GUILTY NV - Tammy Meyers, 44, fatally shot at her Las Vegas home, 12 Feb 2015 - #8

[SpanishInquisition]

To be completely accurate, I don't believe KM said that she saw her mother get shot.

RM said that his daughter saw her mother "go down."

Either RM continues to make up whatever he wants, or KM told him that she saw her mother "go down." But I don't think we have any words directly from KM to that effect.

If she did in fact see her mother "go down," it will come out in court. Where she was at the time, how and why she happened to be there, and exactly what she saw.

The statements were done on behalf of the family with the coordination of the family lawyer and there being no retraction. To me this was yet another foolish interview/press conference where they would have been better to keep their mouths shut until after the trial was over. Saying she was an eyewitness to something that she didn't testify to and only BM did is just asking for trouble as this is the first time she is alleged to have been an eyewitness to anything related to the events around the shooting. This raises questions as to where she was, what she was doing and what she saw that she didn't testify to. If she only saw a portion of the events, from when did she begin to witness these events, from where ,etc...It's a can of worms. If RM is lying - particularly now in the presence of the family lawyer - that's not going to help.

 

[PaperDoll]

Let's look at what BM actually said. Interviewer questions are in double quotes:

I said let's go home she goes okay
Turned down the wrong street
another grey car
Erich was sitting on right
And she stopped - she goes 'that's them'
"She was wrong, though, right" She was wrong
"Did she say something to em?"
Nope, they pulled off
"You guys started heading home?" Yes
"And then they followed?" No, they were right in front of us
And they turned the same street where we had to go
Just by bad luck? Yeah
So when does the shooting begin
As soon as they booked it, going about 80-100 all the way down the street they turned
We were in the ... I don't know the name of the street, but the crossroads they started shooting at us


So BM/TM turned (this is the wrong turn), grey car was sitting there, BM/TM stopped. Grey car took off. Grey car turned onto the street where BM/TM had to go (to get home).

This matches (except for the wrong turn part), BM's story from the GJ. They were traveling south on Buffalo and turned on Ducharme (BM called it Starborn or Starboard in the GJ, but he meant Ducharme). Grey car was there (on Ducharme). They stopped (on Ducharme) behind the grey car. The grey car then left and turned south onto Villa Monterey. Grey car sped up heading south on Villa Monterey. BM/TM turned south on Villa Monterey and PASSED Cherry Road where they would have turned if they were going home. The silver car stopped at the end of V.M where it dead-ends on Alta. TM/BM also stopped on Villa Monterey. Grey car started shooting.

Clearly, the "wrong turn" BM is referring to is the turn from Buffalo onto Ducharme. However, that's not a wrong turn. From where they were, heading south on Buffalo, it would be the shortest route to go home. So, it's not a wrong turn.

Then, the grey car turned south onto Villa Monterey "going 80-100." If that's the case, then BM/TM also had to be going pretty darned fast at that point, or the grey car would have reached Alta and gotten away.

BM/TM were obviously following/chasing the grey car, or they would have turned west onto Cherry River. But instead, they continued south on Villa Monterey, pursuing the grey car. They stopped their pursuit only when the grey car stopped and shot at them.

They were not going home; they were chasing/following the grey car. Otherwise, they would have been on Cherry Road heading home, and they would not have been on Villa Monterey south of Cherry Road for the grey car to shoot at them.

It's too bad their story continues to be so full of holes.

BM wasn't clear in his interview, there were holes, IMO.. However, I was thinking the wrong turn was when they did go to Buffalo because IMO they could have went on Cimarron from Westcliff, that would have been shorter so not sure why they took Buffalo, could have been the wrong turn. Again, BM isn't clear on when the wrong turn happened, it's open to interpretation.

 

[sonjay]

BM wasn't clear in his interview, there were holes, IMO.. However, I was thinking the wrong turn was when they did go to Buffalo because IMO they could have went on Cimarron from Westcliff, that would have been shorter so not sure why they took Buffalo, could have been the wrong turn. Again, BM isn't clear on when the wrong turn happened, it's open to interpretation.

In his GJ testimony, BM was clear that when they turned FROM Buffalo onto the street whose name he can't remember is when they saw the grey car.

In this interview, he was clear that they made a turn (wrong turn) and saw the grey car.

It's very clear, to me, that he is referring to the turn from Buffalo onto Ducharme as the "wrong turn."

Of course we know that it wasn't a wrong turn, but really now..... This is their neighborhood, just a few blocks from their house, and right where TM was allegedly giving KM driving lessons just a few minutes earlier. TM did not make a "wrong turn" on her way home. That is just not believable.

 

[PaperDoll]

In his GJ testimony, BM was clear that when they turned FROM Buffalo onto the street whose name he can't remember is when they saw the grey car.

In this interview, he was clear that they made a turn (wrong turn) and saw the grey car.

It's very clear, to me, that he is referring to the turn from Buffalo onto Ducharme as the "wrong turn."

Of course we know that it wasn't a wrong turn, but really now..... This is their neighborhood, just a few blocks from their house, and right where TM was allegedly giving KM driving lessons just a few minutes earlier. TM did not make a "wrong turn" on her way home. That is just not believable.

BBM: I agree, that is the wrong turn he said in the interview. IMO, there was no need for him to say that and not sure why he would, it didn't add any value to the situation. There was nothing in that interview that added any value. RM early on was complaining about how the media is getting things wrong and yet here he is again placing himself in the media... The media is going to edit as they choose so IMO it's best the Meyers stay quiet.

One thing I guess we do know is Tammy didn't have drugs in her system if I heard that correctly.

 

[sonjay]

BBM: I agree, that is the wrong turn he said in the interview. IMO, there was no need for him to say that and not sure why he would, it didn't add any value to the situation. There was nothing in that interview that added any value. RM early on was complaining about how the media is getting things wrong and yet here he is again placing himself in the media... The media is going to edit as they choose so IMO it's best the Meyers stay quiet.

One thing I guess we do know is Tammy didn't have drugs in her system if I heard that correctly.

BBM. ITA.

The family not only failed to clarify anything, they introduced at least two new questions. The alleged "wrong turn" (which I don't believe for a minute), and the claim that KM saw her mother "go down." These are two new datapoints that have not previously been asserted. Both of them raise more questions than they answer. Neither of these claims does anything to exonerate BM & KM from their lies or to justify TM's decision to play vigilante and go hunt down the grey car.

 

[SStarr33]

BBM: I agree, that is the wrong turn he said in the interview. IMO, there was no need for him to say that and not sure why he would, it didn't add any value to the situation. There was nothing in that interview that added any value. RM early on was complaining about how the media is getting things wrong and yet here he is again placing himself in the media... The media is going to edit as they choose so IMO it's best the Meyers stay quiet.

One thing I guess we do know is Tammy didn't have drugs in her system if I heard that correctly.

The thing of value that I got out of it was the realization of why they did not call the police. Seeing what Brandon said in the interview about them being scared made me go back and re-read the warrant and I saw that Tammy and Kristal saw a car driving south on Carmel Peak that (they thought) was coming for them. If they would not have seen that car, I bet they would have gone in the house and been done with it.

And yeah, she wasn't on drugs. Go figure.

ETA, do we know if they took Buffalo? I thought there was another road there that could have taken them home.

 

[PaperDoll]

The thing of value that I got out of it was the realization of why they did not call the police. Seeing what Brandon said in the interview about them being scared made me go back and re-read the warrant and I saw that Tammy and Kristal saw a car driving south on Carmel Peak that (they thought) was coming for them. If they would not have seen that car, I bet they would have gone in the house and been done with it.

And yeah, she wasn't on drugs. Go figure.

ETA, do we know if they took Buffalo? I thought there was another road there that could have taken them home.

Yes, BM/TM took Buffalo to Darschme (sp???) and that is where they spotted the Audi

 

[PaperDoll]

When TM/BM did their driving, the shorter way to their home would have been Westcliff to Cimarron instead of Buffalo, but in all honestly, it's not that much shorter

 

[SStarr33]

When TM/BM did their driving, the shorter way to their home would have been Westcliff to Cimarron instead of Buffalo, but in all honestly, it's not that much shorter

You mean do a U turn?

 

[sonjay]

When TM/BM did their driving, the shorter way to their home would have been Westcliff to Cimarron instead of Buffalo, but in all honestly, it's not that much shorter

Well, that all depends on where they were heading home FROM. BM said in this interview that he said "Let's go home" and that TM agreed. If at that point they were ON Buffalo, or on Westcliff near Buffalo, Buffalo would have been faster.

IMO, the shortest way home would have been to stay there.

If they were so scared of the grey car coming to the house, why would they not have gone inside, called 911, and hunkered down with BM's gun at the ready? It doesn't make any sense to go off and leave an old woman and a young girl alone at the house and not even call 911.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

If they were so scared of the grey car coming to the house, why would they not have gone inside, called 911, and hunkered down with BM's gun at the ready? It doesn't make any sense to go off and leave an old woman and a young girl alone at the house and not even call 911.

Also there's been no explanation at all for why KM didn't call the police after she was allegedly left home. If the story is to be believed, she would have no way of knowing that the alleged road rager wouldn't come from some other direction after her mom and brother had left and then go right to their house. KM would have a particular interest in that the alleged threat was specifically against her and she allegedly specifically saw the car go by their street, so BM and TM driving off would have been a real strong motivation to call for LE to come to the house if the story is to be believed.

 

[sonjay]

One thing I guess we do know is Tammy didn't have drugs in her system if I heard that correctly.

When you delve into the details behind these types of things, you learn that it's not always as cut and dried as what we think.

http://www.fda.gov/MedicalDevices/P...roDiagnostics/DrugsofAbuseTests/ucm125722.htm

This is a document by the FDA - scroll about 2/3 down to the section that a chart indicating how long various drugs are detectable in the system. Most of them are 1-2 days, 2-3 days, 2-4 days.

http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1996831,00.html

This one from Time.com is interesting. It's about the technology behind determining a drug overdose death. This article says that detectable levels of drugs vary based on a variety of different factors. I found this line particularly interesting;

The researchers found that some bodies had no detectable levels of the drug at the first measurement but showed significant levels at the second — and that these levels varied widely depending on which part of the body was sampled. Since it is not always clear when exactly a person died, or how long redistribution takes, the variance could make a therapeutic level of a drug appear toxic, or vice versa.

We don't know when TM's tox tests were run. She was shot on a Thursday, died that Saturday. Were the tox tests done before her death? After her death? Did they test blood or urine? Apparently those things can make a big difference in whether and for how long certain drugs are detectable.

I'm not saying TM was a drug user. I'm only pointing out that the Meyers family attorney saying the tox report showed no drug usage is not, in itself, particularly good evidence that there was no drug usage. The details behind the tox report need to be examined to determine how reliable the testing was.

 

[PaperDoll]

You mean do a U turn?

Not sure what you mean Gosh I hate to go back and reread the GJ Statement, but I thought they took Durango to Westcliff, am I wrong??? I know Durango was one of the streets that was taken, maybe it was during the driving lesson with KM and TM.. But if TM/BM took Cimarron to Westcliff, you are correct, they would have had to U-turn and that wouldn't make much sense. :crazy:

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Clearly, the "wrong turn" BM is referring to is the turn from Buffalo onto Ducharme. However, that's not a wrong turn. From where they were, heading south on Buffalo, it would be the shortest route to go home. So, it's not a wrong turn.

It seems hard to believe that TM wouldn't know the difference between Ducharme and Alta. I don't think any wrong turns were taken. Also AFAIK this is the first time that the Meyers asserted that BM was anything other than a passive passenger in the car. I'd also want to know if BM called his sister to see if she was safe given how that they hadn't found the car and BM wanted to head home. It seems very strange to just abandon his sister if there's a threat on her life and the car knows where they live to then just up and leave her unprotected.

 

[PaperDoll]

Well, that all depends on where they were heading home FROM. BM said in this interview that he said "Let's go home" and that TM agreed. If at that point they were ON Buffalo, or on Westcliff near Buffalo, Buffalo would have been faster.

IMO, the shortest way home would have been to stay there.

If they were so scared of the grey car coming to the house, why would they not have gone inside, called 911, and hunkered down with BM's gun at the ready? It doesn't make any sense to go off and leave an old woman and a young girl alone at the house and not even call 911.

I agree with you there, I never thought it was a good idea for TM to go out looking for the road rager guy.. They should have called 911 to report it. I'm sorry TM lost her life and I feel for the family, I really do. We only have BM and KM's testimony since TM isn't alive to give her reasons on what happened.

 

[Cobra Jet]

Does anyone else wonder if KM had texted anybody when TM & BM went back out and if so, what are in the text messages?

 

[JaimeInLA]

I saw that article and ran over here. I knew you all would be all over it!

My comment, which I also left on the channel 8 website:

Wait, WHAT? So TWO separate cars were after the Meyers that night? Both the one they got in the altercation with and the car Nowsch was in? And why would he shoot her if his wasn't the car that got in the initial confrontation?! That makes NO sense. They Meyers kids are lying to save their own butts. I'm not sure what they did or who they are protecting, but they look almost just as guilty in all this as Nowsch. TELL THE FREAKING TRUTH ALREADY!!

 

[SStarr33]

I saw that article and ran over here. I knew you all would be all over it!

My comment, which I also left on the channel 8 website:

Wait, WHAT? So TWO separate cars were after the Meyers that night? Both the one they got in the altercation with and the car Nowsch was in? And why would he shoot her if his wasn't the car that got in the initial confrontation?! That makes NO sense. They Meyers kids are lying to save their own butts. I'm not sure what they did or who they are protecting, but they look almost just as guilty in all this as Nowsch. TELL THE FREAKING TRUTH ALREADY!!

So you are saying that law enforcement are liars?

 

[JaimeInLA]

So you are saying that law enforcement are liars?

Huh? Law enforcement? The interview was WITH THE MEYERS KIDS, not law enforcement. The kids said one thing to the grand jury & another to the media. WHY?!

 

[SStarr33]

Huh? Law enforcement? The interview was WITH THE MEYERS KIDS, not law enforcement. The kids said one thing to the grand jury & another to the media. WHY?!

LE are the ones who announced there were two cars.