mother get shot, then either she was in the car with TM & BM when they went hunting for the road rager/silver car/EN/whoever, OR she was hanging around outside the house when they got back to the cul de sac, and saw it happen. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out in court.

 

[SStarr33]

You really don't think having witnesses to shootings matters??? Right now we've only had BM and indirectly EN state what happened, but now there's supposedly another witness to the events plus this witness was present for both alleged events with the road rage and the shooting - this would make KM the key witness rather than BM given how she would have seen virtually everything and would have immediately been able to say whether or it was a different car or the same car as the alleged road rager. If there's another witness that actually huge rather than something to be dismissed and it's quite shocking none of her eyewitness evidence to the shooting was provided in either the original complaint or to the GJ nor was she asked by the DA anything about the car that arrived on Mt Shasta.

Actually KM would be the only Meyers witness to TM being shot as BM says he didn't see TM shot and the last he saw TM was when she was inside with the door closed and he didn't know what happened between then and him seeing her outside after she had already been shot.

I've never heard Kristal say where she was during the shooting.

Also, Kristal thinks her car got hit in the road rage incident. She is obviously a mess from seeing her moms brains splattered on the road not to mention having to deal with what vile and despicable people have said to/about her.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

In her original story, when the road rager followed her and her home, she ran inside the house and then her mom got shot.

In her revised story, she ran inside to get her brother, who then went out hunting with TM. In the revised version, her story has always ended there. This is the first time, AFAIK, that it has been claimed that she actually saw her mother get shot. If she did, in fact, see her mother get shot, then either she was in the car with TM & BM when they went hunting for the road rager/silver car/EN/whoever, OR she was hanging around outside the house when they got back to the cul de sac, and saw it happen. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out in court.

Yes, that's what I'm driving at. I wonder if this is news to DA/LE or like the Meyers knowing EN if they're just finding this out now as the DA completely avoided any questions about what happened once KM is alleged to have arrived home and LE didn't include any of this in the complaint.

 

[sonjay]

You really don't think having witnesses to shootings matters??? Right now we've only had BM and indirectly EN state what happened, but now there's supposedly another witness to the events plus this witness was present for both alleged events with the road rage and the shooting - this would make KM the key witness rather than BM given how she would have seen virtually everything and would have immediately been able to say whether or it was a different car or the same car as the alleged road rager. If there's another witness that actually huge rather than something to be dismissed and it's quite shocking none of her eyewitness evidence to the shooting was provided in either the original complaint or to the GJ nor was she asked by the DA anything about the car that arrived on Mt Shasta.

Actually KM would be the only Meyers witness to TM being shot as BM says he didn't see TM shot and the last he saw TM was when she was inside with the door closed and he didn't know what happened between then and him seeing her outside after she had already been shot.

Yes, it'll matter a lot if KM claims to have actually seen her mother get shot. BM, in his GJ testimony, said that after the silver car started backing away, he looked over and saw his mother fall. So he did not see her get shot. KM will be a critically important witness. It's too bad her story is so full of holes.

 

[SStarr33]

Yes, that's what I'm driving at. I wonder if this is news to DA/LE or like the Meyers knowing EN if they're just finding this out now as the DA completely avoided any questions about what happened once KM is alleged to have arrived home and LE didn't include any of this in the complaint.

Please provide a link where Kristal says she saw her mom get shot.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I've never heard Kristal say where she was during the shooting.

Also, Kristal thinks her car got hit in the road rage incident. She is obviously a mess from seeing her moms brains splattered on the road not to mention having to deal with what vile and despicable people have said to/about her.

So why isn't KM being an eyewitness mentioned in the criminal complaint, the GJ testimony or any LE/DA press conference? Are you now saying she's not a credible witness for the prosecution because she's a mess? If she's a mess, how exactly is it good that she conducts voluntary media interviews?

 

[SStarr33]

So why isn't KM being an eyewitness mentioned in the criminal complaint, the GJ testimony or any LE/DA press conference? Are you now saying she's not a credible witness for the prosecution because she's a mess? If she's a mess, how exactly is it good that she conducts voluntary media interviews?

You were the one who said she was an eyewitness, not me. Her credibility is what it is. The GJ had no problem with her testimony and I don't think the jury will either.

And what did she say in the interview that was a problem?

 

[sonjay]

BBM: From what I got out of that part, BM said they turned down the wrong street and spotted the Audi, (another gray car) Erich was sitting on the right and she stopped and said that's them then the Audi took off. I think that was when they turned onto Darschume (SP?).

I also wonder if there was more to the interview that we are not seeing???

Let's look at what BM actually said. Interviewer questions are in double quotes:

I said let's go home she goes okay
Turned down the wrong street
another grey car
Erich was sitting on right
And she stopped - she goes 'that's them'
"She was wrong, though, right" She was wrong
"Did she say something to em?"
Nope, they pulled off
"You guys started heading home?" Yes
"And then they followed?" No, they were right in front of us
And they turned the same street where we had to go
Just by bad luck? Yeah
So when does the shooting begin
As soon as they booked it, going about 80-100 all the way down the street they turned
We were in the ... I don't know the name of the street, but the crossroads they started shooting at us


So BM/TM turned (this is the wrong turn), grey car was sitting there, BM/TM stopped. Grey car took off. Grey car turned onto the street where BM/TM had to go (to get home).

This matches (except for the wrong turn part), BM's story from the GJ. They were traveling south on Buffalo and turned on Ducharme (BM called it Starborn or Starboard in the GJ, but he meant Ducharme). Grey car was there (on Ducharme). They stopped (on Ducharme) behind the grey car. The grey car then left and turned south onto Villa Monterey. Grey car sped up heading south on Villa Monterey. BM/TM turned south on Villa Monterey and PASSED Cherry Road where they would have turned if they were going home. The silver car stopped at the end of V.M where it dead-ends on Alta. TM/BM also stopped on Villa Monterey. Grey car started shooting.

Clearly, the "wrong turn" BM is referring to is the turn from Buffalo onto Ducharme. However, that's not a wrong turn. From where they were, heading south on Buffalo, it would be the shortest route to go home. So, it's not a wrong turn.

Then, the grey car turned south onto Villa Monterey "going 80-100." If that's the case, then BM/TM also had to be going pretty darned fast at that point, or the grey car would have reached Alta and gotten away.

BM/TM were obviously following/chasing the grey car, or they would have turned west onto Cherry River. But instead, they continued south on Villa Monterey, pursuing the grey car. They stopped their pursuit only when the grey car stopped and shot at them.

They were not going home; they were chasing/following the grey car. Otherwise, they would have been on Cherry Road heading home, and they would not have been on Villa Monterey south of Cherry Road for the grey car to shoot at them.

It's too bad their story continues to be so full of holes.

 

[sonjay]

You really don't think having witnesses to shootings matters??? Right now we've only had BM and indirectly EN state what happened, but now there's supposedly another witness to the events plus this witness was present for both alleged events with the road rage and the shooting - this would make KM the key witness rather than BM given how she would have seen virtually everything and would have immediately been able to say whether or it was a different car or the same car as the alleged road rager. If there's another witness that actually huge rather than something to be dismissed and it's quite shocking none of her eyewitness evidence to the shooting was provided in either the original complaint or to the GJ nor was she asked by the DA anything about the car that arrived on Mt Shasta.

Actually KM would be the only Meyers witness to TM being shot as BM says he didn't see TM shot and the last he saw TM was when she was inside with the door closed and he didn't know what happened between then and him seeing her outside after she had already been shot.

To be completely accurate, I don't believe KM said that she saw her mother get shot.

RM said that his daughter saw her mother "go down."

Either RM continues to make up whatever he wants, or KM told him that she saw her mother "go down." But I don't think we have any words directly from KM to that effect.

If she did in fact see her mother "go down," it will come out in court. Where she was at the time, how and why she happened to be there, and exactly what she saw.